The actual answer is "we don't know yet", as last we saw of nahiri she was planeswalking away from zendikar to find her friend sorin. She didn't give any indication at the time that she was angry at Sorin, so we have to presume something happened between that point and when sorin is told to seek her out, and feels guilty over it. It will likely be revealed in a Magic Story on the website sooner or later.
For a moment, I thought that it was only the caster who got the clue tokens and thought it was straight up too ridiculous (even coming from a fan of white removal). Then a second read brought back sanity to the world and I give it a big thumbs up. I still need my playset.
Or it could be the centuries alone encased in stone listening to the Eldrazi staining Zendikar as they were trying to break free; and then neither Ugin nor Sorin appearing when they finally did the first time, leaving Nahiri alone to re-seal ancient horrors that required 3 Planeswalkers to seal.
Or, you could just assume the most base, cynical, misogynistic scenario possible. Whatever floats your boat.
Or it could be the centuries alone encased in stone listening to the Eldrazi staining Zendikar as they were trying to break free; and then neither Ugin nor Sorin appearing when they finally did the first time, leaving Nahiri alone to re-seal ancient horrors that required 3 Planeswalkers to seal.
Or, you could just assume the most base, cynical, misogynistic scenario possible. Whatever floats your boat.
She's tearing up Innistrad in a way that is far more destructive than is necessary out of revenge for Zendikar's maiming by the Eldrazi.
She's really angry, as evidenced by the above.
And she's legitimately a female friend of Sorin's (or was).
Does any of that make you feel like an ass for blindly throwing the misogyny card?
DotMatrix: While I don't agree with the misogyny argument, I haven't seen anything out of Nahiri that is disproportionate to what happened to Zendikar.
If Nahiri blames Sorin for the Eldrazi rampage on Zendikar, she blames him, at the very least, for the murder of entire continents worth of people, and quite possibly for the utter ruin of Zendikar.
The only direct evidence we have that Nahiri's done is kill an undefined number of Vampires in a specific location in Innistrad (Markov Manor).
I'd rank fusing the Markov family into the stonework of the Manor as being far more calculated, deliberate, and consciously malicious than the Eldrazi, as destructive as they are. Which is saying something considering the scale of damage the Eldrazi have inflicted utterly eclipses Nahiri's stunt.
Also considering the flavor text for Structural Distortion, she seems dead set on going all "eye for an eye" over the issue. There's holding people accountable for the prison system they helped implement, and then there's shredding up their home planes as if loss of life makes everything even.
Solid removal. But we all said that when Chained to the Rocks was spoiled, and that's only a 41 cent rare. Good is one thing; but valuable monetary-wise, we'll just have to see how it pans out over time.
DotMatrix: Precisely. She is going 'eye for an eye', which is quite literally not disproportionate retribution, ipso facto.
Her attitude is, 'You destroyed my plane. I'm destroying yours.'
How is this disproportionate? Her revenge may be misplaced, but her actual goals are proportionate.
Disproportionate retribution would be to destroy every plane Sorin's touched.
I should've actually remembered in the prior post that I didn't describe it as disproportionate, but rather "far more destructive than is necessary."
But that's a bit too late, so I'll argue this:
Proportionate would've been undermining whatever counts for an imprisonment system for keeping dangerous undesirables from being out loose in the open on Innistrad. Break down the asylum doors, stoke the madness of the land, aggravate a problem and force those who are accountable to be accountable, because someone failed to be accountable for keeping the Eldrazi imprisoned back on Zendikar and that cost people's lives.
Instead she just opts for parity of end result instead, and that to me is like saying a natural disaster gives you the justification to go on a murdering spree directed at anyone with even the slightest relation to who lives on the same planet as someone connected with preventing such disasters.
I guess we have different definitions of 'proportionate'.
You act like there's some kind of 'justice system' for PWs. There isn't. They live in a Multiverse where Might makes Right. (Interestingly, the Gatewatch is about the only organization that could.)
In that event, what you might consider a 'reasonable response' is quite markedly different.
If someone promised to help prevent an extinction-level event after ensuring that if it occurred, it would affect where you lived and not where they lived, and then they didn't help you, that isn't a 'natural disaster' scenario. And I repeat, who else is she supposed to go to for redress?
Proportionate would've been undermining whatever counts for an imprisonment system for keeping dangerous undesirables from being out loose in the open on Innistrad. Break down the asylum doors, stoke the madness of the land, aggravate a problem and force those who are accountable to be accountable, because someone failed to be accountable for keeping the Eldrazi imprisoned back on Zendikar and that cost people's lives.
It's possible Nahiri has done exactly that. Personally murdering Sorin's family is just personal satisfaction since she couldn't find Sorin.
Instead she just opts for parity of end result instead, and that to me is like saying a natural disaster gives you the justification to go on a murdering spree directed at anyone with even the slightest relation to who lives on the same planet as someone connected with preventing such disasters.
But the Eldrazi weren't a natural disaster. Sorin brought them to Zendikar and promised that if the prison weakened he'd be there to help Nahiri protect her home. Obviously murdering innocent(ish) people still isn't justified but I'm going to assume that being betrayed (twice) and witnessing the near destruction of an entire world has unhinged her a little bit. Remember also that Nahiri and Sorin used to be effectively gods so her perspective is probably warped.
Solid removal. But we all said that when Chained to the Rocks was spoiled, and that's only a 41 cent rare. Good is one thing; but valuable monetary-wise, we'll just have to see how it pans out over time.
Chain on the rocks is rarity creep journey to nowhere. It was only good because Sacred Foundary was in Standard. At least with this card it nukes everything with the same name and leaves you alone. So you and your opponent both have 3 Soldier tokens. You can just blast them into oblivion and swing with your guys. No clue either due to the nontoken clause. The sorcery part does hurt it though so it probably won't be as expensive as Hero'S downfall but given the nature of how bad removal has been lately it will find a home in Standard.
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To the people that say that a card needs to be a higher rarity because of Limited... I hate you guys so much. I present to you with this.
Awesome Removal ! This can be so devestating for a mere 2 mana. i will include this in my White Decks in Modern. Of Course along with Path. When was the last time we had such efficient Removal ?
I'd challenge the notion that the Eldrazi aren't a natural disaster.
On one hand them being locked up in Zendikar does artificially manipulate the spread of their destruction, on the other hand their existence is so above the physical realm that it is difficult to evaluate the morality of their actions, if there even is one. They exist, and they consume, and not even Ugin is really sure what purpose if any the Eldrazi have in the ecosystem of the multiverse. Left to their own devices, there is sufficient evidence (or perhaps more accurately, a lack of sufficient evidence) to deem the Eldrazi in a vacuum to be a natural disaster. To this I will concede that in the event of their release from the Hedron network, the disaster they bring about isn't quite natural. It is, however, not quite deliberate.
In all of this, I do admit my priority is kinda difficult to focus on: accountability for planeswalkers is nonexistent, the Gatewatch has only just been formed and from a meta perspective that means it'll take a year or so before the narrative decides to indulge on superhero accountability issues. Sorin failed to pick up, and Nahiri wants answers. Guess she'll do it however she wants, Planeswalker powers yo.
Also thinking about it Nahiri's choice of ruining Markov Manor probably does speak a lot about how little she really knows Sorin, since if I recall right he's not been on speaking terms with his family for ages.
Sweet mercy, this has to be the best removal spell white has gotten in a long, long time. Yes the opponent gets card advantage, but you just hosed x amount of kitchen finks, melira, recurring zombie madness, etc. I feel like my buy list for the pre-release is getting larger by the minute.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
DotMatrix: Oh, I can agree that the Eldrazi are kind of a walking natural disaster.
However, the issue is not the Eldrazi themselves, but the deal that the three made.
Consider a moving 'natural disaster' such as the Eldrazi. If I agree that we should keep it contained on your planet, not mine, but if it ever gets close to occurring, I'll come and help you, and then renege on the deal and the supervolcano blows up, you have a serious grievance.
(This is actually very akin to the plot of the Star Trek reboot, except that Sorin is more culpable than Spock was.)
Thing is, I don't think that Nahiri knows that the Titans were stopped. Frankly, there isn't time in the story for her to know this and be doing whatever she's doing on Innistrad. Therefore, I don't think she's right to attack Sorin, but I also don't think that her actions are disproportionate given what she thinks.
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it's all i can do to not hear awaken my masters playing while the olivia, edgar, and the other vampire lord all pose together.
Nahiri is a PreMending Planeswalker. The Mending caused a change in the nature of the spark which means they aren't God-like beings anymore and can age and die. Nahiri is still alive despite being thousands of years old, which means there must be something else going on with her.
Or it could be the centuries alone encased in stone listening to the Eldrazi staining Zendikar as they were trying to break free; and then neither Ugin nor Sorin appearing when they finally did the first time, leaving Nahiri alone to re-seal ancient horrors that required 3 Planeswalkers to seal.
Or, you could just assume the most base, cynical, misogynistic scenario possible. Whatever floats your boat.
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She's tearing up Innistrad in a way that is far more destructive than is necessary out of revenge for Zendikar's maiming by the Eldrazi.
She's really angry, as evidenced by the above.
And she's legitimately a female friend of Sorin's (or was).
Does any of that make you feel like an ass for blindly throwing the misogyny card?
If Nahiri blames Sorin for the Eldrazi rampage on Zendikar, she blames him, at the very least, for the murder of entire continents worth of people, and quite possibly for the utter ruin of Zendikar.
The only direct evidence we have that Nahiri's done is kill an undefined number of Vampires in a specific location in Innistrad (Markov Manor).
I do not see what's disproportionate about that.
Also considering the flavor text for Structural Distortion, she seems dead set on going all "eye for an eye" over the issue. There's holding people accountable for the prison system they helped implement, and then there's shredding up their home planes as if loss of life makes everything even.
Her attitude is, 'You destroyed my plane. I'm destroying yours.'
How is this disproportionate? Her revenge may be misplaced, but her actual goals are proportionate.
Disproportionate retribution would be to destroy every plane Sorin's touched.
I should've actually remembered in the prior post that I didn't describe it as disproportionate, but rather "far more destructive than is necessary."
But that's a bit too late, so I'll argue this:
Proportionate would've been undermining whatever counts for an imprisonment system for keeping dangerous undesirables from being out loose in the open on Innistrad. Break down the asylum doors, stoke the madness of the land, aggravate a problem and force those who are accountable to be accountable, because someone failed to be accountable for keeping the Eldrazi imprisoned back on Zendikar and that cost people's lives.
Instead she just opts for parity of end result instead, and that to me is like saying a natural disaster gives you the justification to go on a murdering spree directed at anyone
with even the slightest relation towho lives on the same planet as someone connected with preventing such disasters.You act like there's some kind of 'justice system' for PWs. There isn't. They live in a Multiverse where Might makes Right. (Interestingly, the Gatewatch is about the only organization that could.)
In that event, what you might consider a 'reasonable response' is quite markedly different.
If someone promised to help prevent an extinction-level event after ensuring that if it occurred, it would affect where you lived and not where they lived, and then they didn't help you, that isn't a 'natural disaster' scenario. And I repeat, who else is she supposed to go to for redress?
It's possible Nahiri has done exactly that. Personally murdering Sorin's family is just personal satisfaction since she couldn't find Sorin.
But the Eldrazi weren't a natural disaster. Sorin brought them to Zendikar and promised that if the prison weakened he'd be there to help Nahiri protect her home. Obviously murdering innocent(ish) people still isn't justified but I'm going to assume that being betrayed (twice) and witnessing the near destruction of an entire world has unhinged her a little bit. Remember also that Nahiri and Sorin used to be effectively gods so her perspective is probably warped.
Chain on the rocks is rarity creep journey to nowhere. It was only good because Sacred Foundary was in Standard. At least with this card it nukes everything with the same name and leaves you alone. So you and your opponent both have 3 Soldier tokens. You can just blast them into oblivion and swing with your guys. No clue either due to the nontoken clause. The sorcery part does hurt it though so it probably won't be as expensive as Hero'S downfall but given the nature of how bad removal has been lately it will find a home in Standard.
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On one hand them being locked up in Zendikar does artificially manipulate the spread of their destruction, on the other hand their existence is so above the physical realm that it is difficult to evaluate the morality of their actions, if there even is one. They exist, and they consume, and not even Ugin is really sure what purpose if any the Eldrazi have in the ecosystem of the multiverse. Left to their own devices, there is sufficient evidence (or perhaps more accurately, a lack of sufficient evidence) to deem the Eldrazi in a vacuum to be a natural disaster. To this I will concede that in the event of their release from the Hedron network, the disaster they bring about isn't quite natural. It is, however, not quite deliberate.
In all of this, I do admit my priority is kinda difficult to focus on: accountability for planeswalkers is nonexistent, the Gatewatch has only just been formed and from a meta perspective that means it'll take a year or so before the narrative decides to indulge on superhero accountability issues. Sorin failed to pick up, and Nahiri wants answers. Guess she'll do it however she wants, Planeswalker powers yo.
Also thinking about it Nahiri's choice of ruining Markov Manor probably does speak a lot about how little she really knows Sorin, since if I recall right he's not been on speaking terms with his family for ages.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
However, the issue is not the Eldrazi themselves, but the deal that the three made.
Consider a moving 'natural disaster' such as the Eldrazi. If I agree that we should keep it contained on your planet, not mine, but if it ever gets close to occurring, I'll come and help you, and then renege on the deal and the supervolcano blows up, you have a serious grievance.
(This is actually very akin to the plot of the Star Trek reboot, except that Sorin is more culpable than Spock was.)
Thing is, I don't think that Nahiri knows that the Titans were stopped. Frankly, there isn't time in the story for her to know this and be doing whatever she's doing on Innistrad. Therefore, I don't think she's right to attack Sorin, but I also don't think that her actions are disproportionate given what she thinks.
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it's all i can do to not hear awaken my masters playing while the olivia, edgar, and the other vampire lord all pose together.
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Nahiri is a PreMending Planeswalker. The Mending caused a change in the nature of the spark which means they aren't God-like beings anymore and can age and die. Nahiri is still alive despite being thousands of years old, which means there must be something else going on with her.
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