Now that it's officially spoiled I can talk about how much I love the new Chandra. I have an Omnath, Locus of Rage EDH deck, and being able to make a pair of 3/1s with haste is insane in that deck.
If I ever play Hedron Alignment, it's only going to be for the 1U Scry 1. And even then, it may only be marginally better than just running Crystal Ball.
Ok, if Zendikar lives and Titans are defeated, I'm literally sad. I love Zendikar as a plane, but the Eldrazi winning would be actually something. Especially seeing the levels of devastation they've started to show us this set...it just feels wrong.
Yeah, the implied victory here is just kind of a huge lore fail. Hur dur two oldwalkers (only Nahiri and Sorin made attempts to directly oppose, Ugin wanted to capture from the get-go) had no effect at all and had to elaborately team up with a third to even restrain these guys but hey thanks to FRIENDSHIP this bickering band of nigh-infinitely weaker beings is going to just outright kill two titans?
No you don't understand. They took oaths, that's why.
So... One all-consuming, indestructible, mountain-sized walking deity of annihilation, and one equally large, sanity-destroying, reality-shaping, completely incomprehensible Titan of pure madness (one which JUST RANDOMLY SHOWED UP OUT OF NOWHERE TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD). Both of which were able to withstand the combined forces of three near-godlike individuals in the past. Oh, and you just collectively got pimp-slapped by a SINGLE relatively de-powered demon, who ruined all your well laid plans, decimated your army, and sent your "soul of the world" elemental packing.
With this Avengers feeling coming from this set, I really hope that Wizards doesn't see this as a springboard to launch their future Magic the Gathering movie. Could you imagine that? Uggggg.
This set has so many sweepers, let alone the ones currently available.
Tendrils, Kozilek's Return, Chandra...
Die Rush Aggro die. Kind of irritating really. There need to be some, but this is ridiculous.
I hope WOTC didn't make the cliche mistake of Super Hero movies of killing the villain completely. I can see them managing to destroy the incarnations, but the Titans don't even exist on a plane?
Alternative win cons are fun. Battle of Wits was my favorite.
The real deal is the Smasher. That guy is great.
Chandras Oath... is okay? I have a knee jerk, "these cards suck," when it comes to all things with the word Chandra on them, sadly. However, this version looks playable. I think it'll come down to the sweeper ability being good against the meta.
So... One all-consuming, indestructible, mountain-sized walking deity of annihilation, and one equally large, sanity-destroying, reality-shaping, completely incomprehensible Titan of pure madness (one which JUST RANDOMLY SHOWED UP OUT OF NOWHERE TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD). Both of which were able to withstand the combined forces of three near-godlike individuals in the past. Oh, and you just collectively got pimp-slapped by a SINGLE relatively de-powered demon, who ruined all your well laid plans, decimated your army, and sent your "soul of the world" elemental packing.
And you somehow win by setting them on fire.
Makes sense.
Actually, I think the flavor across the spoiled cards checks out. (Coming from somebody who doesn't typically read UR articles and such).
Using the leylines, Jace and Nissa team up to "anchor" the two Titans via Bonds of Mortality and various Hedron stuff. Then, Chandra Surges off of their spell with a massive Fall of the Titans for 12+ to blast away both of them. We're used to red mages dealing relatively small bits of damage via Lightning Bolt etc., but massive X-spells have plenty of precedent in the game, and if four Planeswalkers are working in tandem, Chandra having access to an absurd amount of mana checks out.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Formerly Angrypossum over at the now-defunct WotC forums.
So... One all-consuming, indestructible, mountain-sized walking deity of annihilation, and one equally large, sanity-destroying, reality-shaping, completely incomprehensible Titan of pure madness (one which JUST RANDOMLY SHOWED UP OUT OF NOWHERE TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD). Both of which were able to withstand the combined forces of three near-godlike individuals in the past. Oh, and you just collectively got pimp-slapped by a SINGLE relatively de-powered demon, who ruined all your well laid plans, decimated your army, and sent your "soul of the world" elemental packing.
And you somehow win by setting them on fire.
Makes sense.
Read up on the story, then comment, okay? Again: they didn't kill Ulamog and Kozilek. Just their avatars.
At no point did I say "kill them", I said "you win". I'm fully aware that they're partial manifestations, but my point's still valid. Those two partial manifestations were still built up to be the nigh-unbeatable and unknowable agents of doom I described, and even though the overall beings aren't dead, those two world-beating manifestations were beaten by fire.
Oath of Chandra seems meh. I suppose, if a dedicated Superfriends deck emerges, it'll have a role. But while the other Oaths so far have held their weight reasonably well even without their Planeswalkers-matter triggers, this one is a creature-only Volcanic Hammer.
Jace's is similarly marginal. A Compulsive Research where you always have to discard two seems very bad on its own.
So... One all-consuming, indestructible, mountain-sized walking deity of annihilation, and one equally large, sanity-destroying, reality-shaping, completely incomprehensible Titan of pure madness (one which JUST RANDOMLY SHOWED UP OUT OF NOWHERE TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD). Both of which were able to withstand the combined forces of three near-godlike individuals in the past. Oh, and you just collectively got pimp-slapped by a SINGLE relatively de-powered demon, who ruined all your well laid plans, decimated your army, and sent your "soul of the world" elemental packing.
And you somehow win by setting them on fire.
Makes sense.
Actually, I think the flavor across the spoiled cards checks out. (Coming from somebody who doesn't typically read UR articles and such).
Using the leylines, Jace and Nissa team up to "anchor" the two Titans via Bonds of Mortality and various Hedron stuff. Then, Chandra Surges off of their spell with a massive Fall of the Titans for 12+ to blast away both of them. We're used to red mages dealing relatively small bits of damage via Lightning Bolt etc., but massive X-spells have plenty of precedent in the game, and if four Planeswalkers are working in tandem, Chandra having access to an absurd amount of mana checks out.
It's not that I think it's absurd that the four of them combined can't power a big enough spell or combination of spells, I just think it's laughable that fire of any sort is randomly their Achilles heel. How does kozilek even get burned if the immediate area around him is completely warping the laws of physics? The leylines I can buy, the team-up of planeswalkers being capable of huge things I can buy, but fire being the thing that gets them? Sorry, but that's a reach.
Am I the only one expecting this Nuke from Orbit being non-black is a major flaw?
Remember how Ugin had a flaw in his seal? "Ha, you will never get out of this prison! Unless some colorless magic hits the fan.".
And what happens...
I wouldn't be surprised if black mana is the key to a future revival of Ulamog and Kozilek.
Hedron Alignment is a waste of a card slot, absolute garbage. It does almost nothing and is near impossible to pull of as an alternative win. Hexproof means you will have a monumental task getting it exiled and in the graveyard. You need something that makes you sac your own enchantments/permanents or you'll have to mill it into your GY. And you'll need something akin to oblivion sower to exile one but if you hit two your screwed, plus you better hope an Eldrazi processor doesn't UN-exile it.
Complete and utter junk, worst at win ever maybe worst card.
best green card ever printed. not only is creative, but we have never seen anything like it. it will allow for people to deal with indestructible finally other than RFG.
Ok, if Zendikar lives and Titans are defeated, I'm literally sad. I love Zendikar as a plane, but the Eldrazi winning would be actually something. Especially seeing the levels of devastation they've started to show us this set...it just feels wrong.
Yeah, the implied victory here is just kind of a huge lore fail. Hur dur two oldwalkers (only Nahiri and Sorin made attempts to directly oppose, Ugin wanted to capture from the get-go) had no effect at all and had to elaborately team up with a third to even restrain these guys but hey thanks to FRIENDSHIP this bickering band of nigh-infinitely weaker beings is going to just outright kill two titans?
It was said that Ugin didn't wanted kill the Titans cause while they where traped in Zendikar they would be at bay. The analogy he used was that realit was the surface of a lake of water, the titans in Zendikar are like figers of a hand that cannot move because their figers are being held, if you cut them off the hand can go to anywhere on the lake ( Multiverse). Pretty sure the Power Rangers just defeated the Two Titans and then trapped then again ( Soo all the Oath to watch over Zendikar ). Emrakul is still missing and Kozi and Ula are trapped again.
Why the background art at Bonds of Mortality and Fall of the Titans is same? They just change planeswalkers and few rocks there...
Presumably as a storytelling device- they depict the same scene at different moments- Nissa sets the trap in Bonds of Mortality, and Fall of the Titans is right after when Chandra initiates the final phase.
Yup it took Ugin and gang ages to get the Eldrazi to manifest in a way they could be sealed in the first place, now they're totally free. Killing a manifestation may save Zendikar but failing to reengage the seal may have doomed the multiverse.
Yeah. Weren't the Ulamog and Kozilek just extensions of the actual titans in Blind Eternities? What if they just cut their hands off, not actually kill them?
That was the whole point of Ugin's speech yes. All they just did was damn the multiverse to save one plane. Presumably why they now all are making an oath to do it again and again, not that it will be that easy given they only were able to do this because of Ugin and gang's set up millenia ago.
Yeah, this seems like less of a win and more of a set up for future tradgedy.
IKR, why is there not more hype for this? 5/5 haste, trample for 5 is a beating. Giving it a value add that you have to either sweep it up or block it down in order to kill it without 2 for 1 ing yourself is awesome. It isn't quite the same thing as hexproof, but with enough discard, it might as well be.
Fall of the Titans is an interesting fireball variant. Better when you want to hit exactly 2 targets, and the surge is going to be absurd in limited. Fireballs still rarely have a place in constructed, and the fail state is bad enough that it is likely costed out of contention.
Bonds of Mortality is noteworthy. I always like to see cheap cantrips, and this one could be a relevant sideboard card to deal with things like newlamog, although, adding 3 to the cost of a removal spell might be a bit prohibitive after you just had 2 permanents exiled...
Oath of Chandra does not excite, but it is functional, and if red is part of the oath deck (should it develop) [lotta ifs] it could be interested in this as a way to protect its walkers and provide some incremental damage in a deck that is likely to be light on creatures...
Hedron Alignment is great too- not that it is a strong card or one that I ever want to open in a booster, but it is a fantastic design for those who's cup of tea it is. It is a real shame though that there isn't a clause to allow up to 4 copies of it in your commander deck.
If I ever play Hedron Alignment, it's only going to be for the 1U Scry 1. And even then, it may only be marginally better than just running Crystal Ball.
No you don't understand. They took oaths, that's why.
Fully-powered 600-Card "Dream Cube" https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/dreamcube
450-Card "Artificer's Cube" https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/artificer
Cubing in Indianapolis...send me a PM!!
And you somehow win by setting them on fire.
Makes sense.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
Tendrils, Kozilek's Return, Chandra...
Die Rush Aggro die. Kind of irritating really. There need to be some, but this is ridiculous.
I hope WOTC didn't make the cliche mistake of Super Hero movies of killing the villain completely. I can see them managing to destroy the incarnations, but the Titans don't even exist on a plane?
Alternative win cons are fun. Battle of Wits was my favorite.
The real deal is the Smasher. That guy is great.
Chandras Oath... is okay? I have a knee jerk, "these cards suck," when it comes to all things with the word Chandra on them, sadly. However, this version looks playable. I think it'll come down to the sweeper ability being good against the meta.
Nope. Look at the green enchantment, read the flavor texts on both, notice the similar art? this is obviously a 4 card cycle.
Actually, I think the flavor across the spoiled cards checks out. (Coming from somebody who doesn't typically read UR articles and such).
Using the leylines, Jace and Nissa team up to "anchor" the two Titans via Bonds of Mortality and various Hedron stuff. Then, Chandra Surges off of their spell with a massive Fall of the Titans for 12+ to blast away both of them. We're used to red mages dealing relatively small bits of damage via Lightning Bolt etc., but massive X-spells have plenty of precedent in the game, and if four Planeswalkers are working in tandem, Chandra having access to an absurd amount of mana checks out.
At no point did I say "kill them", I said "you win". I'm fully aware that they're partial manifestations, but my point's still valid. Those two partial manifestations were still built up to be the nigh-unbeatable and unknowable agents of doom I described, and even though the overall beings aren't dead, those two world-beating manifestations were beaten by fire.
Possibly just a two-card "cycle", since Gideon and Jace are featured already.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Jace's is similarly marginal. A Compulsive Research where you always have to discard two seems very bad on its own.
I'd rank them:
Nissa
(gap)
Gideon
(large gap)
Jace
Chandra
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
It's not that I think it's absurd that the four of them combined can't power a big enough spell or combination of spells, I just think it's laughable that fire of any sort is randomly their Achilles heel. How does kozilek even get burned if the immediate area around him is completely warping the laws of physics? The leylines I can buy, the team-up of planeswalkers being capable of huge things I can buy, but fire being the thing that gets them? Sorry, but that's a reach.
Am I the only one expecting this Nuke from Orbit being non-black is a major flaw?
Remember how Ugin had a flaw in his seal? "Ha, you will never get out of this prison! Unless some colorless magic hits the fan.".
And what happens...
I wouldn't be surprised if black mana is the key to a future revival of Ulamog and Kozilek.
( 0.0 )
=O ((U/R)) O=
(")(")
I'm an AI making Magic cards.
http://www.staalmedia.nl/nexus/#generate
Complete and utter junk, worst at win ever maybe worst card.
Why yes, I think it did.
Signature by Inkfox Aesthetics by Xen
[Modern] Allies
It was said that Ugin didn't wanted kill the Titans cause while they where traped in Zendikar they would be at bay. The analogy he used was that realit was the surface of a lake of water, the titans in Zendikar are like figers of a hand that cannot move because their figers are being held, if you cut them off the hand can go to anywhere on the lake ( Multiverse). Pretty sure the Power Rangers just defeated the Two Titans and then trapped then again ( Soo all the Oath to watch over Zendikar ). Emrakul is still missing and Kozi and Ula are trapped again.
Presumably as a storytelling device- they depict the same scene at different moments- Nissa sets the trap in Bonds of Mortality, and Fall of the Titans is right after when Chandra initiates the final phase.
Yeah, this seems like less of a win and more of a set up for future tradgedy.
IKR, why is there not more hype for this? 5/5 haste, trample for 5 is a beating. Giving it a value add that you have to either sweep it up or block it down in order to kill it without 2 for 1 ing yourself is awesome. It isn't quite the same thing as hexproof, but with enough discard, it might as well be.
Fall of the Titans is an interesting fireball variant. Better when you want to hit exactly 2 targets, and the surge is going to be absurd in limited. Fireballs still rarely have a place in constructed, and the fail state is bad enough that it is likely costed out of contention.
Bonds of Mortality is noteworthy. I always like to see cheap cantrips, and this one could be a relevant sideboard card to deal with things like newlamog, although, adding 3 to the cost of a removal spell might be a bit prohibitive after you just had 2 permanents exiled...
Oath of Chandra does not excite, but it is functional, and if red is part of the oath deck (should it develop) [lotta ifs] it could be interested in this as a way to protect its walkers and provide some incremental damage in a deck that is likely to be light on creatures...
Hedron Alignment is great too- not that it is a strong card or one that I ever want to open in a booster, but it is a fantastic design for those who's cup of tea it is. It is a real shame though that there isn't a clause to allow up to 4 copies of it in your commander deck.
For the flavor, we need to wait for the UR articles to know if the titans are killed for good or not. I hope they only destroyed the avatars though.