This is a stretch but maybe the numbers are in base 26 and each digit matches a letter so English Tamiyo's Journal 434 entry would be 18 in base 26 which is R.
Does anything come of that when you do the rest? I'm not sure how, else I'd try.
This is a stretch but maybe the numbers are in base 26 and each digit matches a letter so English Tamiyo's Journal 434 entry would be 18 in base 26 which is R.
Does anything come of that when you do the rest? I'm not sure how, else I'd try.
R R A Y O T S Q J Y
I don't think my hypothesis made any answers. I'll try subtracting the poster sums from the corresponding Tamiyo poster for each language and see if that leads anywhere.
My theory is based on a mathematical correlation between the Prerelease poster and that language's corresponding Tamiyo's Journal card.
I wondered about taking the base 26 idea and substituting the 26 with the sum of the clock positions for each language (eg. base 23 for English), then going through the Journal entry numbers. At present that gives T, I, C, J, N and D for English, German, Japanese, Russian, Portuguese and Spanish respectively. I suppose it's another possibility.
There will be 11 posters in all. If you count the cryptoliths on Drownyard Temple you will see that there are 22 of them, which cannot be a coincidence. As far as I can tell, Tamiyo's Journal says one of two things, either "there is more to Avacyn's madness" and "the madness of Avacyn is hiding something" (which could also be "Avacyn's madness is hiding something"). I tried using a simple place-based cypher but hit only dead ends; for example, the 2nd letter of "there is more to Avacyn's madness" is "h", the 4th is r, etc. None of the 4-letter words made sense, even when I transposed them through the English alphabet both forward and backward.
I tried looking only at the slope of the cryptoliths, ignoring the direction they were pointing, as well. This gives only 5 positions--level, slightly down to the right, sharply down to the right, slightly down to the left, and sharply down to the left--and calling those "position 1", "position 2", etc. This would make the English version come out as 3, 2, 2, 4. Now, from here it appears that the second and third letters should be the same and this would give us possibilities such as "moon" or "seek" or even "http" but this didn't work out with any satisfactory results, either.
However they have this puzzle built, it looks like it will definitely require all 11 posters to have full information and cannot be too terribly complex--it won't reference the flavor text on cards like I examined and it won't require advanced knowledge of number theory, cyphers, and/or codes.
Still...Jace says that all the cryptoliths point to the Drownyard Temple and we know that they are responsible for the Warped Landscape. Perhaps there is something in that card's flavor text about cryptoliths twisting the plane's mana...but twisting it how?
Total = 20 - another new number in the sequence, not a repetition of a previous total. Corresponding letter may be T, or using base-20 on the Italian Journal Entry (433) gives 13 = M.
Total = 20 - another new number in the sequence, not a repetition of a previous total. Corresponding letter may be T, or using base-20 on the Italian Journal Entry (433) gives 13 = M.
I notice that a lot of people are going by the topmost slope of the cryptoliths to determine clock position but what if it is instead by the bottom which in effect could be considered where it is truly pointing? For example in this Italian poster it could be 12, 8, 9, 3 instead.
I notice that a lot of people are going by the topmost slope of the cryptoliths to determine clock position but what if it is instead by the bottom which in effect could be considered where it is truly pointing? For example in this Italian poster it could be 12, 8, 9, 3 instead.
That's very possible too. I guess it won't be until we have all 11 posters that we can try every method and see which gives us the most usable results. For my part, there's a distinct lack of vowels in everything I've tried so far. :/
Could this be a phone cipher? Basically, take the numbers 0-9 for the positions of the cryptoliths, and then assign them letters according to the English phone number/letter matching?
I feel like an idiot right now...
I just realized that there are 4(probably) card slots on the wizards page. With 4 cards, it'd be logical to assume there could be 4 clues. Now, instead of trying to 'read' the cryptoliths on each poster, what if each cryptolith corresponded to a different clue? So, for the first one, you would need the first cryptolith from each poster.
This would all but ensure we need all the posters before we could solve anything
EDIT:
I have no idea where this attachment came from...
It is currently shaping up that the sum of the numbers represent the order in which they are placed.
As far as what the actual numbers of the positions mean, I am still working on.
I'm not sure if the Tamiyo's Journal entry has anything to do with it, but it is still interesting that the numbers of the journal entries vary so much.
I've been working with conversion of summing the clock face values to numbers and then ascribing each a letter based on the value (26 = z, 27 = a, thus starting over). This yields the following table attached called "12-hr clock." Then, if you assume that after the hand passes the noon hour, we convert to military time, it yields the table called "24-hr clock." Finally, if we assume the clocks start at noon in military time, it yields the table called "24-hr clock afternoon." I don't know if any of the letters make sense at this point, but it's another way to look at it...
mamaster: That sounds quite reasonable, actually.\
Everything I can find shows that if we are looking for a text answer, and they truly are pointing to clock faces, then this has to be a variation of a T9 cipher using the clock faces. Likely...
1 - A, B, C
2 - D, E, F
3 - G, H
4 - I, J
5 - K, L
6 - M, N
7 - O, P
8 - Q, R
9 - S, T
10 - U, V
11 - W, X
12 - Y, Z
I feel like an idiot right now...
I just realized that there are 4(probably) card slots on the wizards page. With 4 cards, it'd be logical to assume there could be 4 clues. Now, instead of trying to 'read' the cryptoliths on each poster, what if each cryptolith corresponded to a different clue? So, for the first one, you would need the first cryptolith from each poster.
This would all but ensure we need all the posters before we could solve anything
EDIT:
I have no idea where this attachment came from...
I think this is an interesting idea, but the only problem I can give to the theory right now is that all the first cryptoliths so far have a number 1-3. So the first answer would have to use a lot of the first letters of the alphabet...
Perhaps there is something in that card's flavor text about cryptoliths twisting the plane's mana...but twisting it how?
My guess is that Nahiri is responsible for the creation of the cryptoliths. There stone, she is a stone mage. She is using them much in the same way that the hedrions were used on Zendikar, to modify the plane of innistrad's leylines.
how it is being twisted, that is the use of the cryptoliths. To entice people to use/create the cryptoliths they have a minor other affect (seen in the story were Arlin Kord is first mentioned). The bigger question to ask is what effect is it being twisted for? We know that the Hedrions changed the leylines to seal away the eldrazi and that changing how the leylines worked let the eldrazi break free.
Thus my interpretation is that Nahiri is going to use the plane of innistrad's natural mana to summon/release something by using the modified leylines via the cryptoliths. As to if this something is the last known Eldrazi titan, or Lage, or the gitrog that remains to be seen. But it defiantly has something to do with the moon, and demons since the cryptoliths basically summon demons.
Wizards just posted on Twitter asking if we could help summon the Geist of Saint traft
Indeed. Two posts. First (accompanied by the original art for Geist of Saint Traft):
"Can anybody help us summon this Geist? Even a fraction of his power could be a huge help right now!"
Then later:
"The power of Saint Traft surrounds us and abides in us all. Your invocation is working!"
Relevance? GoST's literal power is 2. A fraction of his power? Halves?
ETA: Never mind - new card spoiled is Invocation of Saint Traft. Probably of no relevance to this puzzle.
Does anything come of that when you do the rest? I'm not sure how, else I'd try.
Modern: UB Zombie hunt UB - WR Boros tokens WR - BGW Treefolk tribal BGW
Commander: UR Mizzix, a Storm of spells UR (Decklist)
Why not post it now? Or is it just a matter of time and access?
R R A Y O T S Q J Y
I don't think my hypothesis made any answers. I'll try subtracting the poster sums from the corresponding Tamiyo poster for each language and see if that leads anywhere.
My theory is based on a mathematical correlation between the Prerelease poster and that language's corresponding Tamiyo's Journal card.
I tried looking only at the slope of the cryptoliths, ignoring the direction they were pointing, as well. This gives only 5 positions--level, slightly down to the right, sharply down to the right, slightly down to the left, and sharply down to the left--and calling those "position 1", "position 2", etc. This would make the English version come out as 3, 2, 2, 4. Now, from here it appears that the second and third letters should be the same and this would give us possibilities such as "moon" or "seek" or even "http" but this didn't work out with any satisfactory results, either.
However they have this puzzle built, it looks like it will definitely require all 11 posters to have full information and cannot be too terribly complex--it won't reference the flavor text on cards like I examined and it won't require advanced knowledge of number theory, cyphers, and/or codes.
Still...Jace says that all the cryptoliths point to the Drownyard Temple and we know that they are responsible for the Warped Landscape. Perhaps there is something in that card's flavor text about cryptoliths twisting the plane's mana...but twisting it how?
My LGS opens tomorrow, I'm sorry.
Modern: UB Zombie hunt UB - WR Boros tokens WR - BGW Treefolk tribal BGW
Commander: UR Mizzix, a Storm of spells UR (Decklist)
Total = 20 - another new number in the sequence, not a repetition of a previous total. Corresponding letter may be T, or using base-20 on the Italian Journal Entry (433) gives 13 = M.
No need to be sorry! I was just curious
Awesome!
BTW, are we sure about the number of the Journal Entry in the 900s? It's the only one that has a hundreds digit in base 26.
If you take the Journal Entry numbers and break them into base 26, you get the following:
(Same language order as the poster on the previous page has them)
16 18
17 1
1 9 25
20 15
14 18
24 20
Anything there?
I notice that a lot of people are going by the topmost slope of the cryptoliths to determine clock position but what if it is instead by the bottom which in effect could be considered where it is truly pointing? For example in this Italian poster it could be 12, 8, 9, 3 instead.
Doesn't look like it
QS
RB
BJZ
UP
OS
YU
That's very possible too. I guess it won't be until we have all 11 posters that we can try every method and see which gives us the most usable results. For my part, there's a distinct lack of vowels in everything I've tried so far. :/
Could this be a phone cipher? Basically, take the numbers 0-9 for the positions of the cryptoliths, and then assign them letters according to the English phone number/letter matching?
I just realized that there are 4(probably) card slots on the wizards page. With 4 cards, it'd be logical to assume there could be 4 clues. Now, instead of trying to 'read' the cryptoliths on each poster, what if each cryptolith corresponded to a different clue? So, for the first one, you would need the first cryptolith from each poster.
This would all but ensure we need all the posters before we could solve anything
EDIT:
I have no idea where this attachment came from...
It is currently shaping up that the sum of the numbers represent the order in which they are placed.
As far as what the actual numbers of the positions mean, I am still working on.
I'm not sure if the Tamiyo's Journal entry has anything to do with it, but it is still interesting that the numbers of the journal entries vary so much.
Just food for thought at this point.
~Xath
Ah didn't know that thanks!
Everything I can find shows that if we are looking for a text answer, and they truly are pointing to clock faces, then this has to be a variation of a T9 cipher using the clock faces. Likely...
1 - A, B, C
2 - D, E, F
3 - G, H
4 - I, J
5 - K, L
6 - M, N
7 - O, P
8 - Q, R
9 - S, T
10 - U, V
11 - W, X
12 - Y, Z
I think this is an interesting idea, but the only problem I can give to the theory right now is that all the first cryptoliths so far have a number 1-3. So the first answer would have to use a lot of the first letters of the alphabet...
Another possibility is that it's a form of Flag Semaphore cipher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_semaphore
Can't make too much out of it, but if so, each of the 11 posters would have two letters from the cryptoliths.
My guess is that Nahiri is responsible for the creation of the cryptoliths. There stone, she is a stone mage. She is using them much in the same way that the hedrions were used on Zendikar, to modify the plane of innistrad's leylines.
how it is being twisted, that is the use of the cryptoliths. To entice people to use/create the cryptoliths they have a minor other affect (seen in the story were Arlin Kord is first mentioned). The bigger question to ask is what effect is it being twisted for? We know that the Hedrions changed the leylines to seal away the eldrazi and that changing how the leylines worked let the eldrazi break free.
Thus my interpretation is that Nahiri is going to use the plane of innistrad's natural mana to summon/release something by using the modified leylines via the cryptoliths. As to if this something is the last known Eldrazi titan, or Lage, or the gitrog that remains to be seen. But it defiantly has something to do with the moon, and demons since the cryptoliths basically summon demons.
Indeed. Two posts. First (accompanied by the original art for Geist of Saint Traft):
"Can anybody help us summon this Geist? Even a fraction of his power could be a huge help right now!"
Then later:
"The power of Saint Traft surrounds us and abides in us all. Your invocation is working!"
Relevance? GoST's literal power is 2. A fraction of his power? Halves?
ETA: Never mind - new card spoiled is Invocation of Saint Traft. Probably of no relevance to this puzzle.