Just letting you know that Gatherer now contains OGW cards and has the errata for the C symbol, though we won't see the update bulletin for a few days.
So, convoke can't pay for a C even if the creature you're tapping is colorless..
At this point, it's moot, as there aren't any convoke spells with C. However, with the current rulings, you are correct. My assumption is that if they print convoke again, and any of the spells have C in them, convoke rulings will be updated to allow colorless creatures to be tapped to pay for that specifically.
Chief Engineer grants convoke to all of your artifact spells. So it's not an obscure technicality yet as we probably will be getting artifacts that require C in the near future.
Convoke was widely tolerated or even liked throughout the community in the times it was used, so I would guess we will eventually revisit it again.
I would like to see a sliver that grants all of your sliver spells convoke, but the few times such a sliver would have advantages over Gemhide and Manaweft is greatly diminished if it can't pay for C under the current rules for convoke.
Hey I'm sorry this is somewhat off topic, but how come sets from the past few years on The Gatherer don't have comments/ratings? I find the comments extremely useful in figuring out how certain cards are supposed to work and really miss it for all the newer cards.
^Considering that the official WotC forums went the way of the dodo in order to keep Magic conversation on the big social media sites, I have my doubts that the Gatherer comment section will ever be reopened. A shame, too. I always wanted to say "SurraKamehameha!" in the Surrakar Banisher comment page.
When I saw this thread at first I was hopeful that the comment section in gatherer had been fixed.
Me too, I thought they finally fixed it. I personally like seeing the ratings and reading comments on cards. It's embarrassing that a large company like WOTC couldn't have bothered to fix it by now. If I had a company with an error like that I would be filled with shame until it is fixed.
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When I saw this thread at first I was hopeful that the comment section in gatherer had been fixed.
Me too, I thought they finally fixed it. I personally like seeing the ratings and reading comments on cards. It's embarrassing that a large company like WOTC couldn't have bothered to fix it by now. If I had a company with an error like that I would be filled with shame until it is fixed.
Yeah, really. How can such a large corporation fail to fix such an easy tech issue? For the record, I don't claim to know how to fix it or what the actual issue is but we put men on the moon over fifty years ago and have proved the existence and properties of subatomic particles...oh and nearly every site on the internet has a (working) comments section. Hmmmm.
I didn't read the comments often, but the ratings were quite useful for sorting large searches and finding more interesting cards. It's a shame WotC cares so little about tech-related things.
Chief Engineer grants convoke to all of your artifact spells. So it's not an obscure technicality yet as we probably will be getting artifacts that require C in the near future.
"Each creature you tap while casting an artifact spell pays for 1 or one mana of that creature's color." Colorless isn't a color; it's the opposite of color. Nothing has changed, so no surprise there. We've already been told we probably WON'T be getting any cards requiring C in the near future.
Well, it's an irrelevant point. It's impossible to give one of these Eldrazi convoke so until there's a need to address the issue (an artifact that costs C for example), it's a moot point.
At this point, it's moot, as there aren't any convoke spells with C. However, with the current rulings, you are correct. My assumption is that if they print convoke again, and any of the spells have C in them, convoke rulings will be updated to allow colorless creatures to be tapped to pay for that specifically.
Convoke was widely tolerated or even liked throughout the community in the times it was used, so I would guess we will eventually revisit it again.
I would like to see a sliver that grants all of your sliver spells convoke, but the few times such a sliver would have advantages over Gemhide and Manaweft is greatly diminished if it can't pay for C under the current rules for convoke.
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Me too, I thought they finally fixed it. I personally like seeing the ratings and reading comments on cards. It's embarrassing that a large company like WOTC couldn't have bothered to fix it by now. If I had a company with an error like that I would be filled with shame until it is fixed.
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WUR Control
WWW Prison
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UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Seriously, it's been a year and a half already.
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As for the Comments Section on gatherer, from what we've been told, something broke when they did an update to it, but they do intend to fix it.
Edit: And it (Gatherer) is working again.
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