Thopter Assembly into this could be fun. Maybe not good, but certainly fun.
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Is 3$ way way way to low for a card like this? (That's what star city thinks it's worth.)
I'd say it's till way too high Just think about the card this way: you need 5 creatures on board to transform it. From what I know, having 5 creatures usually means you are already winning. Isn't this just a win-more card then? Or ever worse, since you are concentrating all your board presence int one card that can be easily taken care of? I know it has indestructible, but just look at how much exiling is being thrown around. And it can get sacrificed by cards like To the Slaughter. If you want to get it on board early on, why not just use your tempo advantage of 5 fast creatures? If you are using it as a finisher, isn't getting to 5 creatures a bit too much of loop-jumping when you could use a more direct finisher?
I think it's awesome for kitchen tables, but it's not a serious win condition. But what do I know, I haven't played standard for several years now.
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Is 3$ way way way to low for a card like this? (That's what star city thinks it's worth.)
I'd say it's till way too high Just think about the card this way: you need 5 creatures on board to transform it. From what I know, having 5 creatures usually means you are already winning. Isn't this just a win-more card then? Or ever worse, since you are concentrating all your board presence int one card that can be easily taken care of? I know it has indestructible, but just look at how much exiling is being thrown around. And it can get sacrificed by cards like To the Slaughter. If you want to get it on board early on, why not just use your tempo advantage of 5 fast creatures? If you are using it as a finisher, isn't getting to 5 creatures a bit too much of loop-jumping when you could use a more direct finisher?
I think it's awesome for kitchen tables, but it's not a serious win condition. But what do I know, I haven't played standard for several years now.
I can take that as a no.
It's not under price
I can can definitely understand what you mean but I want to bear this in mind
Don't forget about token senders (the ones that give creatures.)
Is 3$ way way way to low for a card like this? (That's what star city thinks it's worth.)
I'd say it's till way too high Just think about the card this way: you need 5 creatures on board to transform it. From what I know, having 5 creatures usually means you are already winning. Isn't this just a win-more card then? Or ever worse, since you are concentrating all your board presence int one card that can be easily taken care of? I know it has indestructible, but just look at how much exiling is being thrown around. And it can get sacrificed by cards like To the Slaughter. If you want to get it on board early on, why not just use your tempo advantage of 5 fast creatures? If you are using it as a finisher, isn't getting to 5 creatures a bit too much of loop-jumping when you could use a more direct finisher?
I think it's awesome for kitchen tables, but it's not a serious win condition. But what do I know, I haven't played standard for several years now.
I can take that as a no.
It's not under price
I can can definitely understand what you mean but I want to bear this in mind
Don't forget about token senders (the ones that give creatures.)
I know it will be IN The win area with that many creatures and also the flip is hard to do.
As I said, I'm not really in touch with current standard. And I didn't do any playtesting of the card. It's definitely better to have a big beater like this than 5 eldrazi scions, so we'll see. You are right in the fact that there are a lot of token producers around now. I just think the conditions you need to meet are too cumbersome.
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Playability aside, I don't really get the flavor, a building becomes a demon? I mean sure it's cool that you actually have a demon card, but it would probably be more flavorful if you sacrificed the creatures to search for the demon or put a demon token, the card obviously becomes worse, but I just don't get the flavor of a building becoming a demon, are you animating the building by sacrificing people? I just don't get it.
Demon was contained in that building and came out.
I'm not sure if sacrificing mean that some cultists called upon him, or just dead guards of mausoleum.
So the flavor is you sacrifice people and you get a monster house? Pass... the card might be very good thou.
The flavor text reads something like: "After the disappearance of Griselbrand, the Skirsdag cultists impatiently awaited another demon worthy of their devotion. Ormendahl had not let them wait long." I don't think it's too difficult to imagine the flavor of the card--it is called something like Abbey of the Eastern Vale. The Skirsdag Cult now occupies the High City of Thraben. (The Skirsdag are a demon-worshiping cult that is no stranger to blood-sacrifices.) On the eastern side of Thraben is none other than the Cathedral of Avacyn. This structure "Abbey of the Eastern Vale" *is* the Cathedral of Avacyn, or is a side-building. The cultists called upon a new demon to replace Griselbrand through a blood sacrifice. Enter Ormendahl, who appeared. It is not a "monster house"--the demon violently appeared in front of the abbey, where it was summoned. Very cool, flavorful card.
Again, that which you described is Sacrifice people, sacrifice the land (or destroy it or whatever), then get a demon token, this card has the cathedral literally transform into a demon, the flavor doesn't check out.
Or the demon was so powerful that its summoning destroyed the cathedral and now instead of worshiping at the abbey, the worship at the feet of their new demonic overlord.
Playability aside, I don't really get the flavor, a building becomes a demon? I mean sure it's cool that you actually have a demon card, but it would probably be more flavorful if you sacrificed the creatures to search for the demon or put a demon token, the card obviously becomes worse, but I just don't get the flavor of a building becoming a demon, are you animating the building by sacrificing people? I just don't get it.
Demon was contained in that building and came out.
I'm not sure if sacrificing mean that some cultists called upon him, or just dead guards of mausoleum.
So the flavor is you sacrifice people and you get a monster house? Pass... the card might be very good thou.
The flavor text reads something like: "After the disappearance of Griselbrand, the Skirsdag cultists impatiently awaited another demon worthy of their devotion. Ormendahl had not let them wait long." I don't think it's too difficult to imagine the flavor of the card--it is called something like Abbey of the Eastern Vale. The Skirsdag Cult now occupies the High City of Thraben. (The Skirsdag are a demon-worshiping cult that is no stranger to blood-sacrifices.) On the eastern side of Thraben is none other than the Cathedral of Avacyn. This structure "Abbey of the Eastern Vale" *is* the Cathedral of Avacyn, or is a side-building. The cultists called upon a new demon to replace Griselbrand through a blood sacrifice. Enter Ormendahl, who appeared. It is not a "monster house"--the demon violently appeared in front of the abbey, where it was summoned. Very cool, flavorful card.
Again, that which you described is Sacrifice people, sacrifice the land (or destroy it or whatever), then get a demon token, this card has the cathedral literally transform into a demon, the flavor doesn't check out.
If you guys look at the artwork, you'll see that the cathedral still exists and is in the background of Ormendahl, Profane Prince. So he's not a "monster house," just a summoned demon through death sacrifice that happens to be huge that destroyed a part of the Abbey where it was summoned. Almost, if not as big as an Eldrazi Titan or lesser Eldrazi Spawn.
Is 3$ way way way to low for a card like this? (That's what star city thinks it's worth.)
I can see why. I've been playtesting it in both my BW Control and Jund Zombie decks. By the time you have both the mana and the requisite number of creatures to transform him, you'd probably be better off just attacking with the creatures that you already have on the field. He is, however, good in situations against wrath effects.
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hmm aren't there creatures cards that have when this dies put a token creature on the field.
Could you use the creature it created for the sac as well? But I am 97% sure that the answer is no.
You would be correct. The sacs have to happen at the same time, you cant resolve a when this dies trigger while still resolving another
I figured but they are good sac targets though
Oh and one reason for underrated. true most likely to appear end game and likely you already won or lost but there's a likely chance it could be even grounds at the time. You have a ton they have a ton of creatures.
I don't know. I think $3 might be about right. It looks like it shot up overnight without any tournament results to back it at all. People have bought jank like Cosmic Larva out before. Yeah, I used to love Larva with Reckless Charge back in the day, though. Its drawback didn't matter if I killed you this second.
I don't know. I think $3 might be about right. It looks like it shot up overnight without any tournament results to back it at all. People have bought jank like Cosmic Larva out before. Yeah, I used to love Larva with Reckless Charge back in the day, though. Its drawback didn't matter if I killed you this second.
Why did shot up?
There aren't any reason for it... IT's not like it's a Marit Lage card...
Its trivial, Channel Fireball wrote an Article and said the land is "the best land in standard" ; and people use to follow these articles very very VERY deep down the speculation whirlpool.
For some cards it turned out totally true and its a self-fullfilling prophecy as hype for a card manifests if the prices go up more jump on it.
The land is really good non the less, but it depends if the land is a "mutavault" level of card or just a corner-case land for some decks (that might want that potential late-game trump card, a reasonable option for any eldrazi deck for sure, turning scions and the like into transforming the land, getting 1 hit in will be enough most of the time to finish someone, and even the "threat" to transform it, will ensure that people bank on removal and need to have a bounce ready, so you do not have to transform it at all, just threaten to do so).
I wouldnt say its worth the Hype, but the land is good for standard , probably meaningless for any older format.
So true. It'll fall after people open boxes.
It's a great land, and I personally love it. Going to need a few for standard and edh. But unless colorless starts working outside of eldrazi it will be a 2-3 of in decks that go wide for threat/finisher.
I'll be happy if I open one tonight, but I won't build my deck in hopes of popping it.
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Is 3$ way way way to low for a card like this? (That's what star city thinks it's worth.)
I'd say it's till way too high Just think about the card this way: you need 5 creatures on board to transform it. From what I know, having 5 creatures usually means you are already winning. Isn't this just a win-more card then? Or ever worse, since you are concentrating all your board presence int one card that can be easily taken care of? I know it has indestructible, but just look at how much exiling is being thrown around. And it can get sacrificed by cards like To the Slaughter. If you want to get it on board early on, why not just use your tempo advantage of 5 fast creatures? If you are using it as a finisher, isn't getting to 5 creatures a bit too much of loop-jumping when you could use a more direct finisher?
I think it's awesome for kitchen tables, but it's not a serious win condition. But what do I know, I haven't played standard for several years now.
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I can take that as a no.
It's not under price
I can can definitely understand what you mean but I want to bear this in mind
Don't forget about token senders (the ones that give creatures.)
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I know it will be IN The win area with that many creatures and also the flip is hard to do.
As I said, I'm not really in touch with current standard. And I didn't do any playtesting of the card. It's definitely better to have a big beater like this than 5 eldrazi scions, so we'll see. You are right in the fact that there are a lot of token producers around now. I just think the conditions you need to meet are too cumbersome.
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If you guys look at the artwork, you'll see that the cathedral still exists and is in the background of Ormendahl, Profane Prince. So he's not a "monster house," just a summoned demon through death sacrifice that happens to be huge that destroyed a part of the Abbey where it was summoned. Almost, if not as big as an Eldrazi Titan or lesser Eldrazi Spawn.
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I can see why. I've been playtesting it in both my BW Control and Jund Zombie decks. By the time you have both the mana and the requisite number of creatures to transform him, you'd probably be better off just attacking with the creatures that you already have on the field. He is, however, good in situations against wrath effects.
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To an extent since Demon of Death's Gate still has that alternate cost which allows it to be dropped quicker and leaves mana open.
Could you use the creature it created for the sac as well? But I am 97% sure that the answer is no.
I figured but they are good sac targets though
Oh and one reason for underrated. true most likely to appear end game and likely you already won or lost but there's a likely chance it could be even grounds at the time. You have a ton they have a ton of creatures.
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There are ways to get lots of creatures out, but yeah, at that point you don't really need the Abbey.
It's now 18$ now
See I knew 3$ was way to low for it before.
Its trivial, Channel Fireball wrote an Article and said the land is "the best land in standard" ; and people use to follow these articles very very VERY deep down the speculation whirlpool.
For some cards it turned out totally true and its a self-fullfilling prophecy as hype for a card manifests if the prices go up more jump on it.
The land is really good non the less, but it depends if the land is a "mutavault" level of card or just a corner-case land for some decks (that might want that potential late-game trump card, a reasonable option for any eldrazi deck for sure, turning scions and the like into transforming the land, getting 1 hit in will be enough most of the time to finish someone, and even the "threat" to transform it, will ensure that people bank on removal and need to have a bounce ready, so you do not have to transform it at all, just threaten to do so).
I wouldnt say its worth the Hype, but the land is good for standard , probably meaningless for any older format.
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It's a great land, and I personally love it. Going to need a few for standard and edh. But unless colorless starts working outside of eldrazi it will be a 2-3 of in decks that go wide for threat/finisher.
I'll be happy if I open one tonight, but I won't build my deck in hopes of popping it.