I could see Mirari's Wake taking the place of Mirari since it's still a notable card both for story and gameplay reasons.
That would be the most logical choice between the two when it comes to Mirari, even if it was in Conspiracy. I guess Memnarch is also the Mirari, but I can't see him over Mirari's Wake.
I could see him alongside MW considering he was a major villain. I think these are some good choices for Lore:
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I have always wondered what the heck Ajani was doing on the picture.
Being too late to save her? All I know is that he was helping her and unfortunately didn't succeed, ultimately.
Ajani really is the Davos Seaworth of MTG. He was reckless in his youth but became lawful later. Now he just wants to help people he believes are good, but they get killed by some god while he is unable to save them...
Also, Vojak is 1) too close to Voja, and 2) It is LITERALLY a Czech word for "soldier". The "wojek" on Ravnica were inspired by Polish "wojak", that have the same etymology. You would expect such name on Ravnica, not on Viking world.
Basandra sounded like a pretty dumb name too, yet she exists.
Voja and Wojek... so many memories... yet you think nowadays players know these thing? Wojek was only on one card in the RTR block, and Voja was simply forgotten. I don't think it's a big issue having a Vojak then.
Doesn't really matter now that we know that the fall set is Kaladesh
You are sadly right in the fact that original Ravnica intentionally used names and terms inspired by real Slavic words (Devkarin) or outright being real Slavic words (Ravnica, Utvara, wojek, matka, pendrek, Kraj), whereas the second time around, they were far less true and far less creative.
The point is, they very scarcely use so much similar names, and they would definitely not use such name in either Viking (then speculated) or Indian (now known) setting.
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Also, Vojak is 1) too close to Voja, and 2) It is LITERALLY a Czech word for "soldier". The "wojek" on Ravnica were inspired by Polish "wojak", that have the same etymology. You would expect such name on Ravnica, not on Viking world.
Basandra sounded like a pretty dumb name too, yet she exists.
Voja and Wojek... so many memories... yet you think nowadays players know these thing? Wojek was only on one card in the RTR block, and Voja was simply forgotten. I don't think it's a big issue having a Vojak then.
Doesn't really matter now that we know that the fall set is Kaladesh
You are sadly right in the fact that original Ravnica intentionally used names and terms inspired by real Slavic words (Devkarin) or outright being real Slavic words (Ravnica, Utvara, wojek, matka, pendrek, Kraj), whereas the second time around, they were far less true and far less creative.
The point is, they very scarcely use so much similar names, and they would definitely not use such name in either Viking (then speculated) or Indian (now known) setting.
Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
I want to say this is sad, but in truth, it is reprehensible.
You would think the huge overlap in Magic players and anime fans would have seen Kamigawa better received than it was.
I guess the sad truth is that many anime fans don't really bother to learn or care about the culture behind it.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
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Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
I want to say this is sad, but in truth, it is reprehensible.
You would think the huge overlap in Magic players and anime fans would have seen Kamigawa better received than it was.
I guess the sad truth is that many anime fans don't really bother to learn or care about the culture behind it.
Is the overlap really that big? Especially in the hyper-casual side of things.
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The Kami won the war, but after a few thouaand gwnerations, the moonfolk and humans look to the dwindling Akki populations to help them win a new war, one taken to the heavens with Akki riggers building contraptions called Gundams....
Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
I want to say this is sad, but in truth, it is reprehensible.
You would think the huge overlap in Magic players and anime fans would have seen Kamigawa better received than it was.
I guess the sad truth is that many anime fans don't really bother to learn or care about the culture behind it.
To be fair, Kamigawa leaned more towards Shinto than Japan World. Which it could easily be both. Actually, I think there has been a huge surge in MTG players because of Commander and especially around 2011, where a lot of players abandoned YGO (I was among them) and made the jump to MTG. This had a lot to do with YGO being trash, but also because of the rising popularity of Commander at the time (and it continues to grow) which offered the casual environment YGO has always lacked. That said, I wouldn't be quick to assign too much of Kamigawa's modern success to simply having many Legendary Creatures, as Maro would. I just think in the moment, viewing Kamigawa arriving relatively underpowered after the set that almost destroyed MTG… it was difficult to like Kamigawa in situ. But in hindsight, it had some amazing, sometimes absurd cards that are golden in EDH and beyond. The flavor was a home run and really grew on people, especially migrates from YGO who all have Kamigawa themed decks, including me, in my local area.
I think what made Kamigawa unpopular flavor-wise is the same as Eldrazi fatigue. Awkward Kami art that felt very abstract. A return would ideally focus on tribes such as Moonfolk, Ninjas, Kitsune, etc.
We still know nothing about green in Kaladesh. The "indians" could be only in the city, while angry, savage barbarians could be in the forests
Sigh...okay,so once more,since now you seem to argue just for the sake of arguing : "Vojak" is 1) specific name with a clear meaning in my mother language 2) super-close to already used Voja.
In my opinion,the list is improbable for reasons stated before,Vojak is a made-up name. That is all I am going to say on that matter.
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Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
I want to say this is sad, but in truth, it is reprehensible.
You would think the huge overlap in Magic players and anime fans would have seen Kamigawa better received than it was.
I guess the sad truth is that many anime fans don't really bother to learn or care about the culture behind it.
There's also the parts of Japanese myth and culture most people find cool, fun, and interesting. "Accurate Sengoku period Japanese myth" doesn't resonate with the majority of players as much as "Samurai, Ninja, Kitsune, Oni, Katanas, etc." And that's not the players' fault; that's simply a result of what aspects of Japanese culture appeal most to audiences. Samurai and Ninja are cool and iconic; freaky obscure Kami, not so much. To assert that an anime fan should also be a Japanese history buff is, quite frankly, arrogant.
There's also the fact Kamigawa block was a failure in mechanics with the exceptions of Ninjutsu and Bushido. Again, not the players' fault. MTGSers here seem to forget they're often in the proverbial 10% demographics-wise.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I hope it's not tuktuk. It would be kind of anti-climatic since that token already exists.
I hope it isn't marrit lage for the same reasons. I already have that token. I want a Kaldara token. I even think they don't have to reprint a single piece of the cycle just the token. All three pieces of equipment already have premium versions from prerelease on those.
The token has to be connected to one or more cards in the FtV. Otherwise would be poor business practice.
Dark Depths and the Kaldra gear are the two most obvious candidates, though Tolsimir Wolfblood does have his Voja token. But that would be massively underwhelming compared to Marit Lage or Kaldra. At this point, I'm guessing it's Dark Depths and Marit Lage both for the sake of leaving room for more cards and because while Kaldra might be notable for Mirrodin block, Marit Lage has far more history and is without a doubt the more impressive token.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
There's also the fact Kamigawa block was a failure in mechanics with the exceptions of Ninjutsu and Bushido. Again, not the players' fault. MTGSers here seem to forget they're often in the proverbial 10% demographics-wise.
I'm sure Ulgrotha or Rabiah or Kamigawa in a new set would be well received if the set had lots of good stuff in it. Spikes (the group that whines loudest and get's the most attention) would buy a set based on McDonaldland if the cards were good.
There's also the fact Kamigawa block was a failure in mechanics with the exceptions of Ninjutsu and Bushido.
Offering was also good, if sadly underused.
It had potential, but it was overly complicated between requiring a specific tribe (and not the tribe with Soulshift) and adding flash casting which is really unnecessary. It should have been a simple, straightforward "You may sacrifice a creature as you cast this. If you do, the sacrificed creature pays for an amount of mana equal to its mana cost. Mana cost includes color" or even something similar to Emerge.
There's also the fact Kamigawa block was a failure in mechanics with the exceptions of Ninjutsu and Bushido. Again, not the players' fault. MTGSers here seem to forget they're often in the proverbial 10% demographics-wise.
I'm sure Ulgrotha or Rabiah or Kamigawa in a new set would be well received if the set had lots of good stuff in it. Spikes (the group that whines loudest and get's the most attention) would buy a set based on McDonaldland if the cards were good.
I won't argue the vocality of certain Spikes, but unless such a set was silver border, it wouldn't sell nearly well enough even if it had the most broken cards since Mirrodin block. Those vocal Spikes are not a large fraction.
Aso remember that not all Spikes are competitive. Some like to prove their knowledge of Magic's story, and would absolutely balk at what they'd perceive as a blatant slap to the face of longterm canon (when they aren't complaining about Jace and other aspects of Modern Magic as it is).
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
We still know nothing about green in Kaladesh. The "indians" could be only in the city, while angry, savage barbarians could be in the forests
Sigh...okay,so once more,since now you seem to argue just for the sake of arguing : "Vojak" is 1) specific name with a clear meaning in my mother language 2) super-close to already used Voja.
In my opinion,the list is improbable for reasons stated before,Vojak is a made-up name. That is all I am going to say on that matter.
Hasn't stopped them before. Omnath, Nath. Oros, Vorosh
Probably not going to happen, but just remembered Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang. It'll by no means be the most ideal choice, but a cool blue spirit dragon token could potentially be a cool addition.
Aso remember that not all Spikes are competitive. Some like to prove their knowledge of Magic's story, and would absolutely balk at what they'd perceive as a blatant slap to the face of longterm canon (when they aren't complaining about Jace and other aspects of Modern Magic as it is).
Judgement is Odyssey block (odyssey, torment, judgement). Onslaught block is that, legions and scourge.
I could see him alongside MW considering he was a major villain. I think these are some good choices for Lore:
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Karn Liberated is a story important event as he was central to the older storylines up to the rise of New Phyrexia.
Maybe we could finally get a random card with new art that depicts the dying moment of Elspheth or Venser.
There will probably be something Eldrazi related because it's been a part of the story since 2010, and an overarching plot since Ugin's rebirth.
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For Elspeth they already have the art, it would fit perfectly with Hero's Downfall.
Being too late to save her? All I know is that he was helping her and unfortunately didn't succeed, ultimately.
Doesn't really matter now that we know that the fall set is Kaladesh
You are sadly right in the fact that original Ravnica intentionally used names and terms inspired by real Slavic words (Devkarin) or outright being real Slavic words (Ravnica, Utvara, wojek, matka, pendrek, Kraj), whereas the second time around, they were far less true and far less creative.
The point is, they very scarcely use so much similar names, and they would definitely not use such name in either Viking (then speculated) or Indian (now known) setting.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Same issue with Kamigawa. Mtg players are not good at 'getting' cultural influences. It apparently confuses them when things aren't westernized enough.
I want to say this is sad, but in truth, it is reprehensible.
You would think the huge overlap in Magic players and anime fans would have seen Kamigawa better received than it was.
I guess the sad truth is that many anime fans don't really bother to learn or care about the culture behind it.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Is the overlap really that big? Especially in the hyper-casual side of things.
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
The Kami won the war, but after a few thouaand gwnerations, the moonfolk and humans look to the dwindling Akki populations to help them win a new war, one taken to the heavens with Akki riggers building contraptions called Gundams....
I think what made Kamigawa unpopular flavor-wise is the same as Eldrazi fatigue. Awkward Kami art that felt very abstract. A return would ideally focus on tribes such as Moonfolk, Ninjas, Kitsune, etc.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Sigh...okay,so once more,since now you seem to argue just for the sake of arguing : "Vojak" is 1) specific name with a clear meaning in my mother language 2) super-close to already used Voja.
In my opinion,the list is improbable for reasons stated before,Vojak is a made-up name. That is all I am going to say on that matter.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
I hope it's not tuktuk. It would be kind of anti-climatic since that token already exists.
There's also the parts of Japanese myth and culture most people find cool, fun, and interesting. "Accurate Sengoku period Japanese myth" doesn't resonate with the majority of players as much as "Samurai, Ninja, Kitsune, Oni, Katanas, etc." And that's not the players' fault; that's simply a result of what aspects of Japanese culture appeal most to audiences. Samurai and Ninja are cool and iconic; freaky obscure Kami, not so much. To assert that an anime fan should also be a Japanese history buff is, quite frankly, arrogant.
There's also the fact Kamigawa block was a failure in mechanics with the exceptions of Ninjutsu and Bushido. Again, not the players' fault. MTGSers here seem to forget they're often in the proverbial 10% demographics-wise.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I hope it isn't marrit lage for the same reasons. I already have that token. I want a Kaldara token. I even think they don't have to reprint a single piece of the cycle just the token. All three pieces of equipment already have premium versions from prerelease on those.
Dark Depths and the Kaldra gear are the two most obvious candidates, though Tolsimir Wolfblood does have his Voja token. But that would be massively underwhelming compared to Marit Lage or Kaldra. At this point, I'm guessing it's Dark Depths and Marit Lage both for the sake of leaving room for more cards and because while Kaldra might be notable for Mirrodin block, Marit Lage has far more history and is without a doubt the more impressive token.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I'm sure Ulgrotha or Rabiah or Kamigawa in a new set would be well received if the set had lots of good stuff in it. Spikes (the group that whines loudest and get's the most attention) would buy a set based on McDonaldland if the cards were good.
It had potential, but it was overly complicated between requiring a specific tribe (and not the tribe with Soulshift) and adding flash casting which is really unnecessary. It should have been a simple, straightforward "You may sacrifice a creature as you cast this. If you do, the sacrificed creature pays for an amount of mana equal to its mana cost. Mana cost includes color" or even something similar to Emerge.
I won't argue the vocality of certain Spikes, but unless such a set was silver border, it wouldn't sell nearly well enough even if it had the most broken cards since Mirrodin block. Those vocal Spikes are not a large fraction.
Aso remember that not all Spikes are competitive. Some like to prove their knowledge of Magic's story, and would absolutely balk at what they'd perceive as a blatant slap to the face of longterm canon (when they aren't complaining about Jace and other aspects of Modern Magic as it is).
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
**** yeah, I would. If Ronald McDonald was undercosted and Modern playable, I'd pick up a playset in a heartbeat.
Hasn't stopped them before. Omnath, Nath. Oros, Vorosh
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Squee, Goblin of AwesomenessR
Nekusar, the Mindblazer!UBR
Vela the NightcladUB
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Concerning when returning to Kamigawa would be acceptable
Yes, I meant non-Vorthos Spikes.