Pretty sure we get Urza as the non green legendary creature. Maro has recently confirmed they have been using supplemental products to print characters that are established but do not have cards at this time. People have been clamoring for an Urza card for decades, and it's pretty much now or never.
Isn't Urza too powerful to be on a card? I know they made Freyalise and Teferi planeswalkers, but I feel like Urza is a whole other league.
Urza already was on a card. Blind Seer was Urza in disguise.
Isn't Urza too powerful to be on a card? I know they made Freyalise and Teferi planeswalkers, but I feel like Urza is a whole other league.
Urza has the misfortune of displayed as such in the story but I feel that time and time and again Oldwalker cards can be made using story as leverage (Ajani's card for example could've been a perfect Serra Planeswalker card...), specially with Urza.
Besides, one PW card does not equal to a walkers full capability, like what the Neowalkers have shown us.
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As far as I'm concerned, if Teferi and Nicol Bolas can be printed as cards then Urza can to.
What would an Urza card look like?
Pure sunlight. For the owner
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Urza
Legendary Creature - Human Artificier
Whenever you cast an artifact spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile an artifact spell that costs less. Put that exiled artifact card into play tapped. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.
4/4
Basically the opposite of mishra.
I'm hoping that there are at least 2-3 4cmc commanders be them creatures/enchantments/Planeswalkers. Just so I'm not forced into running one for my angel deck.
The ultimate troll move would be to have the secondary generals of these decks be PWs (the trolliest thing could be various versions of Urza).
Why would planeswalker commanders be trolly? I among others expect and want it. While I understand that some people don't like them because they aren't creatures they still represent something that can be considered a general. I don't believe it will lead to a Sol ring commander. I do think that it would be strange to have 4 different Urza's in the WUBR deck.
Urza
Legendary Creature - Human Artificier
Whenever you cast an artifact spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile an artifact spell that costs less. Put that exiled artifact card into play tapped. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.
4/4
Basically the opposite of mishra.
I'm hoping that there are at least 2-3 4cmc commanders be them creatures/enchantments/Planeswalkers. Just so I'm not forced into running one for my angel deck.
I doubt they would make Urza a creature when he is a PW.
Urza in his pre-walker days would be so sweet as commander
Yes i can see him have B because he wants to beat Phyrexia at any costs, something very black does, going to extremes, sacrificing anything to achive his goals.
Only Time I ever heard of urza using B was when he was on Phyrexia and went mad. He never really used it much outside that. Compared to white and red which he wielded quite often. Urza did have the ability to use any colour of mana with the help of his gadgets i.e. sunglasses.
Urza was known to be quite intellectual (U) and wanted to help people (W) but many people thought of him as insane or irrational (Barin included). He's very UR if anything.
Also Urza does have a vanguard card for those interested to see how he is depicted as a general.
I'm seriously hoping we get to see at least a commander from each deck tomorrow. That would be nice. Or one of each that shows a new style/mechanic.
I can't agree with him not being black.
First, there are black cards named Urza's....
Second, he is a very selfish character.
Third, like his brother, he is an excavator, which is also black.
His black nature precedes his white nature and was very present in the brother's war and before, not only during the phyrexian episodes. Only after his white nature appeared with his atonement.
I've got to say, that while I agree he has black in him, I disagree with the rest of your post. He was most certainly NOT black during the Brother's War, he was very, very inflexibly stodgily white. He was trying to end the war on peaceful terms when his boss double crossed Mishra's boss without consulting Urza, and was most concerned with preserving order as best he could. Mishra was a conqueror, Urza was the bulwark that the preexisting powers employed against him. Urza was content to marry a warlord's daughter for the grant money and spend the rest of his days tinkering, until Mishra brought an army to his doorstep. Throughout the book, Urza was always content to maintain a defensive posture whenever possible. His strategy was the antithesis of black. His faults arose from stubbornness and the belief that he was on the morally right side, namely that defending the preexisting order against his marauding and destructive brother was the moral stance. Given what Mishra was willing to throw at him and the "civilized" nations of Terisiare, any character would have had to resort to the same measures Urza did to stand against Mishra, regardless of color alignment, and white is perfectly fine with diverting all resources to the military in the service of a "just" cause. White, along with Green, is the most stubborn color, the most likely to dig in its heels and stand on principle even when it is more expedient to compromise. Urza could have sought to negotiate a surrender to Mishra under which the kingdoms he was defending retained their autonomy and merely paid tribute, at least prior to Phyrexian infiltration. Black would have done so to combine forces with Mishra with the intent of usurping him and ruling a united empire, as a black character would be confident in their ability to do so. Urza's white values drove him to continue the fight when other options existed, and he conducted the war in a terribly white manner. He preferred massed armies, traditional engagements, alliances, and while he managed to end up as supreme allied commander, he still respected the preexisting monarchies and vested interests, allowing them to continue in power. Mishra fought as a black character. He preferred subterfuge, blitz attacks on soft targets, dominating territory rather than forming alliances, and he consolidated all power in his territory under his person, his rule based entirely on the power of his person without the backing of formal laws.
After the war, however, he definitely went black, in the sense that the entire focus of the rest of his life was taking revenge on Phyrexia. Early, it was recklessness, followed by madness, and at the very end on Phyrexia the madness returned and the black part dominated. Throughout his existence as a walker he had some black characteristics though, but was not black mana aligned. That single minded focus never left him, but his tunnel vision did allowing him to develop a multi pronged long term strategy that relied mostly on his blue tendencies. His trip to Serra's realm illustrates his lack of black mana alignment as they had devices which detected black mana while healing the subject. Urza was able to use it with no trace of black mana being found. Its important to remember that while personality traits are color aligned, possessing those traits to some degree does not make the character that color. Generally speaking, most characters will have traits spanning all five colors, and their mana alignment is a function of A) what color spells they use and B) what personality traits are both core to their personality and particularly salient, essentially the defining traits. Chandra, for instance, is mono red, but she has a sense of justice, has sought out power, spent a rather long character arc meditating and learning about herself, chose inaction for a long period of time, all traits associated with other colors, but these traits were all serving her core characteristics which are Red. Urza's black traits, with the exception of the very end on Phyrexia, were in service of his red and white traits, namely his love for his brother and need for revenge (red) and his sense of justice and belief that Phyrexia is an abomination that he had a moral duty to destroy (white).
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Why Urza as a legend? Each deck should have a 4-color legendary and a Planeswalker IMO. With the Planeswalker being any combination of colors in the General's identity, and the Urza-colors deck has him as a 4-color walker in the 99.
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Here in Italy (CEST time zone) the Mothership usually is updated around 5 PM. I hope some other site around the world is getting some early spoilers! I've waited way too long!
I'm surprised there was no slip ups this year... very tight in terms of having no leaks. At least last year there was a slight slip with the Boros general. I hope we get a good preview and not some whack preview... of a preview.
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I'm surprised there was no slip ups this year... very tight in terms of having no leaks. At least last year there was a slight slip with the Boros general. I hope we get a good preview and not some whack preview... of a preview.
I was under the impression that Asia being ahead in the time zone, selected vendors would get (and reveal) news earlier.
I'm surprised there was no slip ups this year... very tight in terms of having no leaks. At least last year there was a slight slip with the Boros general. I hope we get a good preview and not some whack preview... of a preview.
I was under the impression that Asia being ahead in the time zone, selected vendors would get (and reveal) news earlier.
I'm surprised there was no slip ups this year... very tight in terms of having no leaks. At least last year there was a slight slip with the Boros general. I hope we get a good preview and not some whack preview... of a preview.
I was under the impression that Asia being ahead in the time zone, selected vendors would get (and reveal) news earlier.
I'm surprised there was no slip ups this year... very tight in terms of having no leaks. At least last year there was a slight slip with the Boros general. I hope we get a good preview and not some whack preview... of a preview.
I was under the impression that Asia being ahead in the time zone, selected vendors would get (and reveal) news earlier.
Urza already was on a card. Blind Seer was Urza in disguise.
Urza has the misfortune of displayed as such in the story but I feel that time and time and again Oldwalker cards can be made using story as leverage (Ajani's card for example could've been a perfect Serra Planeswalker card...), specially with Urza.
Besides, one PW card does not equal to a walkers full capability, like what the Neowalkers have shown us.
Serra Stan - Angel Enthusiast - Garruk and Tyvar thirsty follower - Flavor and Art Enthusiast
What would an Urza card look like?
UBRKess, Dissident MageUBR - Controlling Dissidents
GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
Pure sunlight. For the owner
A giant black swirling darkness for your opponents
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
No B?
Why would planeswalker commanders be trolly? I among others expect and want it. While I understand that some people don't like them because they aren't creatures they still represent something that can be considered a general. I don't believe it will lead to a Sol ring commander. I do think that it would be strange to have 4 different Urza's in the WUBR deck.
I doubt they would make Urza a creature when he is a PW.
Yes i can see him have B because he wants to beat Phyrexia at any costs, something very black does, going to extremes, sacrificing anything to achive his goals.
I've got to say, that while I agree he has black in him, I disagree with the rest of your post. He was most certainly NOT black during the Brother's War, he was very, very inflexibly stodgily white. He was trying to end the war on peaceful terms when his boss double crossed Mishra's boss without consulting Urza, and was most concerned with preserving order as best he could. Mishra was a conqueror, Urza was the bulwark that the preexisting powers employed against him. Urza was content to marry a warlord's daughter for the grant money and spend the rest of his days tinkering, until Mishra brought an army to his doorstep. Throughout the book, Urza was always content to maintain a defensive posture whenever possible. His strategy was the antithesis of black. His faults arose from stubbornness and the belief that he was on the morally right side, namely that defending the preexisting order against his marauding and destructive brother was the moral stance. Given what Mishra was willing to throw at him and the "civilized" nations of Terisiare, any character would have had to resort to the same measures Urza did to stand against Mishra, regardless of color alignment, and white is perfectly fine with diverting all resources to the military in the service of a "just" cause. White, along with Green, is the most stubborn color, the most likely to dig in its heels and stand on principle even when it is more expedient to compromise. Urza could have sought to negotiate a surrender to Mishra under which the kingdoms he was defending retained their autonomy and merely paid tribute, at least prior to Phyrexian infiltration. Black would have done so to combine forces with Mishra with the intent of usurping him and ruling a united empire, as a black character would be confident in their ability to do so. Urza's white values drove him to continue the fight when other options existed, and he conducted the war in a terribly white manner. He preferred massed armies, traditional engagements, alliances, and while he managed to end up as supreme allied commander, he still respected the preexisting monarchies and vested interests, allowing them to continue in power. Mishra fought as a black character. He preferred subterfuge, blitz attacks on soft targets, dominating territory rather than forming alliances, and he consolidated all power in his territory under his person, his rule based entirely on the power of his person without the backing of formal laws.
After the war, however, he definitely went black, in the sense that the entire focus of the rest of his life was taking revenge on Phyrexia. Early, it was recklessness, followed by madness, and at the very end on Phyrexia the madness returned and the black part dominated. Throughout his existence as a walker he had some black characteristics though, but was not black mana aligned. That single minded focus never left him, but his tunnel vision did allowing him to develop a multi pronged long term strategy that relied mostly on his blue tendencies. His trip to Serra's realm illustrates his lack of black mana alignment as they had devices which detected black mana while healing the subject. Urza was able to use it with no trace of black mana being found. Its important to remember that while personality traits are color aligned, possessing those traits to some degree does not make the character that color. Generally speaking, most characters will have traits spanning all five colors, and their mana alignment is a function of A) what color spells they use and B) what personality traits are both core to their personality and particularly salient, essentially the defining traits. Chandra, for instance, is mono red, but she has a sense of justice, has sought out power, spent a rather long character arc meditating and learning about herself, chose inaction for a long period of time, all traits associated with other colors, but these traits were all serving her core characteristics which are Red. Urza's black traits, with the exception of the very end on Phyrexia, were in service of his red and white traits, namely his love for his brother and need for revenge (red) and his sense of justice and belief that Phyrexia is an abomination that he had a moral duty to destroy (white).
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
In just a few hours.
I'm thinking of heading to bed early to shorten the wait.
This site has been too dead for too long.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Indeed. Sorry for interrupting the Urza trend, I'm entirely guilty for it.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I expect the spoilers to start in the morning but US time. So afternoon in Europe..
9 hours from now is the standard for the mothership. (When this comment is posted) It used to update 11 hours earlier, but that was years ago.
3pm UTC, for those curious.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
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I was under the impression that Asia being ahead in the time zone, selected vendors would get (and reveal) news earlier.
The official site did put Nephilim on the page.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Link? I didn't find any Nephilim on their page.
As their card of the day, nothing new. DUNE-BROOD NEPHILIM
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
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Awww...
I really hope the previews will be worth it, because I am really starting to be not happy about this...