Ugin was right.
Too bad people predicted Emrakul much earlier.
WotC had to predict people would guess Emrakul so if they hope it's a complete surprise they were kidding themselves. That said we may have a twist coming.
Emrakul doesn't even make sense. The weird things Tamiyo has been investigating have been going on longer than Emrakul would ever take to start consuming the plane. What would Emrakul even get out of causing infighting and such?
Whether this is legitimate or if people just constructed this pattern out of nonsense somehow, this is really really really really cool.
I thought for sure there was no way we would see Emrakul, but the evidence is increasingly convincing. I mean just the tentacle coming out of that one guys sleeve alone had me suspicious, but now I think it is getting pretty clear.
Very cool, and surprising imo
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I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Aside from being potentially trolling, it makes very little sense. Did anyone use Ugin's Insight, much less read its flavor text? Even I didn't and I try to use cards that other people don't use.
On a tangentially-related topic, Ugin's Insight is a pretty darned good effect. If you playing Azorius, Dimir, or Esper then by the middle of the game you probably have a dragon or dragonlord with a cmc of 5 or 6. Being able to scry 5 or 6 then draw 3 is arguably more powerful than digging through 7 to find 2, even if you get to delve for most of the cost, because not only were you likely to find the card for which you were looking but you also fixed your topdeck next turn. The end result might as well be "scry x, draw 4". Again, this goes back to people avoiding sorcery-speed effects as if they were both radioactive and highly infectious.
Anyway...now that I look at Ugin's Insight again (okay, so I have my BFZ and OGW binders at work with me) it almost looks like you could rearrange the cryptoliths in the proper order to form the shape of one of Ugin's horns....
Aside from being potentially trolling, it makes very little sense. Did anyone use Ugin's Insight, much less read its flavor text? Even I didn't and I try to use cards that other people don't use.
The flavor is a direct quote from one of the stories so Wizards absolutely intended for it to be a special significance.
Tamyo's research is about the Moon of Innistrad. And it's implied on the original innistrad that she was doing that research for quite some time. So she was researching on the eldrazi going to innistrad before they were even released from zendikar?
I don't know what is worse. The people fantasying about Emrakul on Innistrad, or if wizards buy that and actually throw emrakul on it.
IMO the threat is something about the moon of innistrad, maybe an sealed evil on it that will be released on eldritch moon (a new threat for the gatewatch to fight against)
Avacyn, Bruna, and Gisela happen to be three threats that are rolling together. Threats that could be observed by Tamiyo quite easily. We've seen the gang group up on Sigarda...
Emrakul doesn't even make sense. The weird things Tamiyo has been investigating have been going on longer than Emrakul would ever take to start consuming the plane. What would Emrakul even get out of causing infighting and such?
As far as what "makes sesne" with Emrakul, how do we know know enough about the story and the Eldrazi and SPECIFICALLY Emrakul as opposed to the others who got their spotlight in BFZ to figure what makes sense with Emrakul? They noted Emrakul had been gone a usefully-vague "long time" from Zendikar as of the end of OGW, and assuming it is actually Emrakul causing the infighting specifically and not it just being just one result of madness, or if Emrakul is even necessarily the source of the madness, we wouldn't now what she "Gets out of it" anyway. We aren't really supposed to understand their motivation, which is mostly probably just technicalese for "it makes an interesting mystery story without having to really explain anything".
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They didn't care that he was the savior of Fort Keff, the great hunter of Ondu, the champion of Kabira. To them, he was just another piece of flesh, a thing with life to be drained away.
Ugin was right.
Too bad people predicted Emrakul much earlier.
WotC had to predict people would guess Emrakul so if they hope it's a complete surprise they were kidding themselves. That said we may have a twist coming.
Emrakul is only obvious to those on MTG websites looking deep into the lore and analyzing all the tiny details. This is not the average player though. It's like in Game of Thrones/A Song of Fire and Ice where the R+L=J theory is painfully obvious to anyone looking for it, but not at all for the average show watcher/book reader.
Maybe Nahiri is trying to atract Emmrakull or an eldrazi to Innistrad but unleashes something else instead, another cosmic horror
Oh damn, Cosmic Horror confirmed!! That thing is actually scarier than all the Eldrazi and Marit Lage combined. I want to know it's backstory now.
Also, speaking of Ugin, what is he doing right now? I didn't keep up with the story, but noticed he didn't make an appearance during the battle with Kozilek and Ulamog and didn't take an "oath". Is he still on Tarkir? or is he on Zendikar? Or did he go somewhere else?
Kind of disappointing. I was hoping for an ancient, malevolent sea god worshiped by Runo Stromkirk. Instead, we get BFZ part 3.
Heh. So far all we have is a bunch of assumptions,speculations and wild paranoid guesses.
Way too early to cry about anything. We have hints of Ormendahl,of the sea god,of the moon,of Emrakul.
How many people started whining when the Gitrog Toad was hinted? Crying in outrage that the anticipated sea god has turned to be a "lame-ass frog"? And guess what? It is a normal legendary critter in a random lake.
But feel free to be disappointed already. What I am to ruin your (un)fun
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It is probably Emrakul which is super dissapointing because after that Sigarda story I really wanted it to be a returning 4th angel that had escaped Avacyn. Still could be I guess but seems way more unlikely now unless they are reeeeeaaaaallly trying to troll us.
Wish they waited a while for emrakrul, I imagined a trailer of a peaceful world and then all of a sudden emrakrul blocks out the sun, erupts from the ground, or something along those lines. Oh well I guess. Hopefully they just continue to be as creative as they have been with this set is been great so far.
Maybe Nahiri is trying to atract Emmrakull or an eldrazi to Innistrad but unleashes something else instead, another cosmic horror
Oh damn, Cosmic Horror confirmed!! That thing is actually scarier than all the Eldrazi and Marit Lage combined. I want to know it's backstory now.
Also, speaking of Ugin, what is he doing right now? I didn't keep up with the story, but noticed he didn't make an appearance during the battle with Kozilek and Ulamog and didn't take an "oath". Is he still on Tarkir? or is he on Zendikar? Or did he go somewhere else?
We don't know, really. Last we saw him was his conversation with Jace in the Eye of Ugin on Zendikar. He didn't really say whether he was going to stay or go.
There was so much hidden lore on Innistrad that they could have tapped in to. Now it's just another dinner plate for Emrakul. They really shouldn't have crossed the two mythologies. They should have waited for another yet-unnamed plane to stage the Emrakul storyline instead of ruining Innistrad.
Emrakul doesn't even make sense. The weird things Tamiyo has been investigating have been going on longer than Emrakul would ever take to start consuming the plane. What would Emrakul even get out of causing infighting and such?
Actually Avacyn's madness was abrupt. Perhaps it was Emrakul entering Innistrad, summoned by Nahiri.
Damn Nahirir don't play at all. Obliterating Markov Manor and murdering all its residents by embedding them in stone. Turning the Angels on humanity and massacring the plane's inhabitants, forcing Sorin to kill his own angelic daughter Avacyn, Innistrad's only hope against its many evils...
And then bringing the mightiest, most fearsome entity in the Multiverse to descend on the ruins of Innistrad.
The fact that they made this pattern show up in EVERY language translation of the flavor text is very very cool. Kudos WOTC.
Also, it shows a very deliberate attempt to make the whole Clue theme mean something.
Emrakul haters chill out and try to appreciate the cleverness here.
That being said, the phrase "Remember this: they came as three" still leaves open the possibility that Emrakul won't actually show up on this plane. Maybe Nahiri just found a way to summon his influence (i.e. the corruption) without actually summoning the being. However, given that Jace discovered the method to bind Ula and Kozi to the plane using the hedrons, it would make sense that Nahiri would already know how to bind Emmy
Ugin was right.
Too bad people predicted Emrakul much earlier.
WotC had to predict people would guess Emrakul so if they hope it's a complete surprise they were kidding themselves. That said we may have a twist coming.
Knowing them, the twist will be that it's Emrakul, and they didn't even consider that everyone would immediately think that in the wake of Zendikar.
But isn't it illogical for Emrakul to show up here now? The three titans were released on Zendikar at the same time. Nahiri's revenge on Sorin wouldn't have begun until then, and not immediately, since we didn't see evidence of her during Innistrad 1. It doesn't seem like enough time has passed for Emrakul to have shown up and driven Avacyn mad.
Also, doesn't this insidious madness theme not fit what we've seen of Emrakul before? It was always a huge looming presence and had no reason to be subtle or coy, and madness was Kozilek's thing.
Maybe Nahiri is trying to atract Emmrakull or an eldrazi to Innistrad but unleashes something else instead, another cosmic horror
Oh damn, Cosmic Horror confirmed!! That thing is actually scarier than all the Eldrazi and Marit Lage combined. I want to know it's backstory now.
Also, speaking of Ugin, what is he doing right now? I didn't keep up with the story, but noticed he didn't make an appearance during the battle with Kozilek and Ulamog and didn't take an "oath". Is he still on Tarkir? or is he on Zendikar? Or did he go somewhere else?
Ugin showed up a few days after the Gatewatch triumphed, yelled at Jace, then said he would be investigating the remains and that he shouldn't be disturbed.
The fact that they made this pattern show up in EVERY language translation of the flavor text is very very cool. Kudos WOTC.
Also, it shows a very deliberate attempt to make the whole Clue theme mean something.
Emrakul haters chill out and try to appreciate the cleverness here.
That being said, the phrase "Remember this: they came as three" still leaves open the possibility that Emrakul won't actually show up on this plane. Maybe Nahiri just found a way to summon his influence (i.e. the corruption) without actually summoning the being. However, given that Jace discovered the method to bind Ula and Kozi to the plane using the hedrons, it would make sense that Nahiri would already know how to bind Emmy
Do not forget, Nahiri IS a Harbinger and she CAN summon The-Biggest-Baddest-Nastiest-Scariest-Creature-From-Your-Library.
Emrakul doesn't even make sense. The weird things Tamiyo has been investigating have been going on longer than Emrakul would ever take to start consuming the plane. What would Emrakul even get out of causing infighting and such?
During the short stories last block, there were suggestions that the three titans have separate, synergistic roles. Ulamog eats the plane, Kozilek distorts it to some end, and Emrakul does something else. Having trouble sourcing that at the moment, but the point is that Emrakul isn't responsible for eating anything.
Ugin was right.
Too bad people predicted Emrakul much earlier.
WotC had to predict people would guess Emrakul so if they hope it's a complete surprise they were kidding themselves. That said we may have a twist coming.
Emrakul is only obvious to those on MTG websites looking deep into the lore and analyzing all the tiny details. This is not the average player though. It's like in Game of Thrones/A Song of Fire and Ice where the R+L=J theory is painfully obvious to anyone looking for it, but not at all for the average show watcher/book reader.
Fair point, but anyone trying to decipher these clues/solve the mystery would also think of Emrakul. The people who would be completely surprised by these are the same people who would have missed the fact these clues are here in the first place.
It makes sense why Emrakul would leave Zendikar when released. She recovered soonest and was being drawn by Nahiri to Innistrad I suppose.
I bet Emrakul will not be defeated, but sealed on Innistrad in the Drownyard, solidifying Innistrad as the true horror plane. There, in the Gothic horror world shall lie the Lovecrafian eldritch horror Emrakul, dreaming in its deep ocean prison.
WotC had to predict people would guess Emrakul so if they hope it's a complete surprise they were kidding themselves. That said we may have a twist coming.
Whether this is legitimate or if people just constructed this pattern out of nonsense somehow, this is really really really really cool.
I thought for sure there was no way we would see Emrakul, but the evidence is increasingly convincing. I mean just the tentacle coming out of that one guys sleeve alone had me suspicious, but now I think it is getting pretty clear.
Very cool, and surprising imo
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
On a tangentially-related topic, Ugin's Insight is a pretty darned good effect. If you playing Azorius, Dimir, or Esper then by the middle of the game you probably have a dragon or dragonlord with a cmc of 5 or 6. Being able to scry 5 or 6 then draw 3 is arguably more powerful than digging through 7 to find 2, even if you get to delve for most of the cost, because not only were you likely to find the card for which you were looking but you also fixed your topdeck next turn. The end result might as well be "scry x, draw 4". Again, this goes back to people avoiding sorcery-speed effects as if they were both radioactive and highly infectious.
Anyway...now that I look at Ugin's Insight again (okay, so I have my BFZ and OGW binders at work with me) it almost looks like you could rearrange the cryptoliths in the proper order to form the shape of one of Ugin's horns....
The flavor is a direct quote from one of the stories so Wizards absolutely intended for it to be a special significance.
I don't know what is worse. The people fantasying about Emrakul on Innistrad, or if wizards buy that and actually throw emrakul on it.
IMO the threat is something about the moon of innistrad, maybe an sealed evil on it that will be released on eldritch moon (a new threat for the gatewatch to fight against)
As far as what "makes sesne" with Emrakul, how do we know know enough about the story and the Eldrazi and SPECIFICALLY Emrakul as opposed to the others who got their spotlight in BFZ to figure what makes sense with Emrakul? They noted Emrakul had been gone a usefully-vague "long time" from Zendikar as of the end of OGW, and assuming it is actually Emrakul causing the infighting specifically and not it just being just one result of madness, or if Emrakul is even necessarily the source of the madness, we wouldn't now what she "Gets out of it" anyway. We aren't really supposed to understand their motivation, which is mostly probably just technicalese for "it makes an interesting mystery story without having to really explain anything".
But the people behind the barrier knew.
Ah so. One of these days I guess I will have to get around to reading the stories that go along with set releases. Some day. Perhaps. Maybe.
Oh damn, Cosmic Horror confirmed!! That thing is actually scarier than all the Eldrazi and Marit Lage combined. I want to know it's backstory now.
Also, speaking of Ugin, what is he doing right now? I didn't keep up with the story, but noticed he didn't make an appearance during the battle with Kozilek and Ulamog and didn't take an "oath". Is he still on Tarkir? or is he on Zendikar? Or did he go somewhere else?
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Heh. So far all we have is a bunch of assumptions,speculations and wild paranoid guesses.
Way too early to cry about anything. We have hints of Ormendahl,of the sea god,of the moon,of Emrakul.
How many people started whining when the Gitrog Toad was hinted? Crying in outrage that the anticipated sea god has turned to be a "lame-ass frog"? And guess what? It is a normal legendary critter in a random lake.
But feel free to be disappointed already. What I am to ruin your (un)fun
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Damn Nahirir don't play at all. Obliterating Markov Manor and murdering all its residents by embedding them in stone. Turning the Angels on humanity and massacring the plane's inhabitants, forcing Sorin to kill his own angelic daughter Avacyn, Innistrad's only hope against its many evils...
And then bringing the mightiest, most fearsome entity in the Multiverse to descend on the ruins of Innistrad.
Damn.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Also, it shows a very deliberate attempt to make the whole Clue theme mean something.
Emrakul haters chill out and try to appreciate the cleverness here.
That being said, the phrase "Remember this: they came as three" still leaves open the possibility that Emrakul won't actually show up on this plane. Maybe Nahiri just found a way to summon his influence (i.e. the corruption) without actually summoning the being. However, given that Jace discovered the method to bind Ula and Kozi to the plane using the hedrons, it would make sense that Nahiri would already know how to bind Emmy
Knowing them, the twist will be that it's Emrakul, and they didn't even consider that everyone would immediately think that in the wake of Zendikar.
But isn't it illogical for Emrakul to show up here now? The three titans were released on Zendikar at the same time. Nahiri's revenge on Sorin wouldn't have begun until then, and not immediately, since we didn't see evidence of her during Innistrad 1. It doesn't seem like enough time has passed for Emrakul to have shown up and driven Avacyn mad.
Also, doesn't this insidious madness theme not fit what we've seen of Emrakul before? It was always a huge looming presence and had no reason to be subtle or coy, and madness was Kozilek's thing.
Ugin showed up a few days after the Gatewatch triumphed, yelled at Jace, then said he would be investigating the remains and that he shouldn't be disturbed.
Do not forget, Nahiri IS a Harbinger and she CAN summon The-Biggest-Baddest-Nastiest-Scariest-Creature-From-Your-Library.
During the short stories last block, there were suggestions that the three titans have separate, synergistic roles. Ulamog eats the plane, Kozilek distorts it to some end, and Emrakul does something else. Having trouble sourcing that at the moment, but the point is that Emrakul isn't responsible for eating anything.
Fair point, but anyone trying to decipher these clues/solve the mystery would also think of Emrakul. The people who would be completely surprised by these are the same people who would have missed the fact these clues are here in the first place.
I'm wondering if Emrakul is a red herring
I bet Emrakul will not be defeated, but sealed on Innistrad in the Drownyard, solidifying Innistrad as the true horror plane. There, in the Gothic horror world shall lie the Lovecrafian eldritch horror Emrakul, dreaming in its deep ocean prison.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||