Do you think this conspiracy is good for anything else than draft? Like constructed?
I think the last one had stuff like Stifle and Swords to Plowshares. Some of the new cards made eternal formats if only for a little bit. I don't know if they are still being played but I think they are.
Stifle, StP, Exploration, Misdirection, Council's Judgement, Dack Fayden are some notables. By definition, nothing for Modern (unless they're reprints), but if CNS1 was an indication there should be some cool new things and reprints for legacy/vintage/commander.
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Sadly with products like this they tend to just give the entire list out a few days before. They are worried it will take focus away from the standard products.
And their worries are probably justified. Now that everything's branded as too powerful for wizards sandbox that is standard, we can only get quality reprints as either judge promos or via eternal masters or conspiracy-type products.
Yeah, I mean, its not like the 10 most played cards in Modern were reprinted in the last two blocks or anything...
10 most played reprints as in the 5 ons fetches and the 5 basic lands?
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
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Sadly with products like this they tend to just give the entire list out a few days before. They are worried it will take focus away from the standard products.
And their worries are probably justified. Now that everything's branded as too powerful for wizards sandbox that is standard, we can only get quality reprints as either judge promos or via eternal masters or conspiracy-type products.
Yeah, I mean, its not like the 10 most played cards in Modern were reprinted in the last two blocks or anything...
10 most played reprints as in the 5 ons fetches and the 5 basic lands?
I don't know if you're just joking or really desperately trying to troll me dude. I meant reprint in a way that actually has an impact on the market, resulting in a lower price and increased availability. Printing fetchland expeditions was nothing more than a blatant way to sell the lackluster battle for Zendikar, there's no way to deny that. Let's not derail this thread any further and leave it at that.
On topic, I think the first conspiracy had a lot of very nice reprints and I'm looking forward to many sweet commander or cube goodies. It's really time for a modern bordered mana vault with vintage masters art, come on wizards!
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I don't know if you're just joking or really desperately trying to troll me dude. I meant reprint in a way that actually has an impact on the market, resulting in a lower price and increased availability. Printing fetchland expeditions was nothing more than a blatant way to sell the lackluster battle for Zendikar, there's no way to deny that. Let's not derail this thread any further and leave it at that.
On topic, I think the first conspiracy had a lot of very nice reprints and I'm looking forward to many sweet commander or cube goodies. It's really time for a modern bordered mana vault with vintage masters art, come on wizards!
Say what you mean then. That you want them to reprint cards in a way that lines them up with how you value them. Because I, personally, love the expeditions. I don't see how you can say that they've abandoned Modern reprints when all ten fetches have been reprinted in one block, just because you don't find them to be affordable. Even not counting those, we've seen the 5 ONS fetches given out in two sets, before which we had Thoughtseize, before which we recently had Shocklands reprinted. Just because one of those 21 cards was seen as a reprint mistake doesn't mean that they will stop trying. In fact, 1/21 is rarely used as odds indicating a trend. I can't tell if you're trolling, or just really, really oblivious. In this community, I'm sure I can guess which and why though.
In fact, it is because they have recently reprinted so much Modern awesomeness that I kind of expect Conspiracy 2 to be full of good stuff for Eternal formats.
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All this thinking about what reprints are gonna be in and what mechanics will be in and the only thing on mind is what does ghost beard actually feel like because the brago dying even more art.
There seems to be a message on the back of EMA Tokens
People of the High City, .... it .... [King Brago] brought joy and relief to us all. Now, he has at last passed truly and forever beyond. .... [In his great] wisdom our late king appointed a successor those years ago; his .... with the will and the ....
[If the queen is] .... illegitimate, then so too are her laws. If she is not truly queen, then .... [she has no] right .... you awakened as unwitting traitors .... of upholding law and order in Paliano .... other, make your choice!
Free citizens of Paliano: When you fell asleep last night, you were loyal. You laid down your heads as steadfast servants of the one true king of Paliano, Brago the Eternal. Perhaps you did not love him. It is not the role of a ruler to be loved. But you obeyed him, and you respected him, as any citizen should. You awakened as unwitting traitors beneath the blood-stained banner of a usurper queen: Marchese the Black Rose, a known assassin and plotter, a criminal of the highest order whose veiled threats and hidden thorns have allowed her for far too long to flaunt the law of Paliano. She has made you traitors by raising her flag above the palace and placing the crown upon her treacherous brow. She has forced you to choose between loyalty to the crown and loyalty to your city. Somehow, this vile deceiver murdered King Brago, ending his immortal existence and dispersing the essence of his spirit. She inserted herself into the sovereign’s will and testament – a document forged, no doubt, from whole cloth. For why would the King Eternal have a will at all? And if he did, why would he name the murderous daughter of a fallen house to rule in his place? Somehow, she commands the loyalty of the Custodi Priests who once made the King’s word manifest in the world. Alongside them stand numerous servants of the throne who cannot or dare not question her right to rule, and in the shadows lurks her own existing network of thieves, spies, saboteurs, informants, and assassins. Already the false queen raises her own sigil, the emblem of the Black Rose, above Paliano. She would quietly ignore the symbol of our city, the symbol Brago carried with him of his own sword, an image so endearing, so emblematic of our city and its’ lawful ruler, that the Custodi consider it a religious icon in its’ own right. Oh, the Custodi wave it even now, and it means as little from them as it ever did. But the banners of the city troops have already changed. You will not see that symbol in the halls of Marchesa’s palace or on the shields of her defenders. She claims to rule legitimately, to have the interests of the city at heart, but the flag that has flown above us all these years is absent at her own command. And why? The reason is simple. Marchesa has no right to that sign of our city’s history, and she knows it. She wears the crown and sits upon the throne but she does not carry the sword of Brago – the blade that bears the symbol of our city. I know this because I now carry that sword, and with it the burden of upholding law and order in Paliano. I have been stripped of my title by the traitor queen, but I do not relinquish it. I hold this sword, this symbol, this duty to defend our city from all its’ enemies – even and especially an enemy who sits upon the throne. I have no wish to rule, only to unseat the usurper so that we may determine our rightful sovereign in the wake of King Brago’s tragic end. Marchesa would have you to stand with her, in service to a true crown that rests upon a false head, and thereby she would make you a traitor. I offer you a different path! Stand with me, and with Brago, and show your loyalty to your city through your disobedience to the pretender. If her flag is not your flag, then do not bow to it. IF her rule is illegitimate, then so too are her laws. If she is not truly queen, then the servants of the throne are no better than her spies or assassins, and should be treated accordingly. What say you, citizens of Paliano? Do you stand with the city, or with its’ self-proclaimed queen? Are you loyal rebels, or obedient traitors? As long as Marchesa sits upon the throne, you are one or the other. Make your choice! – Adriana, Captain of the Guard
People of the High City! It is my solemn duty to inform you that Brago, King of Paliano, is no more. His death shocked the city all those years ago, his spiritual continuance brought joy and relief to us all. Now, he has at last passed truly and forever beyond the veil. His long reign has come to an end, and his spirit is finally granted the eternal rest it deserves. In his beneficent wisdom, our late king appointed a successor with the will and the strength to bring peace to his beloved city. As his designated heir, recognized by the sacred order of custodi as his one and true successor, I vow to uphold the laws of Paliano, to maintain order in the city, and to see that justice is served swiftly and even-handedly. Though I know that I will never be a worthy heir to a man whose commitment to his city transcended life itself, I must hope that, with the blessings of the custodi, I am able to guide our fair city to a new age of prosperity. The transfer of power is always difficult, and all the more so when the end of a monarch’s reign comes unexpectedly. Even loyal and steadfast servants of the crown may find themselves ill-equipped to serve a new monarch in the same capacity as the old. As of now, the post of Captain of the Guard is disbanded. The soldiers of this city will now report directly to me. The former captain has retired with thanks from our fair city and a generous pension from the throne that will support her for the rest of her life, however long that life may be. In the absence of any natural heir, Brago made his intentions for the disposition of his throne quite clear. Lamentably, not all of the king’s former vassals respect his final wishes. Those who might use this transition as an excuse for rebellion should know that treason will be answered, as it always has been, with the harshest punishments, while loyalty will be rewarded lavishly. May fortune shine upon Paliano!
As proclaimed by her Majesty Queen, Marchesa, The Black Rose, First of her name, Head of the Council, Guarantor of Lawful Governance, Soul Sovereign of the High City, True Heir to the Throne of Paliano and all the rights and privileges thereof.
Rebels would be cool, especially ones with fun abilities to tutor in commander with the old rebels. Hopefully some interesting assassins though maybe less now that she is the Queen? Also hope this means Brago's sword is a sweet equipment on par with or stronger than the mirrodin swords.
I like that they expanded the puzzle solving gimmick of SOI beyond content refering to the block's story. The backstory of this set is promising. I like these two leads. It makes me a little sad that the characterization of the original Conspiracy main characters has not always been as elaborate. Hopefully we get to see all of the major players of Paliano progress through their story - at least as background characters.
EDIT: Oh, EMA, not EMN? Explains why the tokens are out already. Well, I sure don't need these gimmicks to die - ever.
What if we got some new Mercenaries that made the tribe actually worth playing and not 100% unplayable garbage? Rebels are pretty decent.
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Any chance that C2 has cards that allow players to draft and play 1vs1? I really like the whole legacy idea but I dislike waiting for my turn with 7 other players. FFA is not fun for me.
I think the FFA aspect of the original was what scared people away from the original Conspiracy but I think the FFA aspect was kind of the whole point of it
Any chance that C2 has cards that allow players to draft and play 1vs1? I really like the whole legacy idea but I dislike waiting for my turn with 7 other players. FFA is not fun for me.
Um, they are supposed to break the pod up into two or three 2-4 player games, not have the whole pod play in one big FFA.
Drafting 8 players is fun. Playing 1vs1 is also fun to me. I just dislike playing FFA and waiting too much for my turn. And it is not fun to play against 2 guys that ally or 3 guys that ally. No chance in wining the game.
1. As mentioned, play in smaller pods of 3-4 players. I play a lot of commander and agree with you, larger pods are absolutely no fun because it takes too long to get to your turn, and its incredibly difficult to draft long-term plans when 6 other players interact with the board between your turns.
2. As for the problem with alliances, this is where politics comes in. Multiplayer games have an entire extra layer of politics. Convincing players to attack one another, arguing about correct targets, and extremely complex threat assessment are all additional parts to a multiplayer game. I understand many players don't like these aspects and thats perfectly fine. However, conspiracy is really designed to encourage players to engage in these sort of political games.
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So, have you all heard that 7 shops around the world will hold a special draft BEFORE the whole set is spoiled?
That's pretty exciting and something that I actually thought that they were going to do last time!
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So, have you all heard that 7 shops around the world will hold a special draft BEFORE the whole set is spoiled?
That's pretty exciting and something that I actually thought that they were going to do last time!
Whoa! We'll get a ton of spoilers out of that for sure. Source?
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
So, have you all heard that 7 shops around the world will hold a special draft BEFORE the whole set is spoiled?
That's pretty exciting and something that I actually thought that they were going to do last time!
Whoa! We'll get a ton of spoilers out of that for sure. Source?
my lgs Facebook page (it's one of the 7 stores) but also the wizards website:
Huey, Dewey and Louie are always dressed in RUG. it is CLEARLY going to be the wedges block Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
I saw something from my local gaming store saying that one of the new mechanics will be called "monarch". at the end of the monarch's turn they draw a card. whenever someone deals combat damage to the monarch, they become the monarch. no one starts as the monarch, but there are cards that say "you become the monarch" like a cantrip tacked onto to a regular spell. apparently there will be monarch tokens in some packs as well to keep track of who is the monarch. works kind of similarly to dethrone!
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I think the last one had stuff like Stifle and Swords to Plowshares. Some of the new cards made eternal formats if only for a little bit. I don't know if they are still being played but I think they are.
10 most played reprints as in the 5 ons fetches and the 5 basic lands?
Pox as that card is one of my absolute favorites and I would love to see it come back in modern frame.
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I guess nobody is playing Scalding Tarn, or my expedition Arid Mesa is a Yu-Gi-Oh card.
On topic, I think the first conspiracy had a lot of very nice reprints and I'm looking forward to many sweet commander or cube goodies. It's really time for a modern bordered mana vault with vintage masters art, come on wizards!
Say what you mean then. That you want them to reprint cards in a way that lines them up with how you value them. Because I, personally, love the expeditions. I don't see how you can say that they've abandoned Modern reprints when all ten fetches have been reprinted in one block, just because you don't find them to be affordable. Even not counting those, we've seen the 5 ONS fetches given out in two sets, before which we had Thoughtseize, before which we recently had Shocklands reprinted. Just because one of those 21 cards was seen as a reprint mistake doesn't mean that they will stop trying. In fact, 1/21 is rarely used as odds indicating a trend. I can't tell if you're trolling, or just really, really oblivious. In this community, I'm sure I can guess which and why though.
In fact, it is because they have recently reprinted so much Modern awesomeness that I kind of expect Conspiracy 2 to be full of good stuff for Eternal formats.
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People of the High City, .... it .... [King Brago] brought joy and relief to us all. Now, he has at last passed truly and forever beyond. .... [In his great] wisdom our late king appointed a successor those years ago; his .... with the will and the ....
[If the queen is] .... illegitimate, then so too are her laws. If she is not truly queen, then .... [she has no] right .... you awakened as unwitting traitors .... of upholding law and order in Paliano .... other, make your choice!
Adriana, Captain of the Guards
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4mnkym/ema_conspiracy_2_puzzle_on_the_back_of_ema_tokens/
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4n7bee/ema_token_text/
http://imgur.com/gallery/lG6lQvz/new
http://mtg-realm.blogspot.ca/2016/06/mtg-conspiracy-puzzle.html
Free citizens of Paliano: When you fell asleep last night, you were loyal. You laid down your heads as steadfast servants of the one true king of Paliano, Brago the Eternal. Perhaps you did not love him. It is not the role of a ruler to be loved. But you obeyed him, and you respected him, as any citizen should. You awakened as unwitting traitors beneath the blood-stained banner of a usurper queen: Marchese the Black Rose, a known assassin and plotter, a criminal of the highest order whose veiled threats and hidden thorns have allowed her for far too long to flaunt the law of Paliano. She has made you traitors by raising her flag above the palace and placing the crown upon her treacherous brow. She has forced you to choose between loyalty to the crown and loyalty to your city. Somehow, this vile deceiver murdered King Brago, ending his immortal existence and dispersing the essence of his spirit. She inserted herself into the sovereign’s will and testament – a document forged, no doubt, from whole cloth. For why would the King Eternal have a will at all? And if he did, why would he name the murderous daughter of a fallen house to rule in his place? Somehow, she commands the loyalty of the Custodi Priests who once made the King’s word manifest in the world. Alongside them stand numerous servants of the throne who cannot or dare not question her right to rule, and in the shadows lurks her own existing network of thieves, spies, saboteurs, informants, and assassins. Already the false queen raises her own sigil, the emblem of the Black Rose, above Paliano. She would quietly ignore the symbol of our city, the symbol Brago carried with him of his own sword, an image so endearing, so emblematic of our city and its’ lawful ruler, that the Custodi consider it a religious icon in its’ own right. Oh, the Custodi wave it even now, and it means as little from them as it ever did. But the banners of the city troops have already changed. You will not see that symbol in the halls of Marchesa’s palace or on the shields of her defenders. She claims to rule legitimately, to have the interests of the city at heart, but the flag that has flown above us all these years is absent at her own command. And why? The reason is simple. Marchesa has no right to that sign of our city’s history, and she knows it. She wears the crown and sits upon the throne but she does not carry the sword of Brago – the blade that bears the symbol of our city. I know this because I now carry that sword, and with it the burden of upholding law and order in Paliano. I have been stripped of my title by the traitor queen, but I do not relinquish it. I hold this sword, this symbol, this duty to defend our city from all its’ enemies – even and especially an enemy who sits upon the throne. I have no wish to rule, only to unseat the usurper so that we may determine our rightful sovereign in the wake of King Brago’s tragic end. Marchesa would have you to stand with her, in service to a true crown that rests upon a false head, and thereby she would make you a traitor. I offer you a different path! Stand with me, and with Brago, and show your loyalty to your city through your disobedience to the pretender. If her flag is not your flag, then do not bow to it. IF her rule is illegitimate, then so too are her laws. If she is not truly queen, then the servants of the throne are no better than her spies or assassins, and should be treated accordingly. What say you, citizens of Paliano? Do you stand with the city, or with its’ self-proclaimed queen? Are you loyal rebels, or obedient traitors? As long as Marchesa sits upon the throne, you are one or the other. Make your choice! – Adriana, Captain of the Guard
People of the High City! It is my solemn duty to inform you that Brago, King of Paliano, is no more. His death shocked the city all those years ago, his spiritual continuance brought joy and relief to us all. Now, he has at last passed truly and forever beyond the veil. His long reign has come to an end, and his spirit is finally granted the eternal rest it deserves. In his beneficent wisdom, our late king appointed a successor with the will and the strength to bring peace to his beloved city. As his designated heir, recognized by the sacred order of custodi as his one and true successor, I vow to uphold the laws of Paliano, to maintain order in the city, and to see that justice is served swiftly and even-handedly. Though I know that I will never be a worthy heir to a man whose commitment to his city transcended life itself, I must hope that, with the blessings of the custodi, I am able to guide our fair city to a new age of prosperity. The transfer of power is always difficult, and all the more so when the end of a monarch’s reign comes unexpectedly. Even loyal and steadfast servants of the crown may find themselves ill-equipped to serve a new monarch in the same capacity as the old. As of now, the post of Captain of the Guard is disbanded. The soldiers of this city will now report directly to me. The former captain has retired with thanks from our fair city and a generous pension from the throne that will support her for the rest of her life, however long that life may be. In the absence of any natural heir, Brago made his intentions for the disposition of his throne quite clear. Lamentably, not all of the king’s former vassals respect his final wishes. Those who might use this transition as an excuse for rebellion should know that treason will be answered, as it always has been, with the harshest punishments, while loyalty will be rewarded lavishly. May fortune shine upon Paliano!
As proclaimed by her Majesty Queen, Marchesa, The Black Rose, First of her name, Head of the Council, Guarantor of Lawful Governance, Soul Sovereign of the High City, True Heir to the Throne of Paliano and all the rights and privileges thereof.
~
Alters
I like that they expanded the puzzle solving gimmick of SOI beyond content refering to the block's story. The backstory of this set is promising. I like these two leads. It makes me a little sad that the characterization of the original Conspiracy main characters has not always been as elaborate. Hopefully we get to see all of the major players of Paliano progress through their story - at least as background characters.
EDIT: Oh, EMA, not EMN? Explains why the tokens are out already. Well, I sure don't need these gimmicks to die - ever.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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that would be really sweet
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I think the FFA aspect of the original was what scared people away from the original Conspiracy but I think the FFA aspect was kind of the whole point of it
1. As mentioned, play in smaller pods of 3-4 players. I play a lot of commander and agree with you, larger pods are absolutely no fun because it takes too long to get to your turn, and its incredibly difficult to draft long-term plans when 6 other players interact with the board between your turns.
2. As for the problem with alliances, this is where politics comes in. Multiplayer games have an entire extra layer of politics. Convincing players to attack one another, arguing about correct targets, and extremely complex threat assessment are all additional parts to a multiplayer game. I understand many players don't like these aspects and thats perfectly fine. However, conspiracy is really designed to encourage players to engage in these sort of political games.
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BWTeysa,Orzhov Scion
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That's pretty exciting and something that I actually thought that they were going to do last time!
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
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my lgs Facebook page (it's one of the 7 stores) but also the wizards website:
http://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/unique-conspiracy-preview
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
I'd love that. Would be even better if they returned to Mercadia and expanded on both tribes.
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Having Mercadia and Fiora in the same set would be really, really confusing.