I hope the set symbol design team was paid appropriately for their grand effort.
It is quite a remarkable feat to take the terribly horrendous set symbol from Modern Masters (2013), remove the offending bottom portion of it, and brilliantly mirror it for what can only be described as, "Yet another piece of garbage."
Here's an idea (and what I am betting all of my internet value on), new Eternal. The highly rumored Reserved list-less Legacy. Everyone wins, people can now get less expensive cards (all the cards from this set, etc.) and reserved list remains intact and old cards hold their relative value.
Except for all the Legacy players whose decks are unplayable due to Reserved List lynchpins being stricken from the format.
Or the "collectors" who suddenly find out that, absent strong player demand, a lot of their cards are suddenly not worth squat. No way Revised duals can maintain their prices without the existence of Legacy.
Honestly, it bothers me that they have qualms with violating the spirit of the reserved list. Yes, the greedy folks could try suing, but they wouldn't win because they technically didn't reprint anything they promised not to. Anytime I hear "spirit of the reserved list" it takes every ounce of willpower not to flame out.
I agree; in fact, I say open the vaults. Print better duals at uncommon some non-Standard set. Reprint everything as cheap as possible. Unsurprisingly, WotC thinks differently. In theory, though, they could make a bunch of money printing a set of improved duals. Of course, if it enrages collectors, is this option actually better than just abolishing the Reserved List?
I hope the set symbol design team was paid appropriately for their grand effort.
It is quite a remarkable feat to take the terribly horrendous set symbol from Modern Masters (2013), remove the offending bottom portion of it, and brilliantly mirror it for what can only be described as, "Yet another piece of garbage."
I like it. Much better than MM/MM15.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
My hope is they view this as a huge success and after heavy feedback from the community, in 2 years for Magic's 25th birthday they make a Eternal Masters Reserved (EMR) set with all of the RL cards worth anything and some other highly sought after eternal played cards and then we can move the eff on from the RL complaints.
The big question is what will be in this set and what will be the rarity. Having FoW at mythic is not a good sign imo, though it is a good sign that Wasteland is standard rare. Honestly, the quality of the set doesn't mean jack assuming it has even a handful of the sought after cards, the set will still sell out. I just hope it isn't a situation where there will be a ton of junk rares and a handful of $100 rares, but that's usually how Wizards does it. I also hope that the P3K cards will be in the set, as they seem to be the biggest issue right now, but who knows.
Here's an idea (and what I am betting all of my internet value on), new Eternal. The highly rumored Reserved list-less Legacy. Everyone wins, people can now get less expensive cards (all the cards from this set, etc.) and reserved list remains intact and old cards hold their relative value.
Except for all the Legacy players whose decks are unplayable due to Reserved List lynchpins being stricken from the format.
Or the "collectors" who suddenly find out that, absent strong player demand, a lot of their cards are suddenly not worth squat. No way Revised duals can maintain their prices without the existence of Legacy.
"Collectors" are not worried about revised dual lands. Duals will still hold a relatively high value, and original Alpha and Beta duals will not even lose much value at all. At least not so much as to upset real collectors who you think will be pissed by a new Eternal format.
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Indianapolis Regionals 2009 (Standard)
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I am gonna be bashed for this, but man, the new FoW looks even better than the Alliances one
It's not difficult to beat an aboriginal dude taking a dump. Personally I wish they used the judge promo art but I understand why they didn't. This art is good too.
It can't be Windswept Heath because both it and Wooded Foothills are after Wasteland alphabetically and Wizards wouldn't print one without the other. My guess is Wirewood Lodge: it fits in with Wizards' mandatory requirement that all $10/pack sets be filled with draft chaff instead of desirable reprints. We might get allied shocks and enemy fetches, or allied filters and enemy fetches, or no enemy fetches at all and checklands or painlands in a $10/pack set (ugh).
It can't be Windswept Heath because both it and Wooded Foothills are after Wasteland alphabetically and Wizards wouldn't print one without the other. My guess is Wirewood Lodge: it fits in with Wizards' mandatory requirement that all $10/pack sets be filled with draft chaff instead of desirable reprints. We might get allied shocks and enemy fetches, or allied filters and enemy fetches, or no enemy fetches at all and checklands or painlands in a $10/pack set (ugh).
Here's an idea (and what I am betting all of my internet value on), new Eternal. The highly rumored Reserved list-less Legacy. Everyone wins, people can now get less expensive cards (all the cards from this set, etc.) and reserved list remains intact and old cards hold their relative value.
That is a format that would make me both happy and sad. Despite what most people will have you believe, there are really only a handful of RL cards that see play in top-tier decks that aren't dual lands. Mostly, it's just lion's eye diamond. Unfortunately, it includes important random cards like gaea's cradle, city of traitors, and a couple others that are critical to specific cool decks. The most annoying loss to me would be cursed scroll, which is critical to pox (my pet deck) and has no reason to be on the RL anyway.
All of that aside, I'm not sure what legacy would look like with shocks in place of fetches. Burn would be fairly insane, and daze would be WAY worse. LED is critical to the competitiveness of basically every good combo deck, so with that gone, aggro in general would be a ton better, and legacy would look a lot more like modern.
Honestly, at the end of the day I think this set is aimed more at Commander than Legacy. There's a lot of high-dollar legacy staples that see a ton of EDH play, so Legacy will benefit, but I think that's a secondary goal for WOTC. I still dont' know what they're going to do about duals, though... Every EDH player wants ABUR duals.
It can't be Windswept Heath because both it and Wooded Foothills are after Wasteland alphabetically and Wizards wouldn't print one without the other. My guess is Wirewood Lodge: it fits in with Wizards' mandatory requirement that all $10/pack sets be filled with draft chaff instead of desirable reprints. We might get allied shocks and enemy fetches, or allied filters and enemy fetches, or no enemy fetches at all and checklands or painlands in a $10/pack set (ugh).
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
"Collectors" are not worried about revised dual lands. Duals will still hold a relatively high value, and original Alpha and Beta duals will not even lose much value at all. At least not so much as to upset real collectors who you think will be pissed by a new Eternal format.
You're absolutely correct, which is why I put quotes around collectors. As you say, true collectors are interested in rare printings, so things like ABU or FBB duals will hold value based solely on their scarcity. But the "collectors" (perhaps "investors" is a better term, but not one Wizards is likely to employ) will be very mad that their "collections" of, relatively common, Revised duals plummet as demand drops sharply.
It can't be Windswept Heath because both it and Wooded Foothills are after Wasteland alphabetically and Wizards wouldn't print one without the other. My guess is Wirewood Lodge: it fits in with Wizards' mandatory requirement that all $10/pack sets be filled with draft chaff instead of desirable reprints. We might get allied shocks and enemy fetches, or allied filters and enemy fetches, or no enemy fetches at all and checklands or painlands in a $10/pack set (ugh).
"Collectors" are not worried about revised dual lands. Duals will still hold a relatively high value, and original Alpha and Beta duals will not even lose much value at all. At least not so much as to upset real collectors who you think will be pissed by a new Eternal format.
You're absolutely correct, which is why I put quotes around collectors. As you say, true collectors are interested in rare printings, so things like ABU or FBB duals will hold value based solely on their scarcity. But the "collectors" (perhaps "investors" is a better term, but not one Wizards is likely to employ) will be very mad that their "collections" of, relatively common, Revised duals plummet as demand drops sharply.
Honestly it would make me so happy to see that, though I would feel bad for actual Legacy players that would lose a lot of money in the process.
Overall a new format like that is certainly a possibility since it doesn't violate the reserve list, but I think it will only happen once Legacy is truly dead not right now where it's still somewhat active.
It's been a LONG time since I played MtG (you know job, wife, kids), but I like reading the forums. I would personally like to see Daze come back at common.
Seeing those, I'm thinking it's probably Wirewood Lodge. It would support an elf draft theme.
Edit: Though, remembering some disappointing pulls of MM2015, it wouldn't be surprising to see Yavimaya Coast
Seems strange that there is no mention of it in the announcement. It can't be less than 24 but could it be back to 36?!
I've got a case reserved. Gonna sell all my money cards I don't use in EDH (which is a bunch) and go out in style!!
Trick confirmed 24 packs in a tweet, as well as a foil per pack returning.
Indianapolis Regionals 2009 (Standard)
Worldwake Gameday (Limited)
See my alters here: http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/jimmy2do/Cards/
It is quite a remarkable feat to take the terribly horrendous set symbol from Modern Masters (2013), remove the offending bottom portion of it, and brilliantly mirror it for what can only be described as, "Yet another piece of garbage."
Except for all the Legacy players whose decks are unplayable due to Reserved List lynchpins being stricken from the format.
Or the "collectors" who suddenly find out that, absent strong player demand, a lot of their cards are suddenly not worth squat. No way Revised duals can maintain their prices without the existence of Legacy.
I agree; in fact, I say open the vaults. Print better duals at uncommon some non-Standard set. Reprint everything as cheap as possible. Unsurprisingly, WotC thinks differently. In theory, though, they could make a bunch of money printing a set of improved duals. Of course, if it enrages collectors, is this option actually better than just abolishing the Reserved List?
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
The big question is what will be in this set and what will be the rarity. Having FoW at mythic is not a good sign imo, though it is a good sign that Wasteland is standard rare. Honestly, the quality of the set doesn't mean jack assuming it has even a handful of the sought after cards, the set will still sell out. I just hope it isn't a situation where there will be a ton of junk rares and a handful of $100 rares, but that's usually how Wizards does it. I also hope that the P3K cards will be in the set, as they seem to be the biggest issue right now, but who knows.
"Collectors" are not worried about revised dual lands. Duals will still hold a relatively high value, and original Alpha and Beta duals will not even lose much value at all. At least not so much as to upset real collectors who you think will be pissed by a new Eternal format.
Indianapolis Regionals 2009 (Standard)
Worldwake Gameday (Limited)
See my alters here: http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/jimmy2do/Cards/
IF they keep modern the same, and make legacy with the reserve only for vintage, I will buy into so hard.
I very much agree, and definately want one.
Her new art is in this thread.
RGWMayael the AnimaRGW
UBRMarchesa, the Black RoseUBR
Modern Decks
RGWNaya BurnRGW
Oh my urza! Your right.
Eternal Masters is going to be great!
Commander: Hazezon Tamar (GRW), Arjun, the Shifting Flame (UR), [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Tiny Leader: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Peasant Dragon: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Modern: Orzhova Spirits (WB)
Legacy: Burn (R)
Vintage: Bazaar Dredge (B)
It's not difficult to beat an aboriginal dude taking a dump. Personally I wish they used the judge promo art but I understand why they didn't. This art is good too.
Reserved List
People, last time, it's on the reserved list.
That is a format that would make me both happy and sad. Despite what most people will have you believe, there are really only a handful of RL cards that see play in top-tier decks that aren't dual lands. Mostly, it's just lion's eye diamond. Unfortunately, it includes important random cards like gaea's cradle, city of traitors, and a couple others that are critical to specific cool decks. The most annoying loss to me would be cursed scroll, which is critical to pox (my pet deck) and has no reason to be on the RL anyway.
All of that aside, I'm not sure what legacy would look like with shocks in place of fetches. Burn would be fairly insane, and daze would be WAY worse. LED is critical to the competitiveness of basically every good combo deck, so with that gone, aggro in general would be a ton better, and legacy would look a lot more like modern.
Honestly, at the end of the day I think this set is aimed more at Commander than Legacy. There's a lot of high-dollar legacy staples that see a ton of EDH play, so Legacy will benefit, but I think that's a secondary goal for WOTC. I still dont' know what they're going to do about duals, though... Every EDH player wants ABUR duals.
ain't stoppin me from taking that shot!
On topic... I think it's wirewood lodge. Maybe we get a cool elf-thematic with heritage druid, nettle sentinel, natural order and glimpse of nature.
You're absolutely correct, which is why I put quotes around collectors. As you say, true collectors are interested in rare printings, so things like ABU or FBB duals will hold value based solely on their scarcity. But the "collectors" (perhaps "investors" is a better term, but not one Wizards is likely to employ) will be very mad that their "collections" of, relatively common, Revised duals plummet as demand drops sharply.
Ooh yes. I hope they do a iconic tribal for each color. Red for Goblins, Green for Elves, Blue for Merfolk, etc, etc.
Commander: Hazezon Tamar (GRW), Arjun, the Shifting Flame (UR), [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Tiny Leader: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Peasant Dragon: [Waiting on Amonkhet]
Modern: Orzhova Spirits (WB)
Legacy: Burn (R)
Vintage: Bazaar Dredge (B)
Normally I would curse you, but the same artist did both. So you can live curse free for now.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Honestly it would make me so happy to see that, though I would feel bad for actual Legacy players that would lose a lot of money in the process.
Overall a new format like that is certainly a possibility since it doesn't violate the reserve list, but I think it will only happen once Legacy is truly dead not right now where it's still somewhat active.
You know if we're getting cabal therapy, that's probably the one we'll get, right?