Keep in mind, this isn't just for Legacy. The solicitation specifically mentions support for Commander. Could see some reprints of stuff from the Commander sets, like Flusterstorm and Unexpectedly Absent
That's a bit ironic, as the main demand for those cards is Legacy.
I'm pretty sure what that statement means
is that EMA will have cards like Sol Ring, Mana Vault or Mana Crypt.
And hopefully, (*please*, Lord Kothophed!) Demonic Tutor.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Now I will probably be attacked mercilessly for saying this, but I think if they really are gonna make a new non rotating format here, they may want to go ahead and pull the trigger and update modern to actually be "modern". Make modern everything from 2010 on, you can start at M11. Yes this will outrage modern players, especially because it doesn't include the original zendikar, but it will force them into a divide. They will either have to get into eternal, or a new modern that doesn't include a lot of the staple cards. This would give the eternal format an immediate base of players, and open the doors to a lot of people who want to play modern but can't afford to because they haven't played the game since 2001. All the people who have invested in standard over the last five years would no longer have a bunch of useless cards that were great in standard but too slow for the 15 years of modern cards. It creates a brand new base of players for both modern and eternal, and it of course does the one thing wizards so desperately wants; modern players to crack packs from their newest sets. Yes, again, it will piss off lots of current modern players, but financially it makes perfect sense for wizards because now they sell even more product all across the board. And they can actually make modern "modern" and support it much better with every new set
If they make any modification to non-Standard formats, they need to post some guarantee in blood at the risk of their first born that the format structure won't change for some very long period of time. People will never trust them again, otherwise.
get ready to spend $30+ per pack, and probably $90+ for a single draft. Neither of these things seems optimal or desirable.
If stores couldn't raise the price on packs, that there was a max they could charge, would that solve the issue?
What? No. That just leads to shortages. If the retail price is above MSRP it's Wizards's fault for not printing enough product, not the vendor for reacting to demand.
A vendor responding to demand by spiking the price per pack that has an unknown actual value and a defined MSRP is just price-gouging. The shortage is on Wizards, not on the vendor, as they are responsible for setting the price (MSRP), defining the content (% likelihood of getting a value card, which helps drive demand), and determining supply (depth, breadth, and length). A vendor does not get penalized for running out of product, no more than having disgruntled patrons, but that disgruntlement is usually passed to the source, i.e. Wizards. I will not pay more than MSRP for a pack because it is the vendor literally trying to increase their profit margin (cash grab) when they see a rush of customers. This displays a lack of respect for the community, not a healthy appreciation of supply/demand economics.
Infernal tutor in makes no sense on so many levels. Go and play infernal without lion's eye diamond. Just try it. You will be pretty sad a lot of the time. Grim tutor in that slot, or imperial seal, or the strictly better version in demonic tutor. D. tutor has ONE foil printing and that one costs $250 and is hard to find. Vampiric tutor works also and also has just one foil printing. I don't care that some cards in this set will be used in just vintage or EDH, it doesn't have to be all legacy legal cards/some pretty bland stuff in comparison to the likes of sol ring and mana vault/crypt/the non reserved brokenness that I love to sling in limited.
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Funny that people believe that the Zendikar fetches being in the set would help bring their prices down. Khans had an unlimited print run, and people were literally (and continue to) crack case after case just for the fetches. And what has that done to the prices? They're still $15-$20 (with the exception of Windswept Heath because it was in the Origins Clash Pack). And that was at MSRP of $3.99. With an MSRP at least 2.5 times that, you can expect prices to be somewhere in the $35-$50 price range, which is obviously lower for Scalding Tarn (currently sitting at around $86 TCGPlayer low for Near Mint), but the prices will largely remain the same for the rest of the fetches.
In other words, shouldn't this bother more people that they're putting fetches in these premium products now? Are the Khans fetches going to share the same fate with Modern Masters 2019?
Funny that people believe that the Zendikar fetches being in the set would help bring their prices down. Khans had an unlimited print run, and people were literally (and continue to) crack case after case just for the fetches. And what has that done to the prices? They're still $15-$20 (with the exception of Windswept Heath because it was in the Origins Clash Pack). And that was at MSRP of $3.99. With an MSRP at least 2.5 times that, you can expect prices to be somewhere in the $35-$50 price range, which is obviously lower for Scalding Tarn (currently sitting at around $86 TCGPlayer low for Near Mint), but the prices will largely remain the same for the rest of the fetches.
get ready to spend $30+ per pack, and probably $90+ for a single draft. Neither of these things seems optimal or desirable.
If stores couldn't raise the price on packs, that there was a max they could charge, would that solve the issue?
What? No. That just leads to shortages. If the retail price is above MSRP it's Wizards's fault for not printing enough product, not the vendor for reacting to demand.
A vendor responding to demand by spiking the price per pack that has an unknown actual value and a defined MSRP is just price-gouging. The shortage is on Wizards, not on the vendor, as they are responsible for setting the price (MSRP), defining the content (% likelihood of getting a value card, which helps drive demand), and determining supply (depth, breadth, and length). A vendor does not get penalized for running out of product, no more than having disgruntled patrons, but that disgruntlement is usually passed to the source, i.e. Wizards. I will not pay more than MSRP for a pack because it is the vendor literally trying to increase their profit margin (cash grab) when they see a rush of customers. This displays a lack of respect for the community, not a healthy appreciation of supply/demand economics.
Wizards probably can set prices on their products due to the WPN agreements that retailers have to accept. Just update the terms and conditions to place a time restriction on price changes above MSRP. Like can't start increasing them for 18mo (current standard lifespan of a set).
mythic 15:
fow
liliana
JTMS
snapcaster mage
show and tell
sneak attack
umezawa's jitte
kaalia of the vast
mana drain
karakas
grim tutor
mana crypt
battleskull
dark dephts
Rare:
All of those except Kaalia are believable.
Something *like* Kaalia is likely (maybe Ghave, Guru of Spores or Animar, Soul of Elements?),
but Kaalia already having a foil printing is a mark against her here.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
get ready to spend $30+ per pack, and probably $90+ for a single draft. Neither of these things seems optimal or desirable.
If stores couldn't raise the price on packs, that there was a max they could charge, would that solve the issue?
What? No. That just leads to shortages. If the retail price is above MSRP it's Wizards's fault for not printing enough product, not the vendor for reacting to demand.
A vendor responding to demand by spiking the price per pack that has an unknown actual value and a defined MSRP is just price-gouging. The shortage is on Wizards, not on the vendor, as they are responsible for setting the price (MSRP), defining the content (% likelihood of getting a value card, which helps drive demand), and determining supply (depth, breadth, and length). A vendor does not get penalized for running out of product, no more than having disgruntled patrons, but that disgruntlement is usually passed to the source, i.e. Wizards. I will not pay more than MSRP for a pack because it is the vendor literally trying to increase their profit margin (cash grab) when they see a rush of customers. This displays a lack of respect for the community, not a healthy appreciation of supply/demand economics.
Wizards probably can set prices on their products due to the WPN agreements that retailers have to accept. Just update the terms and conditions to place a time restriction on price changes above MSRP. Like can't start increasing them for 18mo (current standard lifespan of a set).
mythic 15:
fow
liliana
JTMS
snapcaster mage
show and tell
sneak attack
umezawa's jitte
kaalia of the vast
mana drain
karakas
grim tutor
mana crypt
battleskull
dark dephts
Rare:
Is that the one with cursed scroll in it? if that's so it is fake since the scroll is in the reserved list.
mythic 15:
fow
liliana
JTMS
snapcaster mage
show and tell
sneak attack
umezawa's jitte
kaalia of the vast
mana drain
karakas
grim tutor
mana crypt
battleskull
dark dephts
Rare:
I'll eat my hat if this is real
5 Blue
2 Black
1 Red
0 Green
1 TriColor
4 Colorless
1 White/Colorless
mythic 15:
fow
liliana
JTMS
snapcaster mage
show and tell
sneak attack
umezawa's jitte
kaalia of the vast
mana drain
karakas
grim tutor
mana crypt
battleskull
dark dephts
Five blue mythics and zero green? Seems pretty unlikely.
Don't think Snapcaster will make it in when they have MM2017 to think about. Same probably with LotV. That being said, people shouldn't so hung up on color balance for Mythics, since the blue and black cards are the real powerhouses for Legacy, so there very well may be an imbalance of colors.
I keep seeing people saying the fetches are in, but I was certain that they were confirmed out by Wasteland's #. With it being second to last in the set and there being two fetches after it doesn't that confirm out?
Rare dual lands being bad in draft isn't a reason not to have them. Every first set of a block besides Urza, Masques, and Mirrodin 1 has had duals. Most likely, the reason for not having many in Modern masters before was that there wasn't a clear cycle they should stuff in. Zen fetches are head and shoulders above any other duals they can reprint in price, now, right? That only takes 5 slots vs probably stuffing in a 10 card cycle just because if they did filters or something. Seriously, Wizards can't win. When they reprint, it isn't enough and when they don't reprint, they are also horrible. Reprinting in standard means they have to deal with the consequences of a standard reprint where printing here hurts nothing. They could easily print up packs of all high dollar cards and not give a damn about limited if they wanted.
This set, like MM, is made primarily for drafting, as they stated, meaning that they will take the stability of the limited environment into account far more than usual.
Modern masters didn't have a clear cycle to stuff into MM? That literally sounds like a troll statement when there was the obvious possibility of fetches as a result of their impact on Modern.
Reprinting in Standard is exactly what they did with more valuable (Polluted Delta > Scalding Tarn at the time) cards that have literally equal power level. I fail to understand your argument.
This post seems really troll if you are able to read/comparatively analyze.
I keep seeing people saying the fetches are in, but I was certain that they were confirmed out by Wasteland's #. With it being second to last in the set and there being two fetches after it doesn't that confirm out?
People seem to be referring to the Zendikar fetchlands, none of which are alphabetically after Wasteland.
I keep seeing people saying the fetches are in, but I was certain that they were confirmed out by Wasteland's #. With it being second to last in the set and there being two fetches after it doesn't that confirm out?
I wonder how many people will start selling off non-reserved list cards before the full set is spoiled. I'm debating whether to hold or sell ports now. But if they're printed at mythic then I'm not sure it'll dent the price all that much.
Personally I am holding to the few FoW, Wasteland or Fetchland I have. This will be like Modern Masters, where new cards will be printed but also new demand and excitement. (Granted, this is not a new format)
Plus, old border cards and first printings tend to hold their value.
My single wish list for this set would be Chain Lightning at uncommon. But given its price now it will probably a Rare.
Funny that people believe that the Zendikar fetches being in the set would help bring their prices down. Khans had an unlimited print run, and people were literally (and continue to) crack case after case just for the fetches. And what has that done to the prices? They're still $15-$20 (with the exception of Windswept Heath because it was in the Origins Clash Pack). And that was at MSRP of $3.99. With an MSRP at least 2.5 times that, you can expect prices to be somewhere in the $35-$50 price range, which is obviously lower for Scalding Tarn (currently sitting at around $86 TCGPlayer low for Near Mint), but the prices will largely remain the same for the rest of the fetches.
In other words, shouldn't this bother more people that they're putting fetches in these premium products now? Are the Khans fetches going to share the same fate with Modern Masters 2019?
I know almost everyone on this subforum craps all over it but did you stop to think that Khans fetches' prices are, for the time being, mostly driven by Standard?
You know, the most popular Constructed format (outside of kitchen table of course).
If you are playing Standard, you need a whole bunch of them; they were reasonably priced, for incredibly popular, high demand cards, while the set was being drafted.
Rare dual lands being bad in draft isn't a reason not to have them. Every first set of a block besides Urza, Masques, and Mirrodin 1 has had duals. Most likely, the reason for not having many in Modern masters before was that there wasn't a clear cycle they should stuff in. Zen fetches are head and shoulders above any other duals they can reprint in price, now, right? That only takes 5 slots vs probably stuffing in a 10 card cycle just because if they did filters or something. Seriously, Wizards can't win. When they reprint, it isn't enough and when they don't reprint, they are also horrible. Reprinting in standard means they have to deal with the consequences of a standard reprint where printing here hurts nothing. They could easily print up packs of all high dollar cards and not give a damn about limited if they wanted.
This set, like MM, is made primarily for drafting, as they stated, meaning that they will take the stability of the limited environment into account far more than usual.
Modern masters didn't have a clear cycle to stuff into MM? That literally sounds like a troll statement when there was the obvious possibility of fetches as a result of their impact on Modern.
Reprinting in Standard is exactly what they did with more valuable (Polluted Delta > Scalding Tarn at the time) cards that have literally equal power level. I fail to understand your argument.
This post seems really troll if you are able to read/comparatively analyze.
Really? I don't see why it's a bad analysis. Every set has cards that aren't good in limited and enemy fetches in Eternal Masters doesn't mean they won't be in standard in a year or two. Back when Modern Masters 1 was coming, they probably already knew about Onslaught fetches in Khans since they were planned before the set even was. The Khans fetches probably hadn't had their chance to potentially knock down the Zen fetches by the time Modern Masters 2 was planned either. It's not like there's really any 100% way to know how the player base will respond to anything until it happens. Wizards works a year in advance so it's hard for people to remember what happened way back when Wizards was actually working on things. Now, though, Zen fetches are far higher than other duals they can reprint and they might want to try and cap their price a bit before they have a really good chance to knock them down with a standard print. Seriously, predicting card prices in the real world a year in advance when you can't even predict the metagame perfectly is impossible.
That's a bit ironic, as the main demand for those cards is Legacy.
I'm pretty sure what that statement means
is that EMA will have cards like Sol Ring, Mana Vault or Mana Crypt.
And hopefully, (*please*, Lord Kothophed!) Demonic Tutor.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
If they make any modification to non-Standard formats, they need to post some guarantee in blood at the risk of their first born that the format structure won't change for some very long period of time. People will never trust them again, otherwise.
A vendor responding to demand by spiking the price per pack that has an unknown actual value and a defined MSRP is just price-gouging. The shortage is on Wizards, not on the vendor, as they are responsible for setting the price (MSRP), defining the content (% likelihood of getting a value card, which helps drive demand), and determining supply (depth, breadth, and length). A vendor does not get penalized for running out of product, no more than having disgruntled patrons, but that disgruntlement is usually passed to the source, i.e. Wizards. I will not pay more than MSRP for a pack because it is the vendor literally trying to increase their profit margin (cash grab) when they see a rush of customers. This displays a lack of respect for the community, not a healthy appreciation of supply/demand economics.
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In other words, shouldn't this bother more people that they're putting fetches in these premium products now? Are the Khans fetches going to share the same fate with Modern Masters 2019?
don't forget about the limited print run
the impact will probably not be significant
Wizards probably can set prices on their products due to the WPN agreements that retailers have to accept. Just update the terms and conditions to place a time restriction on price changes above MSRP. Like can't start increasing them for 18mo (current standard lifespan of a set).
All of those except Kaalia are believable.
Something *like* Kaalia is likely (maybe Ghave, Guru of Spores or Animar, Soul of Elements?),
but Kaalia already having a foil printing is a mark against her here.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Or they could just print enough to meet demand.
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
Is that the one with cursed scroll in it? if that's so it is fake since the scroll is in the reserved list.
I'll eat my hat if this is real
5 Blue
2 Black
1 Red
0 Green
1 TriColor
4 Colorless
1 White/Colorless
Five blue mythics and zero green? Seems pretty unlikely.
This set, like MM, is made primarily for drafting, as they stated, meaning that they will take the stability of the limited environment into account far more than usual.
Modern masters didn't have a clear cycle to stuff into MM? That literally sounds like a troll statement when there was the obvious possibility of fetches as a result of their impact on Modern.
Reprinting in Standard is exactly what they did with more valuable (Polluted Delta > Scalding Tarn at the time) cards that have literally equal power level. I fail to understand your argument.
This post seems really troll if you are able to read/comparatively analyze.
People seem to be referring to the Zendikar fetchlands, none of which are alphabetically after Wasteland.
Enemy fetches:
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Verdant Catacombs
Nope, they all come before Wasteland
The collusion works both ways. Buyers can collude not to buy a product. It is called a boycott.
Enemy fetches are not ruled out yet however.
Personally I am holding to the few FoW, Wasteland or Fetchland I have. This will be like Modern Masters, where new cards will be printed but also new demand and excitement. (Granted, this is not a new format)
Plus, old border cards and first printings tend to hold their value.
My single wish list for this set would be Chain Lightning at uncommon. But given its price now it will probably a Rare.
I know almost everyone on this subforum craps all over it but did you stop to think that Khans fetches' prices are, for the time being, mostly driven by Standard?
You know, the most popular Constructed format (outside of kitchen table of course).
If you are playing Standard, you need a whole bunch of them; they were reasonably priced, for incredibly popular, high demand cards, while the set was being drafted.
ALL OF THEM (since Mirage)