It will do better than scriviner or pain seer because of SOI's aggressive discard/madness meta is more fertile than Scriviners ever was, or pain seer's awkward untap.
Also, with a 3/1 body helps further the aggressiveness by being a good swinger, even if you're not in position to draw off of him.
kind of newer to card evaluation but is this not better than Dark Confidant
I really hate the "This card is not better than some $50 rare that was reprinted as a mythic and still costs around $40" comparisons. It's so annoying.
I can totally get behind this as a budget replacement in Modern Jund(given that you have the discard spells, which is easier since Thoughtseize was reprinted).
I think it's much better in 8 rack (if that's still a deck), yes I know it has "Anti-synergy" with ensnaring bridge, but I think that can be fixed without much trouble.
One thing to notice about this is that it doesn't share the same step as Blood Scrivener. So 12x Draw equals strong B/R burn. Even Lightning Strike and Searing Spear become good cards, and with Dark Confidant drawing removal first, you are well on your way and playing Char. Or you could even NOT play him and play Hit/Run, thus giving some good edge on how they have some power and toughness you'd prefer to crash though unopposed than have leave the field.
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It's not just good with Lili of the Veil, but also good against her. If I were playing Jund/Abzan midrange deck I might wanna think twice about discard.
On top of being a flavorful mechanic for this set, I can't help but wonder if Wizards are finding ways to curtail the Modern staple stranglehold, cards like Lili, goyf, tiago are being scrutinized and made a little less influential.
I've been thinking here, this dude is more different than Blood Scrivener than we've been giving credit for.
Blood Scrivener triggers from any draw, this dude triggers only on upkeeps.
multiple scriveners + empty hand = multiple goodness
multiple of this dude = redundant.
that being said, in a regular magic match, this dude is orders of magnitude stronger than Blood Scrivener, but he's far less abuseable if given the right tools.
If we go ahead and compare it to Dark Confidant, this little dude actually has a couple upsides.
for starters, it has 1 more power, which is VERY relevant.
but Dark Confidant has all the consistency on it's side, it will ALWAYS draw one extra card.
on the other side, this new dude can draw 2 cards each turn.
I'm here thinking this dude might end up seeing play on Pox or 8rack variants.
it refills your hand if you run out of gas and also draw some beef when your plan is already working to help end the game right away.
and does that while hitting face for 3 damage.
I'm normally very doubtful of "fixed Bobs", but this one seems really powerful, specially because it will be a 3/1 cantrip for 1B if you cast it against an opponent in topdeck mode.
all printed "bobs" until now would just be able to replace themselves if they survived a whole turn, this one can't be hit by sorcery removal until he's able to trigger once, and that's HUGE.
man, I'm pumped.... I'll have to get a playset of this dude
and maybe, I'll try playing it with Avaricious Dragon for the sake of it.
I am not a pro player, and am relatively new to magic. I started out with a b/w lifegain deck and a b/w control deck, and now I run a b/w token deck. I noticed everyone here is talking about Modern Jund...I am wondering if this card would work in a b/w token deck? I mean, my b/w token deck focuses on attacking my opponent's hand with the same cards as Jund does, only I also carry some exiles to boot. Would this card make sense?
multiple scriveners + empty hand = multiple goodness
multiple of this dude = redundant.
Actually, "multiple of this dude" will still draw multiple cards for you on your opponent's turn if their hand is empty. You are correct though that you are limited to one draw from multiples on your own turn.
Madness really seems almost redundant here. It's at its strongest when it's giving you a discount on your dudes. This has the same cost and Madness cost, which means it's a fine discard to a loot or another discard activation, but it's not 100% necessary.
I think the Madness is there to suggest playing it in a deck with discard outlets so you can ditch cards in your hand that you can't play, like expensive spells or those 3 other lands. This lets you draw bonus cards more reliably.
kind of newer to card evaluation but is this not better than Dark Confidant
No, this is not near the power level of Dark Confidant. It's only good in topdeck mode or in Madness/discard-heavy decks. The amount of time any player spends in a game with 0 cards in hand is minimal, and you'd better hope it's your opponent. If it is, you're already winning.
Good thing Madness-heavy decks are exactly what this was designed for. Heir of Falkenrath's got competition for the 2-drop slot in BR Mad Vampire aggro. Oh, who are we kidding? Run both of them.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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It's dangerous to compare this to Dark Confidant as Dark Confidant excels in midrange/control decks but is a similarity. Dark Confidant keeps your hand filled with options to remove threats as they arise. This cannot be used premptively. Blood Scrivener is basically a "oh no I dumped my hand and now I need to refuel card" but if you have no cards in hand there is a huge target painted on it's head since your opponent now knows there is nothing to play around and they are in total control. The part that makes this card stand out is that it can trigger off of your opponent having no cards in hand. This card can function completely differently than Blood Scrivener as you can use it to maintain your advantage. In the right deck you can get your opponent to 0 cards in hand which means they can't remove Asylum Visitor and you can still have interaction left in your hand. This makes it sort of similar to dark confidant but it is important to recognize the confidant can be played turn 2 and immediately start drawing you cards which is much better than a late game only draw engine. When it comes to you having no cards in hand it is almost strictly better than Blood Scrivener obviously they are different tribes, and one triggers on any draw but generally if you hellbent then you don't have a way to draw cards. So the two questions that need to be asked are if madness and 1 more power make Blood Scrivener playable, and is there a place for a card like this in discard decks. I would argue that the madness and 3 power put it strongly into playable territory. At the very least madness allows it to be played as if it had flash, the best case is that it negates a discard from liliana of the veil or a similar effect. As a 3/1 for 2 with madness it should already be playable in the right decks so the other ability should push it into a standard regular as well as a fringe modern card. Don't expect it to dethrone bob but a few decks will be able to abuse it.
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I also see a potential home for it in 8 rack or some variant.
We are already talking about it in the 8rack thread.
And it has some sweet synergy with Kolaghan's Command that a few of us run in BR 8rackdos.
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It will do better than scriviner or pain seer because of SOI's aggressive discard/madness meta is more fertile than Scriviners ever was, or pain seer's awkward untap.
Also, with a 3/1 body helps further the aggressiveness by being a good swinger, even if you're not in position to draw off of him.
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Looks like Mad Prophet is right.
T2: Asylum Visitor
T3: Olivia, Mobilized for War
T4: Avaricious Dragon, discard, swing 8 in the air
T5: Draw three cards, 1 off of Visitor and 2 off of Dragon
Seem decent?
T1: Falkenrath Gorger
T2: Swing for 2 then play Heir of Falkenrath/Ravenous Bloodseeker
T3: Discard and cast Incorrigible Youths Swing for 9
T4: Cast or in the case for Bloodseeker discard and cast Voldaren Duelist Swing for 12(lethal)
But it does show the deck could have many outs.
On top of being a flavorful mechanic for this set, I can't help but wonder if Wizards are finding ways to curtail the Modern staple stranglehold, cards like Lili, goyf, tiago are being scrutinized and made a little less influential.
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Blood Scrivener triggers from any draw, this dude triggers only on upkeeps.
multiple scriveners + empty hand = multiple goodness
multiple of this dude = redundant.
that being said, in a regular magic match, this dude is orders of magnitude stronger than Blood Scrivener, but he's far less abuseable if given the right tools.
If we go ahead and compare it to Dark Confidant, this little dude actually has a couple upsides.
for starters, it has 1 more power, which is VERY relevant.
but Dark Confidant has all the consistency on it's side, it will ALWAYS draw one extra card.
on the other side, this new dude can draw 2 cards each turn.
I'm here thinking this dude might end up seeing play on Pox or 8rack variants.
it refills your hand if you run out of gas and also draw some beef when your plan is already working to help end the game right away.
and does that while hitting face for 3 damage.
I'm normally very doubtful of "fixed Bobs", but this one seems really powerful, specially because it will be a 3/1 cantrip for 1B if you cast it against an opponent in topdeck mode.
all printed "bobs" until now would just be able to replace themselves if they survived a whole turn, this one can't be hit by sorcery removal until he's able to trigger once, and that's HUGE.
man, I'm pumped.... I'll have to get a playset of this dude
and maybe, I'll try playing it with Avaricious Dragon for the sake of it.
Actually, "multiple of this dude" will still draw multiple cards for you on your opponent's turn if their hand is empty. You are correct though that you are limited to one draw from multiples on your own turn.
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Good thing Madness-heavy decks are exactly what this was designed for. Heir of Falkenrath's got competition for the 2-drop slot in BR Mad Vampire aggro. Oh, who are we kidding? Run both of them.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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We are already talking about it in the 8rack thread.
And it has some sweet synergy with Kolaghan's Command that a few of us run in BR 8rackdos.
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