I don't think it can be cast off of just Eye + Urborg, right? Eye reduces the generic cost, but doesn't provide colorless. I think you'll need an Eldrazi Temple in there somewhere to live the T2 dream.
Actually, interesting question- will Heartless Summoning's oracle text now read, "Creature spells you cast cost <><> less to cast"?
No. Cost reduction effects like Heartless Summoning reduce only the generic mana cost of spells, and will continue to do so as they always have. They have no effect on C symbols in mana costs.
One huge detail in the clique comparison that no one has brought up is cliques ability to not take any card which happens very very often. With this if your op has all blanks and they kill this then they are up a card.
Actually, interesting question- will Heartless Summoning's oracle text now read, "Creature spells you cast cost <><> less to cast"?
That would be a functional errata and as such very unlikely. Besides, if it was changed to reduce it by CC it would end up costing 3. See how cards like Edgewalker and Ragemonger works.
Clique is enormously better. Flash is a big deal on higher cost creatures, and the rate of the creature is better (a 4/4 is worth 3 mana, and a 3/1 flier about 2.5).
But that doesn't mean this card is bad. After all Brainstorm is the best card in Legacy despite being strictly worse than another card.
My feeling is that this card will be pushed out of Standard and Modern in the short term by all the 4/5 creatures (Tasigur, Siege Rhino and the slightly bigger Gurmang Angler) but once they rotate out of Standard, and/or fall out of favor in Modern, this card should be playable in both formats.
Clique is enormously better. Flash is a big deal on higher cost creatures, and the rate of the creature is better (a 4/4 is worth 3 mana, and a 3/1 flier about 2.5).
But that doesn't mean this card is bad. After all Brainstorm is the best card in Legacy despite being strictly worse than another card.
My feeling is that this card will be pushed out of Standard and Modern in the short term by all the 4/5 creatures (Tasigur, Siege Rhino and the slightly bigger Gurmang Angler) but once they rotate out of Standard, and/or fall out of favor in Modern, this card should be playable in both formats.
If it doesn't see play in the Eldrazi decks running around currently in Modern, I'll eat my hat. Won't say what the correct number is, but being able to turn 2 this thing, exiling their most important card in hand, and being a good body all bode well for it.
That said, I need one of these guys in foil. Hell, I need all of these guys in foil. I don't even care if its worth anything, it would look stellar.
Pros:
-Seals the card advantage until it dies.
-4/4 body
-Easier color investment than double blue.
Cons:
-1 more mana
-No evasion
-No flash.
The last two are incredibly relevant issues in decks that want to play Clique, but the first pro is a big one. Definitely a big contender.
Edit: Also note that you can use Clique on yourself, which is a correct play more than zero times.
Also to note is that, if this card fizzles, your opponent still gets to draw a card once he dies, while Vendillion Clique only gives the draw if you shuffle. Basically, in lategame, this card is far worse than Clique.
It's also a sweet multiplayer card, as you may choose different targets for both triggers.
I feel old. I remember when a 4/4 for 4 in green, the giant creature color, was good with very little in the way of abilities. Now you get it in colorless (not even a high colorless requirement), and it has a black effect. And you get "green" 5/5s for 5 in colorless with a mainly red (haste is tertiary green I believe, though it may be secondary) and a blue ability (the counter if targeted clause). I realize that it is harder to splash these than the usual generically colorless cards, just like splashing green in a red deck for some finishing beaters, but it seems weird that their answer to colorless's color pie is to just take aspects of all the other colors and mix them in ways you couldn't get outside multicolor normally (ie: a "green" body and cost with a "blue" (maybe crossed in black?) ability tacked on) and at a great value price. For the pricing they basically take the value of if these had been multicolored it feels like the 5/5 for 5 which would not have felt out of place in Timur as 2GUR.
Yes.
Solid card though!
Clique.
I'm starting to get the feeling that Wizards searched "exile" in gatherer and checked for BFZ mechanics there.
Scions and Spawn do that.
Those aren't mana dorks.Unless they have them as regular cards and not tokens it would be interesting
Actually, interesting question- will Heartless Summoning's oracle text now read, "Creature spells you cast cost <><> less to cast"?
No. Cost reduction effects like Heartless Summoning reduce only the generic mana cost of spells, and will continue to do so as they always have. They have no effect on C symbols in mana costs.
R Citizen Cane (Feldon of the Third Path)
Clique is enormously better. Flash is a big deal on higher cost creatures, and the rate of the creature is better (a 4/4 is worth 3 mana, and a 3/1 flier about 2.5).
But that doesn't mean this card is bad. After all Brainstorm is the best card in Legacy despite being strictly worse than another card.
My feeling is that this card will be pushed out of Standard and Modern in the short term by all the 4/5 creatures (Tasigur, Siege Rhino and the slightly bigger Gurmang Angler) but once they rotate out of Standard, and/or fall out of favor in Modern, this card should be playable in both formats.
If it doesn't see play in the Eldrazi decks running around currently in Modern, I'll eat my hat. Won't say what the correct number is, but being able to turn 2 this thing, exiling their most important card in hand, and being a good body all bode well for it.
That said, I need one of these guys in foil. Hell, I need all of these guys in foil. I don't even care if its worth anything, it would look stellar.
Damn right you do!
Fan of Both old and new Slivers (But the new ones are still better anyway)
C Call of Emrakul - G vs R DD: Elves vs. Goblins - W vs B DD: Divine vs. Demonic - WUB Esper Artifice - RGW Aura Dancers
WUBRG Wrath of the Reaper King - WB Men of Faith - B Mercenaries - UB Phyrexian Assault 2.0 - WU Artifacts of Empires
BR Skeleton Warriors - RG Night of The Howlpack - B Bog Murderers - BR Eldrazi Assault - BGU Ulamog's Swarm
Also to note is that, if this card fizzles, your opponent still gets to draw a card once he dies, while Vendillion Clique only gives the draw if you shuffle. Basically, in lategame, this card is far worse than Clique.
It's also a sweet multiplayer card, as you may choose different targets for both triggers.
GENERATION 11: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
My Have/Want list (MTGO)
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Oh, did you think you were going to wrath the board next turn? Thought not!