This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.
Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People ***** about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.
tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.
Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
"Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.
It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.
You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.
Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People ***** about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.
tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.
Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
Even if you're mostly right, examples of reprints such as Tarmogoyf on Modern Masters 1 and 2 haven't made the original Future Sight one price to drop.
it's value is being steadily maintained at around US$190.00 for quite a long time now (it was at this value before MM1...) while Modern Masters are at 150-ish.
reprinting Tarmogoyf on MM hasn't really affected the collector's price for the Future Sight version and made slightly easier to buy in a playset if all you want is to play with it, I guess reprinting ABUR duals in this new set (or any other valuable reserved list cards for that matter) would end up having similar behavior.
Underground Sea fetches about US$300.00 a piece nowadays.
the Revised version would most likely keep it's value or drop 10% at most while the Eternal Masters version would probably be worth US$200.00 ish....
this doesn't come even close to destroy the value of the ABUR lands, wouldn't make the game less profitable for investors, as certainly some other legacy staples are sure to plummet if the format becomes more popular due to being more acessible.
Not overloading the market with staple cards is certainly a good thing as you've pointed. The reserved list is not.
"Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.
It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.
You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.
You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?
If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
"Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.
It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.
You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.
You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?
If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.
Because collectors paid a lot of money for their cards? To say nobody cares about the value of their belongings doesn't make sense. It's like anything else you own, a car, house, gold, shoe collection, etc.
WOTC gave their word that they wouldn't get rid of the reserve list. Your word is bond, something a lot of people don't understand. If you say something, promise something abide by it.
I personally don't like the reserve list but I do respect that WOTC hasn't gone back on their word.
I'm looking into getting a couple more Duals for my EDH decks, I guess I need to start buying them now...
This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.
Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People ***** about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.
tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.
Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
I'm guessing it was my post you were intending to quote (which was not deleted by the way) so I'll go ahead and reply. I think the thing you're missing is that this card game wasn't always Money: The Gathering. There was a time not long ago, just a few years back actually, when Revised edition Underground Sea were $30 each and Wasteland was $20.
During that time was when Legacy grew to the height of it's popularity and nearly every LGS in my area ran Legacy once a week, because just about anyone could afford to play it and people liked playing the eternal format with the most diversity. Now fast forward a few years later to today, when Legacy cards are absurdly expensive and few people can afford to play the format competitively. What has happened? Well, in my area all but two of the stores that used to run Legacy have stopped running it. Why? Because most players can't afford to play it anymore and tournament attendance was too low to support it.
On the flip side of things, the past couple years—since the relative demise of Legacy—there has been big increase in interest in the paper Pauper format and several stores in my area that used to run Legacy now run Pauper instead. In Pauper there are only a few (literally, 3 or 4) cards worth more than $5 each and the stores that run Pauper still make a good profit supporting the format and running events for it. Why? Not because of the value of the cards in the format, but because people are happy to pay tournament entry fees to play it.
The best thing for Magic players is to keep eternal formats as cheap and easy to get into as possible, because that draws more players to the format. Make the format too expensive by not reprinting cards enough to keep prices down and the format will die, but reprint them enough to get dual lands and all those other ridiculously overpriced peices of cardboard in Legacy back down to the $20 to $40 each that they were at the height of the format's popularity and Legacy will flourish again. And if the paper Pauper format is any indication, stores will still make tidy profits running events just from tournament entry fees and game accessory sales (sleeves, dice, playmats, snacks, etc).
MtG isn't the stock market, it's a game. And games that are too expensive to attract players just don't last. With that in mind, I think Wizards pulling a page from YuGiOh's reprinting playbook is the best thing that could happen to eternal formats. We need a little less Money: The Gathering and a little more Magic: The Gathering.
"Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.
It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.
You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.
You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?
If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.
Just because someone isn't planning on selling their collection any time soon doesn't mean they won't ever sell it. I never understood why people think collectors are bad for the game. Collectors buy product, making wizards money either directly or indirectly depending on what they bought, either way money is being put into the game and that's almost always a good thing.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
All I want to say is that you would need to ban wasteland,port and price of progress if you want a RL less legacy. Port and waste basically get a lava spike tacked on, good lord.
If you make people play shocklands, red delver is now basically unplayable, fetch, shock, daze my steam vents is 6 life. Shardless is also unplayable, you take too much damage from the mana base. Basically, all of our fair decks get pushed out of the format, burn loves it when its opponents either lose massive tempo, or need to bolt themselves twice.
Regarding prices, I'm rather irked that they are reprinting my entire deck, but I understand that its for the good of legacy, and was fortunate enough to trade into the format. The problem was that DnT was never that hard of a deck to trade for. Its the RL staples that are the problem, and I really don't want to play 3 DnT mirrors every legacy Thursday, even if my experience with the deck gives me an edge.
But really, why be irritated? They made a product you can't afford a bunch of other people can. I see nothing wrong with that. And if you think this is greedy, you should see most other game companies I see.
Is it too much to ask nowadays, as a consumer, that a company make the products you want affordable? Especially given that said products are only expensive due to artificial scarcity; premium Magic products don't require more resources/labor to manufacture unlike other goods. Force of Will is just as easy to print as Kitesail Scout.
Is there a reason why supplemental products are not in French? Just curious
Parce que ça se vend très mal et ils ont besoin de plusieurs imprimantes. De plus, ils sont très conservateur au niveau de la production les nouveaux produits qui n'ont jamais été testés.
Not even sure if I will buy any but I sure as heck am not gonna make the same mistake as last time and preorder a box...
People seem to forget you can play Khans fetches and Shocklands. Yes, it's not as good as ABUR duals, but it's a relatively cheaper way to get into Legacy without making the huge financial plunge. A number of students who play at the Legacy FNMs do just that and seem to still do fine (2-2 and 3-1). And even without those, prior to this set, you could have played Burn, Merfolk, and Death and Taxes without buying a single dual land.
Hopefully this set prints other things such as Sensei's Divining Top, Stoneforge Mystic (the leaker mentioned this), Umezawa's Jitte, lots of pieces for Death and Taxes (none of it is on the reserved list), etc. I have my doubts given previous MM products (where there was just a bit of value and nothing in uncommon), but one can hope that it will drive up Legacy interest and give a path to getting into the format I (and many others) love.
Exactly. I can't believe how many people think you must play duals in legacy, like it's the only playable land. Checklands work too. None of the games I lost in legacy would have been won if I had original duals instead of shocks. There's also plenty of playable mono color decks, at least one for each color. Personally I see no reason at all to spend $100+ on a single dual land when much cheaper options exist.
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Banning the reserved list wouldn't mean forcing shocks on a new eternal format. They could print duals with basic types in standard with any drawback they want, any time there aren't fetches with little consequence. They could even make most new dual cycles basic typed and throw a ton of options out there. Sure, they probably have to be ETBT or X, but they could flood the market with basic typed cycles. Different decks might even pick up different cycles, based on what X is best for the build.
People seem to forget you can play Khans fetches and Shocklands. Yes, it's not as good as ABUR duals, but it's a relatively cheaper way to get into Legacy without making the huge financial plunge. A number of students who play at the Legacy FNMs do just that and seem to still do fine (2-2 and 3-1). And even without those, prior to this set, you could have played Burn, Merfolk, and Death and Taxes without buying a single dual land.
Hopefully this set prints other things such as Sensei's Divining Top, Stoneforge Mystic (the leaker mentioned this), Umezawa's Jitte, lots of pieces for Death and Taxes (none of it is on the reserved list), etc. I have my doubts given previous MM products (where there was just a bit of value and nothing in uncommon), but one can hope that it will drive up Legacy interest and give a path to getting into the format I (and many others) love.
Exactly. I can't believe how many people think you must play duals in legacy, like it's the only playable land. Checklands work too. None of the games I lost in legacy would have been won if I had original duals instead of shocks. There's also plenty of playable mono color decks, at least one for each color. Personally I see no reason at all to spend $100+ on a single dual land when much cheaper options exist.
What mono green deck did you have in mind? Elves runs dual lands, and for the optimal build, its pretty important. I never said you can't get away with not running duals, but if you play a brainstorm deck, its kinda optimal. Bolting yourself aint fun in a grindy format, you cant fetch checks,
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A bit like how we can't just print a trillion dollars at the central bank and have prosperity for all? That would just cause hyperinflation and currency collapse?
You're missing an important difference: MTG is a game, not currency. For those of us who don't want to cash out, the $ value of our cards makes no difference. We're just trying to play.
What a nightmare for the secondary market. A massive win for Card Corp. Printing old power, we all knew it would happen eventually. Right before (or as) the secondary market collapses.
I welcome the crash and hope you're right, but remember that the Reversed List remains in place.
Hopefully the draft format is enjoyable and worth the loss of event decks and clash packs.
We all know nothing from the reserved list will be present. I could see Rishadan Port as a Mythic...it would be a good set to reprint it. Hopefully it isn't just those two cards and a bunch of commander deck chaff.
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Currently offering 2 non-foil Kolighan's Command for a Date Stamped foil!
Hopefully the draft format is enjoyable and worth the loss of event decks and clash packs.
We all know nothing from the reserved list will be present. I could see Rishadan Port as a Mythic...it would be a good set to reprint it. Hopefully it isn't just those two cards and a bunch of commander deck chaff.
If Wasteland is Rare I don't see any reason at all for Port to be Rare,
but I'm sure we will see quite a number of "headscratchers" re: rarity.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
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People seem to forget you can play Khans fetches and Shocklands. Yes, it's not as good as ABUR duals, but it's a relatively cheaper way to get into Legacy without making the huge financial plunge. A number of students who play at the Legacy FNMs do just that and seem to still do fine (2-2 and 3-1). And even without those, prior to this set, you could have played Burn, Merfolk, and Death and Taxes without buying a single dual land.
Hopefully this set prints other things such as Sensei's Divining Top, Stoneforge Mystic (the leaker mentioned this), Umezawa's Jitte, lots of pieces for Death and Taxes (none of it is on the reserved list), etc. I have my doubts given previous MM products (where there was just a bit of value and nothing in uncommon), but one can hope that it will drive up Legacy interest and give a path to getting into the format I (and many others) love.
Exactly. I can't believe how many people think you must play duals in legacy, like it's the only playable land. Checklands work too. None of the games I lost in legacy would have been won if I had original duals instead of shocks. There's also plenty of playable mono color decks, at least one for each color. Personally I see no reason at all to spend $100+ on a single dual land when much cheaper options exist.
What mono green deck did you have in mind? Elves runs dual lands, and for the optimal build, its pretty important. I never said you can't get away with not running duals, but if you play a brainstorm deck, its kinda optimal. Bolting yourself aint fun in a grindy format, you cant fetch checks,
You don't have to fetch them, that's the point. Unless you are actually playing brainstorm or KoTR fetchlands are not a must. Good consistent land bases can be built without duals or fetches if you want to. Is it "optimal", no but it's fine for your local legacy scene.
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People seem to forget you can play Khans fetches and Shocklands. Yes, it's not as good as ABUR duals, but it's a relatively cheaper way to get into Legacy without making the huge financial plunge. A number of students who play at the Legacy FNMs do just that and seem to still do fine (2-2 and 3-1). And even without those, prior to this set, you could have played Burn, Merfolk, and Death and Taxes without buying a single dual land.
Hopefully this set prints other things such as Sensei's Divining Top, Stoneforge Mystic (the leaker mentioned this), Umezawa's Jitte, lots of pieces for Death and Taxes (none of it is on the reserved list), etc. I have my doubts given previous MM products (where there was just a bit of value and nothing in uncommon), but one can hope that it will drive up Legacy interest and give a path to getting into the format I (and many others) love.
Exactly. I can't believe how many people think you must play duals in legacy, like it's the only playable land. Checklands work too. None of the games I lost in legacy would have been won if I had original duals instead of shocks. There's also plenty of playable mono color decks, at least one for each color. Personally I see no reason at all to spend $100+ on a single dual land when much cheaper options exist.
Playing a lot of shocks is a good way to lose to Price of Progress.
For the love of God and EDH,
*please* print Demonic Tutor in this!
At Rare, if not Uncommon.
I know the leakers say Infernal Tutor is in,
and I hope that doesn't affect DT.
EDIT: reading that leak again, it seems they may actually *mean* Demonic Tutor.
Let's hope so!
I'm guessing Mana Drain is out since it's a recent Judge Foil
I'm almost 100% positive somebody at wizards stated after the spoil of Mana Drain as a judge promo that it would become more widely available later this year. Most people assumed it meant as a promo for lower level judges too, but I always assumed it meant that it was going to be in the rumored eternal oriented product. So my guess is it is in this new set. The news about mana drain being more available along with all the other leaks that seemed to all fit together is how I kinda felt 100% positive this masters set was real from the get go.
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
It's a strong card, sure. But what justifies it more as a mythic than a rare. We only have seen two cards so far though, the power level of the set is still a mystery.
It's mythic for price/pack sales. Let's not kid ourselves. It was fine at rare in vintage masters on mtgo.
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No more bannings other than the reserved list and dexterity/ante cards? Players can finally play their JtMS, SFMs, Bloodbraid Elf, Birthing Pod, Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin now! Hurray!
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Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People ***** about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.
tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.
Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
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xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.
Even if you're mostly right, examples of reprints such as Tarmogoyf on Modern Masters 1 and 2 haven't made the original Future Sight one price to drop.
it's value is being steadily maintained at around US$190.00 for quite a long time now (it was at this value before MM1...) while Modern Masters are at 150-ish.
reprinting Tarmogoyf on MM hasn't really affected the collector's price for the Future Sight version and made slightly easier to buy in a playset if all you want is to play with it, I guess reprinting ABUR duals in this new set (or any other valuable reserved list cards for that matter) would end up having similar behavior.
Underground Sea fetches about US$300.00 a piece nowadays.
the Revised version would most likely keep it's value or drop 10% at most while the Eternal Masters version would probably be worth US$200.00 ish....
this doesn't come even close to destroy the value of the ABUR lands, wouldn't make the game less profitable for investors, as certainly some other legacy staples are sure to plummet if the format becomes more popular due to being more acessible.
Not overloading the market with staple cards is certainly a good thing as you've pointed. The reserved list is not.
You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?
If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.
Because collectors paid a lot of money for their cards? To say nobody cares about the value of their belongings doesn't make sense. It's like anything else you own, a car, house, gold, shoe collection, etc.
WOTC gave their word that they wouldn't get rid of the reserve list. Your word is bond, something a lot of people don't understand. If you say something, promise something abide by it.
I personally don't like the reserve list but I do respect that WOTC hasn't gone back on their word.
I'm looking into getting a couple more Duals for my EDH decks, I guess I need to start buying them now...
I'm guessing it was my post you were intending to quote (which was not deleted by the way) so I'll go ahead and reply. I think the thing you're missing is that this card game wasn't always Money: The Gathering. There was a time not long ago, just a few years back actually, when Revised edition Underground Sea were $30 each and Wasteland was $20.
During that time was when Legacy grew to the height of it's popularity and nearly every LGS in my area ran Legacy once a week, because just about anyone could afford to play it and people liked playing the eternal format with the most diversity. Now fast forward a few years later to today, when Legacy cards are absurdly expensive and few people can afford to play the format competitively. What has happened? Well, in my area all but two of the stores that used to run Legacy have stopped running it. Why? Because most players can't afford to play it anymore and tournament attendance was too low to support it.
On the flip side of things, the past couple years—since the relative demise of Legacy—there has been big increase in interest in the paper Pauper format and several stores in my area that used to run Legacy now run Pauper instead. In Pauper there are only a few (literally, 3 or 4) cards worth more than $5 each and the stores that run Pauper still make a good profit supporting the format and running events for it. Why? Not because of the value of the cards in the format, but because people are happy to pay tournament entry fees to play it.
The best thing for Magic players is to keep eternal formats as cheap and easy to get into as possible, because that draws more players to the format. Make the format too expensive by not reprinting cards enough to keep prices down and the format will die, but reprint them enough to get dual lands and all those other ridiculously overpriced peices of cardboard in Legacy back down to the $20 to $40 each that they were at the height of the format's popularity and Legacy will flourish again. And if the paper Pauper format is any indication, stores will still make tidy profits running events just from tournament entry fees and game accessory sales (sleeves, dice, playmats, snacks, etc).
MtG isn't the stock market, it's a game. And games that are too expensive to attract players just don't last. With that in mind, I think Wizards pulling a page from YuGiOh's reprinting playbook is the best thing that could happen to eternal formats. We need a little less Money: The Gathering and a little more Magic: The Gathering.
Just because someone isn't planning on selling their collection any time soon doesn't mean they won't ever sell it. I never understood why people think collectors are bad for the game. Collectors buy product, making wizards money either directly or indirectly depending on what they bought, either way money is being put into the game and that's almost always a good thing.
If you make people play shocklands, red delver is now basically unplayable, fetch, shock, daze my steam vents is 6 life. Shardless is also unplayable, you take too much damage from the mana base. Basically, all of our fair decks get pushed out of the format, burn loves it when its opponents either lose massive tempo, or need to bolt themselves twice.
Regarding prices, I'm rather irked that they are reprinting my entire deck, but I understand that its for the good of legacy, and was fortunate enough to trade into the format. The problem was that DnT was never that hard of a deck to trade for. Its the RL staples that are the problem, and I really don't want to play 3 DnT mirrors every legacy Thursday, even if my experience with the deck gives me an edge.
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UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
Not even sure if I will buy any but I sure as heck am not gonna make the same mistake as last time and preorder a box...
RETIRED - GAME SUCKS
Modern:
UUUMerfolksUUU
RGoblinsR
Ad Nauseam
BR 8 Racks RB
WUB Mill BUW
Legacy:
XOps! All splels! X
What I think of MaRo
Exactly. I can't believe how many people think you must play duals in legacy, like it's the only playable land. Checklands work too. None of the games I lost in legacy would have been won if I had original duals instead of shocks. There's also plenty of playable mono color decks, at least one for each color. Personally I see no reason at all to spend $100+ on a single dual land when much cheaper options exist.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
What mono green deck did you have in mind? Elves runs dual lands, and for the optimal build, its pretty important. I never said you can't get away with not running duals, but if you play a brainstorm deck, its kinda optimal. Bolting yourself aint fun in a grindy format, you cant fetch checks,
Death and Taxes
Pauper
UB Teachings
Tortured Existence
Murasa Tron
Modern
Pod (RIP)
Bloom(RIP)
Merfolk
*please* print Demonic Tutor in this!
At Rare, if not Uncommon.
I know the leakers say Infernal Tutor is in,
and I hope that doesn't affect DT.
EDIT: reading that leak again, it seems they may actually *mean* Demonic Tutor.
Let's hope so!
I'm guessing Mana Drain is out since it's a recent Judge Foil
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
You're missing an important difference: MTG is a game, not currency. For those of us who don't want to cash out, the $ value of our cards makes no difference. We're just trying to play.
I welcome the crash and hope you're right, but remember that the Reversed List remains in place.
We all know nothing from the reserved list will be present. I could see Rishadan Port as a Mythic...it would be a good set to reprint it. Hopefully it isn't just those two cards and a bunch of commander deck chaff.
Currently offering 2 non-foil Kolighan's Command for a Date Stamped foil!
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If Wasteland is Rare I don't see any reason at all for Port to be Rare,
but I'm sure we will see quite a number of "headscratchers" re: rarity.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
You don't have to fetch them, that's the point. Unless you are actually playing brainstorm or KoTR fetchlands are not a must. Good consistent land bases can be built without duals or fetches if you want to. Is it "optimal", no but it's fine for your local legacy scene.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Playing a lot of shocks is a good way to lose to Price of Progress.
I'm almost 100% positive somebody at wizards stated after the spoil of Mana Drain as a judge promo that it would become more widely available later this year. Most people assumed it meant as a promo for lower level judges too, but I always assumed it meant that it was going to be in the rumored eternal oriented product. So my guess is it is in this new set. The news about mana drain being more available along with all the other leaks that seemed to all fit together is how I kinda felt 100% positive this masters set was real from the get go.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
It's mythic for price/pack sales. Let's not kid ourselves. It was fine at rare in vintage masters on mtgo.