I thought it might be good enough for Standard, but more like a one or two of, definitely not the namesake of a deck. It is no wonder a card that you can get back 3-5 cards with on average is playable, at least a little.
I'm definitely glad I don't take bets on cards though, 'cause I definitely didn't see this being THAT good. Playable, but not namesake-able.
It's hilarious how many commenters on both this thread and Ever After's spoiler thread bashed this card. Goes to show how much random people on this site know.
Return Demonic Tutor to your hand with a boatload of other cards, than search for Seasons Past right back.
Sure, you'll turn the Tutor into Buyback 1B, discard Demonic Tutor, but still worth it in almost any capacity.
I think Reid Duke might have read this comment, lol. Good job predicting the combo that fuels the best standard deck, even if you were talking about EDH
I don't play Standard, so I didn't dare outright say it would be good when it was previewed, but I understood the implications of the card's effects. I guess EDH is so diverse that it is literally "in a vacuum" that analyzing cards usually take place in. Other formats take meta more into account and I have no idea what the Standard one is like for years already (other than the occasional Siege Rhino complains back then).
Not so savvy when it comes to getting cards though, should have rushed out to get a Foil one back then for EDH. Now I guess I'll have to wait until rotation (well, it's not like it's the first card to be on that list anyway).
Ironically when I decided to tune in to the PT coverage just to see what's going on it was Brad Nelson vs Jon Finkel with Jon Finkel using the combo.
It's hilarious how many commenters on both this thread and Ever After's spoiler thread bashed this card. Goes to show how much random people on this site know.
A lot of people apparently think looking at cards relatively briefly is comparable to the months of internal playtesting done before release. Maybe one day, some of them will release this mistake.
It's hilarious how many commenters on both this thread and Ever After's spoiler thread bashed this card. Goes to show how much random people on this site know.
Card is very specific in its demands and its quite a feat to build a deck that fully utilizes it as a engine.
In a regular deck the card doesnt perform, so its not a card with a high powerlevel in itself, but as soon as you get 3+ cards back its worth its manacost, anything better and you got yourself a running gun.
The allmost mono black deck features the card really well, as its stock full of answers and most importantly has the tutor to grab it as a real engine.
And still, its not a card that "crazy" , it just does its job in a deck that abuses its needs pretty well.
And in addition, standard is void of graveyard hate, which is crucial to make the card work at all in any reasonable way.
if you could see all that in advance, you might just start to play some powerball and get rich in no time!
It's hilarious how many commenters on both this thread and Ever After's spoiler thread bashed this card. Goes to show how much random people on this site know.
Card is very specific in its demands and its quite a feat to build a deck that fully utilizes it as a engine.
In a regular deck the card doesnt perform, so its not a card with a high powerlevel in itself, but as soon as you get 3+ cards back its worth its manacost, anything better and you got yourself a running gun.
The allmost mono black deck features the card really well, as its stock full of answers and most importantly has the tutor to grab it as a real engine.
And still, its not a card that "crazy" , it just does its job in a deck that abuses its needs pretty well.
And in addition, standard is void of graveyard hate, which is crucial to make the card work at all in any reasonable way.
if you could see all that in advance, you might just start to play some powerball and get rich in no time!
You could basically apply everything you just said to a ton of powerful cards (Snapcaster Mage is the first that comes to mind).
if you could see all that in advance, you might just start to play some powerball and get rich in no time!
This is less of a case of predicting success and more of knowing that cards that produce massive card advantage are inherently really good. The card also doesn't have many red flags other than a high mana cost, which is attainable given Standard's pacing, unlike, say, Greenwarden of Murasa, which produces less CA and has an exiling dies trigger. You make it sound like a non-exiling multi-Regrowth needs a specific environment to be good, but format pacing is really the only thing that matters.
Return Demonic Tutor to your hand with a boatload of other cards, than search for Seasons Past right back.
Sure, you'll turn the Tutor into Buyback 1B, discard Demonic Tutor, but still worth it in almost any capacity.
I think Reid Duke might have read this comment, lol. Good job predicting the combo that fuels the best standard deck, even if you were talking about EDH
What's really entertaining is that Dark Petition is basically the cost of a Demonic Tutor assuming you have 5 mana in play since you get the 3 mana back with spell mastery which the deck that runs this combo can pull off easily. Obviously Demonic Tutor is far more powerful because it truly costs 2 mana but they both have some similiarity, I would much rather play Dark Petition over say Diabolic Tutor.
if you could see all that in advance, you might just start to play some powerball and get rich in no time!
This is less of a case of predicting success and more of knowing that cards that produce massive card advantage are inherently really good. The card also doesn't have many red flags other than a high mana cost, which is attainable given Standard's pacing, unlike, say, Greenwarden of Murasa, which produces less CA and has an exiling dies trigger. You make it sound like a non-exiling multi-Regrowth needs a specific environment to be good, but format pacing is really the only thing that matters.
But, it does need a certain environment to be good. This deck was successful because of two key reasons, meta game and matchups. Predicting a predictably aggressive meta plus a high amount of removal is the only reason this card saw any play at all. You'll notice that the top 8 decklists did one of two things successfully, clogged the board with tokens/creatures or removed creatures. Finkel's first loss was against Brad Nelson who played a goggles ramp and burn deck. Finkel's deck was overloaded with creature hate that he couldn't use and getting that removal back did him no good. If Nelson was playing a humans deck Finkel probably would have won.
But, it does need a certain environment to be good. This deck was successful because of two key reasons, meta game and matchups. Predicting a predictably aggressive meta plus a high amount of removal is the only reason this card saw any play at all. You'll notice that the top 8 decklists did one of two things successfully, clogged the board with tokens/creatures or removed creatures. Finkel's first loss was against Brad Nelson who played a goggles ramp and burn deck. Finkel's deck was overloaded with creature hate that he couldn't use and getting that removal back did him no good. If Nelson was playing a humans deck Finkel probably would have won.
I wasn't even pretending to predict Season's Past's pro tour performance, I was just saying how obvious it is that the card isn't the unplayable pile of crap this forum painted it to be.
But, it does need a certain environment to be good. This deck was successful because of two key reasons, meta game and matchups. Predicting a predictably aggressive meta plus a high amount of removal is the only reason this card saw any play at all. You'll notice that the top 8 decklists did one of two things successfully, clogged the board with tokens/creatures or removed creatures. Finkel's first loss was against Brad Nelson who played a goggles ramp and burn deck. Finkel's deck was overloaded with creature hate that he couldn't use and getting that removal back did him no good. If Nelson was playing a humans deck Finkel probably would have won.
I wasn't even pretending to predict Season's Past's pro tour performance, I was just saying how obvious it is that the card isn't the unplayable pile of crap this forum painted it to be.
Except the forum did not paint it to be like that. There were a few posters who weren't all that ecxited about it sure, but also plenty of positive responses. So one can't really say you have a good point here.
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Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I'm definitely glad I don't take bets on cards though, 'cause I definitely didn't see this being THAT good. Playable, but not namesake-able.
I don't play Standard, so I didn't dare outright say it would be good when it was previewed, but I understood the implications of the card's effects. I guess EDH is so diverse that it is literally "in a vacuum" that analyzing cards usually take place in. Other formats take meta more into account and I have no idea what the Standard one is like for years already (other than the occasional Siege Rhino complains back then).
Not so savvy when it comes to getting cards though, should have rushed out to get a Foil one back then for EDH. Now I guess I'll have to wait until rotation (well, it's not like it's the first card to be on that list anyway).
Ironically when I decided to tune in to the PT coverage just to see what's going on it was Brad Nelson vs Jon Finkel with Jon Finkel using the combo.
A lot of people apparently think looking at cards relatively briefly is comparable to the months of internal playtesting done before release. Maybe one day, some of them will release this mistake.
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Card is very specific in its demands and its quite a feat to build a deck that fully utilizes it as a engine.
In a regular deck the card doesnt perform, so its not a card with a high powerlevel in itself, but as soon as you get 3+ cards back its worth its manacost, anything better and you got yourself a running gun.
The allmost mono black deck features the card really well, as its stock full of answers and most importantly has the tutor to grab it as a real engine.
And still, its not a card that "crazy" , it just does its job in a deck that abuses its needs pretty well.
And in addition, standard is void of graveyard hate, which is crucial to make the card work at all in any reasonable way.
if you could see all that in advance, you might just start to play some powerball and get rich in no time!
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You could basically apply everything you just said to a ton of powerful cards (Snapcaster Mage is the first that comes to mind).
This is less of a case of predicting success and more of knowing that cards that produce massive card advantage are inherently really good. The card also doesn't have many red flags other than a high mana cost, which is attainable given Standard's pacing, unlike, say, Greenwarden of Murasa, which produces less CA and has an exiling dies trigger. You make it sound like a non-exiling multi-Regrowth needs a specific environment to be good, but format pacing is really the only thing that matters.
That's assuming both cards were in standard....
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But, it does need a certain environment to be good. This deck was successful because of two key reasons, meta game and matchups. Predicting a predictably aggressive meta plus a high amount of removal is the only reason this card saw any play at all. You'll notice that the top 8 decklists did one of two things successfully, clogged the board with tokens/creatures or removed creatures. Finkel's first loss was against Brad Nelson who played a goggles ramp and burn deck. Finkel's deck was overloaded with creature hate that he couldn't use and getting that removal back did him no good. If Nelson was playing a humans deck Finkel probably would have won.
I wasn't even pretending to predict Season's Past's pro tour performance, I was just saying how obvious it is that the card isn't the unplayable pile of crap this forum painted it to be.
Except the forum did not paint it to be like that. There were a few posters who weren't all that ecxited about it sure, but also plenty of positive responses. So one can't really say you have a good point here.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.