Modern isn't going the way of Legacy, they CAN'T support Legacy while they ARE supporting Modern. The protour was bad for Modern and Modern was bad for the protour. Most people that care about the format are glad its being taken off. Most of the people complaining just like complaining which is why it is done here and not in the Modern specific forum.
It sucks that you can't get product where you are but it has little relevance to this discussion and it more something to take up with Wizards directly. I don't think anyone here can provide any kind of useful advise, by here I specifically mean this thread, try the general forum if you want actually advise about what to do about not getting product in time or in sufficient quantities.
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B) I believe that consumption of magic is more elastic than inelastic. Some players will be more likely to spend more if given better reasons to do so. While some will purchase the same amount of sealed product regardless of how much they like the sets/formats/etc, there are others who are not so, and whose purchasing will increase and decrease. Maybe the limit is dynamic and as such, not as easy to reach? Magic's demographic is wide and heterogeneous.
To play devil's advocate here:
Do you have market trends and data to back your statement up? Are there real world examples of what you're suggesting here where it's possible to track spending across a given year or set of months? Are there surveys or data on a wide sample of individual players who have real world monetary constraints?
My own perspective is that many players have a sort of unspoken (or very literal) "magic budget" and tend to at least stick fairly near to it. Flooding the market with products may just result in money shifting from one product to the next rather than increasing buying overall.
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I put in another order and 3 WEEKS later 1 supplier was able to squeeze a single booster box(not case) of soi for me.No BFZ so I can do a draft or sealed with it.
I really have no idea what the supplier/retailer situation is since I am just a consumer, but it really sounds to me like a supplier issue. It sounds like, for whatever reason, other retailers are getting priority over you. I am just guessing though.
How do I play standard which everyone is willing to do when I can't get the product?
I just forsee more problems for me getting stadard now.
I afraid modern is heading for what legacy has become and not one single person where I live plays legacy which is a bummer.
I'm having a hard understanding how your standard supply problem has anything to do with the future of Modern. If you started having access to three times as much current standard product tomorrow how would that make Modern more or less likely to become like Legacy?
You mock me about the pro tour but I'm looking down the road,maybe you weren't around for legacy but it's very rare compared to what it once was and if modern goes that route then what's left?
I meant no mockery. I was just not sure from reading your post if you were fully aware of that.
Your supply issues are an anomaly, as you must know- with most shops getting as much Standard product as they need, and still Modern is played enthusiastically in many of those places. I can almost guarantee that Modern will one day be like Legacy, the only question is how long it will take. I have no short term fears for the format, but nothing lasts forever. Five years down the road Modern may not fill it's intended roll from Wizard's perspective, but frankly, a then eight year old format that is not eternal and does not rotate probably should get revised or usurped by a new format. Nothing wrong with that.
I think everyone missed that I CANT get standard products while it's in rotation still.
Modern was all I had since those cards are avaliable to me since it's out of standard rotation.
Like a customer said,why buy the older cards if they won't be used anymore.
My beef is that I can't join the standard band wagon due to lack of supplies.When I don't get even half of a pre order that was made 2 months in advance for a sealed tournament that's bad for me,i ran out of cards before the night was over,every booster pack sold!
I put in another order and 3 WEEKS later 1 supplier was able to squeeze a single booster box(not case) of soi for me.No BFZ so I can do a draft or sealed with it.
How do I play standard which everyone is willing to do when I can't get the product?
I just forsee more problems for me getting stadard now.
I afraid modern is heading for what legacy has become and not one single person where I live plays legacy which is a bummer.
I can't draft,or do sealed or anything else that's standard,in an entire year I still can't buy a booster of khans...no supply.And it's out of rotation.
You mock me about the pro tour but I'm looking down the road,maybe you weren't around for legacy but it's very rare compared to what it once was and if modern goes that route then what's left?Will it fade into memory where only the "old guys" know what it was like?
So before you mock me for being concerned about where modern goes from here and the possibility that it will take legacys path,try and look back,probably before your time to those days.Look familar???
Vintage to legacy,legacy to extended,extended to modern,modern to...Where's legacy now?
Anyone under 30 ever play it?own cards for it? So would you buy cards for legacy still?
I am reading this and can't help but wonder if maybe you're just not in a good location to run a business that relies on Magic cards then. I don't see how this is an issue with there being no Modern pro tour, and more of an issue with you making poor business decisions.
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B) I believe that consumption of magic is more elastic than inelastic. Some players will be more likely to spend more if given better reasons to do so. While some will purchase the same amount of sealed product regardless of how much they like the sets/formats/etc, there are others who are not so, and whose purchasing will increase and decrease. Maybe the limit is dynamic and as such, not as easy to reach? Magic's demographic is wide and heterogeneous.
To play devil's advocate here:
Do you have market trends and data to back your statement up? Are there real world examples of what you're suggesting here where it's possible to track spending across a given year or set of months? Are there surveys or data on a wide sample of individual players who have real world monetary constraints?
My own perspective is that many players have a sort of unspoken (or very literal) "magic budget" and tend to at least stick fairly near to it. Flooding the market with products may just result in money shifting from one product to the next rather than increasing buying overall.
No, there are obviously no surveys or market studies, or we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we? The problem is that my experience dealing with players from several countries, both as a player and a judge, I can see just how different and uneven, even inconsistent the contexts are from place to place. I have seen stores where the behavior is almost 100% elastic and others where the behavior is 100% inelastic, so we can't get a precise pinpointing of the demographic - only that it varies, as I said in my post.
And if it varies, then it is obvious that it is not 100% inelastic. Both my current LGS and my previous LGS (in two different countries 3400 km apart), for example, are 100% elastic. All of us consumed almost zero sealed product (be it direct boosters or through limited play) during BFZ block (example), and are now actively drafting and purchasing boosters of SoI, and eager to do the same for EMA and conspiracy 2. Heck, my previous store that was having issues getting 8 people to draft suddenly started tripling that number and is firing three pods on their draft night. This should at least give some evidence to the heterogeneity of the magic community and the absence of a budget for many people, or at least the relatively high ceiling of the budget not having much of an impact.
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Fair enough, up to a point.
Wizards and by extension hasbro, as commercial entities, will necessarily have to base any decisions (such as new product lines or changes to products) on what is in the industry vaguely termed as "insight". This means those surveys or data DO exist.
This will be direct evidence of sales, regional data, uptake of products based on where they are placed in stores, effectiveness of advertising, efficacy of marketing material such as packaging, and much more.
This will form the foundations for any decisions they make regarding products, and from my own experience in the industry, consumers DEFINITELY have a max average spend, so flooding the market with too many competing products only spreads people's purchases out rather than increasing spend overall. Any individual outliers or personal experience is going to be meaningless when held up against this data (which Wizards DEFINITELY has) so my point (playing devil's advocate) still stands.
My own experience that I shared is just a personal observation, and therefore pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But likewise so is yours unfortunately.
More products doesn't more money make, after a certain point. Especially in the luxury product industry, where impulse buy and disposable income are the key factors.
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It sucks that you can't get product where you are but it has little relevance to this discussion and it more something to take up with Wizards directly. I don't think anyone here can provide any kind of useful advise, by here I specifically mean this thread, try the general forum if you want actually advise about what to do about not getting product in time or in sufficient quantities.
To play devil's advocate here:
Do you have market trends and data to back your statement up? Are there real world examples of what you're suggesting here where it's possible to track spending across a given year or set of months? Are there surveys or data on a wide sample of individual players who have real world monetary constraints?
My own perspective is that many players have a sort of unspoken (or very literal) "magic budget" and tend to at least stick fairly near to it. Flooding the market with products may just result in money shifting from one product to the next rather than increasing buying overall.
I really have no idea what the supplier/retailer situation is since I am just a consumer, but it really sounds to me like a supplier issue. It sounds like, for whatever reason, other retailers are getting priority over you. I am just guessing though.
I'm having a hard understanding how your standard supply problem has anything to do with the future of Modern. If you started having access to three times as much current standard product tomorrow how would that make Modern more or less likely to become like Legacy?
I meant no mockery. I was just not sure from reading your post if you were fully aware of that.
Your supply issues are an anomaly, as you must know- with most shops getting as much Standard product as they need, and still Modern is played enthusiastically in many of those places. I can almost guarantee that Modern will one day be like Legacy, the only question is how long it will take. I have no short term fears for the format, but nothing lasts forever. Five years down the road Modern may not fill it's intended roll from Wizard's perspective, but frankly, a then eight year old format that is not eternal and does not rotate probably should get revised or usurped by a new format. Nothing wrong with that.
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PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
I am reading this and can't help but wonder if maybe you're just not in a good location to run a business that relies on Magic cards then. I don't see how this is an issue with there being no Modern pro tour, and more of an issue with you making poor business decisions.
Fair enough, up to a point.
Wizards and by extension hasbro, as commercial entities, will necessarily have to base any decisions (such as new product lines or changes to products) on what is in the industry vaguely termed as "insight". This means those surveys or data DO exist.
This will be direct evidence of sales, regional data, uptake of products based on where they are placed in stores, effectiveness of advertising, efficacy of marketing material such as packaging, and much more.
This will form the foundations for any decisions they make regarding products, and from my own experience in the industry, consumers DEFINITELY have a max average spend, so flooding the market with too many competing products only spreads people's purchases out rather than increasing spend overall. Any individual outliers or personal experience is going to be meaningless when held up against this data (which Wizards DEFINITELY has) so my point (playing devil's advocate) still stands.
My own experience that I shared is just a personal observation, and therefore pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But likewise so is yours unfortunately.
More products doesn't more money make, after a certain point. Especially in the luxury product industry, where impulse buy and disposable income are the key factors.