It also can't happen because the Reserved List prevents functional reprints.
I think many would consider a dual land that can only be used in commander to not be a functional reprint. It won't reduce the original's value for most formats.
Exotic Orchard and Fellwar Stone are must-includes. Each deck will be running 75% of another deck's colors, after all.
Say, maybe they'll include a mana rock that taps for two mana of your commander's colors? Though the filterland I proposed would probably go over a little better.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I think it would be pretty obvious to most people that this is a weaselly way for Wizards to make functional reprints of cards that they said they wouldn't make functional reprints of. They'd be creating a new kind of card restriction just so they could say that restriction is the difference between the old and new versions.
That's not even getting into the issues with vintage/legacy legality, where precon cards are playable by default. If the new ones are only commander playable, are vintage players cool with having cards banned in their format? Are legacy players happy playing with the old duals that now only exist to be more expensive than the new versions?
It also can't happen because the Reserved List prevents functional reprints.
Would a dual land that ETBT unless your Commander is in play be considered a functional reprint? I am thinking not. Wizards, please print this! I want dual lands that are as pretty as the shocks!
It also can't happen because the Reserved List prevents functional reprints.
According to MaRo Types and Supertypes don't beat the resserved list, so no Snow or Legendary duals ever. But any rules text in the box does, and so we have Shocks and Battlelands.
"Land - Plains Island. This enters the battlefield tapped unless it it can produce mana that shares a color with your commander's color identity" and "Land. This has all basic land types that produce a color on your commander's color identity." are viable.
If you were going to try that, I'd go with "This land enters the battlefield tapped unless you have a commander."
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
"This land enters the battlefield tapped unless there is a card in your command zone" allows vintage and legacy to use them if they have an emblem, experience counter or poison counter, which would be fun.
"This land enters the battlefield tapped unless there is a card in your command zone" allows vintage and legacy to use them if they have an emblem, experience counter or poison counter, which would be fun.
"This land enters the battlefield tapped unless there is a card in your command zone" allows vintage and legacy to use them if they have an emblem, experience counter or poison counter, which would be fun.
This wouldn't work like that - emblems and counters aren't cards, disregard of what you use to represent them. More than that, counters even aren't objects themselves, they are just markers placed on object or player.
"This land enters the battlefield tapped unless there is a card in your command zone" allows vintage and legacy to use them if they have an emblem, experience counter or poison counter, which would be fun.
I'd rather they just put Prismatic Lantern and/or Reflecting Pool in all, if not most, of the decks. That with Command Tower and Commander's Sphere, plus something like Mirrodin's Core/Krosan Verge in the decks it can be used it, will suffice for a good part. In the case of right out of the box and playing against each other, Exotic Orchard wouldn't be a terrible thing either as you would most likely get two or three colors out of it. Of course a lot of those cards would have to be uncommon to be in most or all of them, but with there being 10-20 new legendary creatures there isn't much room for much else if we are also including a cycle of lands that do some combination of three to four colors.
Mirrodin's Core will probably appear in all five since it's an uncommon that can tap for any color. Although, how many "any color" sources can they include without making the decks feel too similar?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I wonder how many actual new 4 color cards they will make per deck. We should get two legends, but would we get commands or charms? Would "nephilim charms" actually fit on card with the new bullet point template?
I wouldn't hold your breath-
in five years of this product they have given us a grand total of zero new gold cards outside of the commanders.
I was certain last year that would change, but alas.
Also, how would a four color charm work?
Commands could be feasible, but charms would be awkward without adding a fourth option.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Last year was hardly new ground. Enemy color is well explored territory, and comes up enough that keeping Enemy Commands open for Standard is fine.
Four color needs to fit both the lore of a set and the mechanics of a set, so putting them into an Aux product is likely, but I wouldn't call it a sure thing. Better shot anyway.
I wouldn't hold your breath-
in five years of this product they have given us a grand total of zero new gold cards outside of the commanders.
I was certain last year that would change, but alas.
Also, how would a four color charm work?
Commands could be feasible, but charms would be awkward without adding a fourth option.
That's true about new gold cards. I suppose that is to give players more options to put new cards in decks, but I doubt they will ever do 4 color cards in a standard set again. This would be the place to do it. The problem is that the cards would pretty much be limited to one deck or the 5 color goodstuff deck.
And the charm would he hard to do. Maybe it could be choose one - WU effect, UR effect, RG effect. A fourth option wouldn't really be a proper "charm" anyway.
I'd rather they just put Prismatic Lantern and/or Reflecting Pool in all, if not most, of the decks. That with Command Tower and Commander's Sphere, plus something like Mirrodin's Core/Krosan Verge in the decks it can be used it, will suffice for a good part. In the case of right out of the box and playing against each other, Exotic Orchard wouldn't be a terrible thing either as you would most likely get two or three colors out of it. Of course a lot of those cards would have to be uncommon to be in most or all of them, but with there being 10-20 new legendary creatures there isn't much room for much else if we are also including a cycle of lands that do some combination of three to four colors.
remember that any card that is put in all decks must be common in accordance to their rules. So I really doubt there will be the same efficient mana fixing cards found in all decks. The best I think we can expect are cards like transguild promenade and rupture spire in addition to trilands and vivids of the appropriate colors for each deck.
remember that any card that is put in all decks must be common in accordance to their rules. So I really doubt there will be the same efficient mana fixing cards found in all decks. The best I think we can expect are cards like transguild promenade and rupture spire in addition to trilands and vivids of the appropriate colors for each deck.
Only new cards are common. Are you suggesting that they couldn't put reflecting pool in every deck? Sol Ring stayed uncommon and is in every deck.
It also can't happen because the Reserved List prevents functional reprints.
Would a dual land that ETBT unless your Commander is in play be considered a functional reprint? I am thinking not. Wizards, please print this! I want dual lands that are as pretty as the shocks!
This wouldn't be a very good land. Usually you want to get the lands to play your commander.
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remember that any card that is put in all decks must be common in accordance to their rules. So I really doubt there will be the same efficient mana fixing cards found in all decks. The best I think we can expect are cards like transguild promenade and rupture spire in addition to trilands and vivids of the appropriate colors for each deck.
Only new cards are common. Are you suggesting that they couldn't put reflecting pool in every deck? Sol Ring stayed uncommon and is in every deck.
That's the way precon rarity works. Commons appear in every deck rares and mythics in only one deck each. They won't be reprinting an individual rare that appears in each deck. They could reprint reflecting pool but it won't show up in each deck. These precons will have inefficient cheap mana bases balanced to play against each other, nothing more.
That's the way precon rarity works. Commons appear in every deck rares and mythics in only one deck each. They won't be reprinting an individual rare that appears in each deck. They could reprint reflecting pool but it won't show up in each deck. These precons will have inefficient cheap mana bases balanced to play against each other, nothing more.
Precon rarity is generally based on the most recent printing, unless they promote it, like in Duel Deck face cards. It has no effect on whether they put a rare in one or more decks or an uncommon in all the decks (like sol ring). Only the rarity of new cards is based on how frequently a card appears in each deck. Just for variety's sake, I doubt they will stuff duplicate rares in each deck, but it's possible they will put a rare mana rock or land in each deck. If they did that they can keep it at rare just fine.
I don't expect crazy mana bases, the decks just need to play well against each other. At the same time, 4 colors is harder to get out than the 3 color decks they have made before. There certainly is room for them to do something they haven't done before. There really isn't much difference in putting a new common land or mana rock in each deck and reprinting a solid rare that people can always use for any muti-colored deck.
Mirrodin's Core will probably appear in all five since it's an uncommon that can tap for any color. Although, how many "any color" sources can they include without making the decks feel too similar?
Should sharing a handful of non-basic lands/mana sources be a concern? It's not like the decks would be similar in any other way. And pretty much every multicolor EDH deck has a bunch of the same mana sources, since a small number of them are objectively the best.
I imagine they'll reprint the five ally colored signets as well, and include them in the decks. manalith is another rock they could easily include; or Darksteel Ingot.
Mana Crypt
Restricted in Vintage (Type 1)
Banned in Legacy (Type 1.5)
Restricted in Classic (MTGO)
Legal in Commander
Sol Ring
Restricted in Vintage (Type 1)
Banned in Legacy (Type 1.5)
Restricted in Classic (MTGO)
Legal in Commander
One costs 1 mana and has no drawbacks, reprinted to hell in every Commander product. $2
One costs 0 mana and has plausible 3 damage before you can really do much about it. Was released as a redemption promo from a book and a s a Judge promo. Finally reprinted at Mythic in a limited product that costs $10+ per pack. $100+
Mana Crypt, by definition, should not be banned. Sol Ring is the broken one. Just cause it has been devalued by reprints doesn't mean it is balanced. A drawback in life, is a real threat and a fair trade off for the boost in mana. EDh rules committee wants the game to be affordable ish, and not broken, while allowing people to play their entire collection. This is one of those cards that is hard to play in any format that fits so well in EDH.
But all the guys with one will now have 2 sol ringsss! Yeah, and anyone playing elves is going to have 10+ green mana before I take my third turn without Sol Rings, your point?
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That's the way precon rarity works. Commons appear in every deck rares and mythics in only one deck each. They won't be reprinting an individual rare that appears in each deck. They could reprint reflecting pool but it won't show up in each deck. These precons will have inefficient cheap mana bases balanced to play against each other, nothing more.
That ONLY applies to new cards. Steel Hellkite was in two decks the same year and remained rare, Sol Ring has been in all decks, and remained Uncommon, likewise Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots have each had a showing in all five decks, and remained uncommon.
I think that this is a prime opportunity to expand Krosan Verge into a cycle. Each could appear in three decks, and it would be inappropriate to make such a cycle in a standard set due to the color bending for the nongreen portions.
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I think many would consider a dual land that can only be used in commander to not be a functional reprint. It won't reduce the original's value for most formats.
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Say, maybe they'll include a mana rock that taps for two mana of your commander's colors? Though the filterland I proposed would probably go over a little better.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I think it would be pretty obvious to most people that this is a weaselly way for Wizards to make functional reprints of cards that they said they wouldn't make functional reprints of. They'd be creating a new kind of card restriction just so they could say that restriction is the difference between the old and new versions.
That's not even getting into the issues with vintage/legacy legality, where precon cards are playable by default. If the new ones are only commander playable, are vintage players cool with having cards banned in their format? Are legacy players happy playing with the old duals that now only exist to be more expensive than the new versions?
Commander:
R Daretti, Scrap Savant
BR Olivia Voldaren
BRG Shattergang Brothers
GUR Riku of Two Reflections
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
Would a dual land that ETBT unless your Commander is in play be considered a functional reprint? I am thinking not. Wizards, please print this! I want dual lands that are as pretty as the shocks!
According to MaRo Types and Supertypes don't beat the resserved list, so no Snow or Legendary duals ever. But any rules text in the box does, and so we have Shocks and Battlelands.
"Land - Plains Island. This enters the battlefield tapped unless it it can produce mana that shares a color with your commander's color identity" and "Land. This has all basic land types that produce a color on your commander's color identity." are viable.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
None of those things you mentioned are cards.
This wouldn't work like that - emblems and counters aren't cards, disregard of what you use to represent them. More than that, counters even aren't objects themselves, they are just markers placed on object or player.
I'd rather they just put Prismatic Lantern and/or Reflecting Pool in all, if not most, of the decks. That with Command Tower and Commander's Sphere, plus something like Mirrodin's Core/Krosan Verge in the decks it can be used it, will suffice for a good part. In the case of right out of the box and playing against each other, Exotic Orchard wouldn't be a terrible thing either as you would most likely get two or three colors out of it. Of course a lot of those cards would have to be uncommon to be in most or all of them, but with there being 10-20 new legendary creatures there isn't much room for much else if we are also including a cycle of lands that do some combination of three to four colors.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I wouldn't hold your breath-
in five years of this product they have given us a grand total of zero new gold cards outside of the commanders.
I was certain last year that would change, but alas.
Also, how would a four color charm work?
Commands could be feasible, but charms would be awkward without adding a fourth option.
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Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Four color needs to fit both the lore of a set and the mechanics of a set, so putting them into an Aux product is likely, but I wouldn't call it a sure thing. Better shot anyway.
That's true about new gold cards. I suppose that is to give players more options to put new cards in decks, but I doubt they will ever do 4 color cards in a standard set again. This would be the place to do it. The problem is that the cards would pretty much be limited to one deck or the 5 color goodstuff deck.
And the charm would he hard to do. Maybe it could be choose one - WU effect, UR effect, RG effect. A fourth option wouldn't really be a proper "charm" anyway.
Only new cards are common. Are you suggesting that they couldn't put reflecting pool in every deck? Sol Ring stayed uncommon and is in every deck.
This wouldn't be a very good land. Usually you want to get the lands to play your commander.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
Precon rarity is generally based on the most recent printing, unless they promote it, like in Duel Deck face cards. It has no effect on whether they put a rare in one or more decks or an uncommon in all the decks (like sol ring). Only the rarity of new cards is based on how frequently a card appears in each deck. Just for variety's sake, I doubt they will stuff duplicate rares in each deck, but it's possible they will put a rare mana rock or land in each deck. If they did that they can keep it at rare just fine.
I don't expect crazy mana bases, the decks just need to play well against each other. At the same time, 4 colors is harder to get out than the 3 color decks they have made before. There certainly is room for them to do something they haven't done before. There really isn't much difference in putting a new common land or mana rock in each deck and reprinting a solid rare that people can always use for any muti-colored deck.
Should sharing a handful of non-basic lands/mana sources be a concern? It's not like the decks would be similar in any other way. And pretty much every multicolor EDH deck has a bunch of the same mana sources, since a small number of them are objectively the best.
Dunes of Zairo
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Restricted in Vintage (Type 1)
Banned in Legacy (Type 1.5)
Restricted in Classic (MTGO)
Legal in Commander
Sol Ring
Restricted in Vintage (Type 1)
Banned in Legacy (Type 1.5)
Restricted in Classic (MTGO)
Legal in Commander
One costs 1 mana and has no drawbacks, reprinted to hell in every Commander product. $2
One costs 0 mana and has plausible 3 damage before you can really do much about it. Was released as a redemption promo from a book and a s a Judge promo. Finally reprinted at Mythic in a limited product that costs $10+ per pack. $100+
Mana Crypt, by definition, should not be banned. Sol Ring is the broken one. Just cause it has been devalued by reprints doesn't mean it is balanced. A drawback in life, is a real threat and a fair trade off for the boost in mana. EDh rules committee wants the game to be affordable ish, and not broken, while allowing people to play their entire collection. This is one of those cards that is hard to play in any format that fits so well in EDH.
But all the guys with one will now have 2 sol ringsss! Yeah, and anyone playing elves is going to have 10+ green mana before I take my third turn without Sol Rings, your point?
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That ONLY applies to new cards. Steel Hellkite was in two decks the same year and remained rare, Sol Ring has been in all decks, and remained Uncommon, likewise Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots have each had a showing in all five decks, and remained uncommon.
I think that this is a prime opportunity to expand Krosan Verge into a cycle. Each could appear in three decks, and it would be inappropriate to make such a cycle in a standard set due to the color bending for the nongreen portions.