1. How does this interact with planeswalkers that turn into creatures like Gideon and sarkhan? Does it kill them, return them to the battlefield with the same number of loyalty counters and as a creature but tapped, or does it refresh the walker?
2. How would this interact specifically with a flipped kytheon that has become a 4/4? Does it do the answer to the above, or does it turn back into kytheon?
3. If I blink a manifested non-creature permanent, will it come back into play? I ask because it says it exiles a creature then returns it to the battlefield. This is different from the text of something like flikerwisp in that it specifically says creature, so if it sees it's not a creature does it still come back? This is the same reason I'm asking if this kills walkers that become creatures.
On another note, this is probably the final straw for hangarback walker, I doubt we see it played much if at all after this set gets released.
I also think this will slot right into mardu, flickering pia and goblin dark-dwellers is ridiculous, as well as abbots, and hell, just saving one of your guys form a removal spell is insane. This will be one of the defining cards of the format moving forward.
Those cards that turn into creatures would enter the battlefield as the card they originally were, in Kytheon/Gideon's case, he'll return as Kytheon, on a Treetop Village, it'll return as a un-animated land, on the newer Gideon, it'll refresh him back to his default stats.
I guess it's a white card to avoid color bleeding, as white and blue are the colors that currently do the blinking.
These have already gone up in price on star city twice.
It's just a rare. Give it a couple weeks post release, or just trade into them. Unless you just have to have them. The way sets are opened rares can't hold an inflated price for very long.
1. How does this interact with planeswalkers that turn into creatures like Gideon and sarkhan? Does it kill them, return them to the battlefield with the same number of loyalty counters and as a creature but tapped, or does it refresh the walker?
2. How would this interact specifically with a flipped kytheon that has become a 4/4? Does it do the answer to the above, or does it turn back into kytheon?
3. If I blink a manifested non-creature permanent, will it come back into play? I ask because it says it exiles a creature then returns it to the battlefield. This is different from the text of something like flikerwisp in that it specifically says creature, so if it sees it's not a creature does it still come back? This is the same reason I'm asking if this kills walkers that become creatures.
On another note, this is probably the final straw for hangarback walker, I doubt we see it played much if at all after this set gets released.
I also think this will slot right into mardu, flickering pia and goblin dark-dwellers is ridiculous, as well as abbots, and hell, just saving one of your guys form a removal spell is insane. This will be one of the defining cards of the format moving forward.
It 'refreshes' the walker;
You get Kytheon back
You can put the non-creature permanent into play. (Thats why my Brago EDH loves manifest )
Speaking of my Brago EDH.. Hi mr. Eldrazi, plz get in there..!
The following rule applies to Q2 & 3 btw: 711.5. A double-faced card enters the battlefield with its front face up unless a spell or ability puts it onto the battlefield “transformed,” in which case it enters the battlefield with its back face up.
This was brought up in the Reddit thread, but Altar of the Brood is another win condition for the infinite ETB triggers... interesting because it keeps the combo in only two colors, which is helpful for deckbuilding, but those two colors are not very good at drawing cards or preventing your opponent from stopping your combo.
This was brought up in the Reddit thread, but Altar of the Brood is another win condition for the infinite ETB triggers... interesting because it keeps the combo in only two colors, which is helpful for deckbuilding, but those two colors are not very good at drawing cards or preventing your opponent from stopping your combo.
No, but that lets you run the combo in Bant which is much better at drawing cards and preventing combo interruptions. That also lets you run Reflector Mage which is a good flicker target.
OH HOLY-Flickering in Standard with Morph and Manifest? This should lead to some "interesting" combos.
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Strangler is one of the weird ones that is on ETB, not on cast.
The one thing that disappoints me is that it's not able to flicker itself. I suppose having "2C: Blank any removal targeting this" would probably be too strong though
Still, obvious plant for SoI, or obvious plant for SoI?
I'm fairly sure that was not the synergy he was hoping for.
If the exiled creature would return at the next end step, you could activate this then cast strangler and have it return the exiled creature to its' owner's gy making it effectively double removal (it "kills" one creature and another gets -3/-3).
aaaah, right right. I didn't even consider that idea, because I wasn't even considering the blink effect compared to flicker. I'm just happy to see flicker back again
This was brought up in the Reddit thread, but Altar of the Brood is another win condition for the infinite ETB triggers... interesting because it keeps the combo in only two colors, which is helpful for deckbuilding, but those two colors are not very good at drawing cards or preventing your opponent from stopping your combo.
No, but that lets you run the combo in Bant which is much better at drawing cards and preventing combo interruptions. That also lets you run Reflector Mage which is a good flicker target.
Yeah.
At first I was going to say, no, that manabase would be ugly because you'd need three colors plus colorless, but then I realized you don't need a colorless source for the infinite combo since the activation cost comes from the Brood's scions.
I'm eager to brew with this; I think you could do a turtle-and-draw-go-until-I-have-the-combo thing. Don't know if I'd use Reflector Mage but it's certainly an option. Otherwise, there's 12 fogs, I believe, between white and green, and multiple instant-speed draw effects in blue. Probably a little too cute for competitive play, but definitely a blast at an FNM.
If an instant/sorcery was face-down and attempted to be flipped face-up, it gets revealed, then stays face-down. Whenever an instant/sorcery attempts to change zones and enter the battlefield, it stays in its previous zone. This is quirky with flicker effects. As someone pointed out, this flicker has no way to allow you to normally fuel/combo a processor, because both exiling the creature and returning it to the battlefield happen on resolution, with no time for inbetween events. But replacement effects and rules prohibitions like "no instants or sorceries can enter the battlefield" can interfere with this- if you flicker a manifested lightning bolt, it gets exiled, then doesn't return, and stays in exile, and can later be used by a processor.
Now, I don't wonder at all if this card will see play, it seems like it certainly will, but I wonder where it will wind up proving most broken, if its going to just be put in next to rhino and call it a day or if any of those quirky combos will make it off the ground, or both in the same deck. I'd say the chance of any oppressive ETB triggers being in OGW alongside this are nil, since wizards would be testing closely for that in-block.
If Whisperwood Elemental manifests a face down planes walker, and it gets blinked, it would come in face up as a Walker, correct?
What if it was a manifested instant? Or any other card type than creature for that matter?
Permanents are put on the battlefield, instants / sorceries fizzle since un-manifesting them does not put them on the stack.
Yep, but it'd be an absolute crapshoot to try to get the right card on top of your library, even with Scry being evergreen. Now, if only Telling Time/Ponder/Brainstorm were Standard-legal...
Really sweet card. This could make a few really fun combo decks in standard, might actually find a home in modern as well, and is gonna be an EDH all star for years to come. I might actually play standard just for the combo potential.
Strangler is one of the weird ones that is on ETB, not on cast.
The one thing that disappoints me is that it's not able to flicker itself. I suppose having "2C: Blank any removal targeting this" would probably be too strong though
Still, obvious plant for SoI, or obvious plant for SoI?
wait what? how does it work. the creature comes back right away so how can you process it...im confused oh you mean you can flicker the strangler yes, but not use the exiled opponents creature as processor fuel.
...And this is where playing five colors in Commander becomes a disadvantage because I can't stick this thing into my InfiniteCombo.dec (which uses ETB triggers a lot) so easily...
Strangler is one of the weird ones that is on ETB, not on cast.
The one thing that disappoints me is that it's not able to flicker itself. I suppose having "2C: Blank any removal targeting this" would probably be too strong though
Still, obvious plant for SoI, or obvious plant for SoI?
wait what? how does it work. the creature comes back right away so how can you process it...im confused oh you mean you can flicker the strangler yes, but not use the exiled opponents creature as processor fuel.
You aren't processing what was blinked, you blink the strangler, process something else and kill more creatures.
Strangler is one of the weird ones that is on ETB, not on cast.
The one thing that disappoints me is that it's not able to flicker itself. I suppose having "2C: Blank any removal targeting this" would probably be too strong though
Still, obvious plant for SoI, or obvious plant for SoI?
wait what? how does it work. the creature comes back right away so how can you process it...im confused oh you mean you can flicker the strangler yes, but not use the exiled opponents creature as processor fuel.
You aren't processing what was blinked, you blink the strangler, process something else and kill more creatures.
Well i get that. I think Leslak was referring to processing the blinked creature when he said "so broken with the Wasteland Strangler."
This was brought up in the Reddit thread, but Altar of the Brood is another win condition for the infinite ETB triggers... interesting because it keeps the combo in only two colors, which is helpful for deckbuilding, but those two colors are not very good at drawing cards or preventing your opponent from stopping your combo.
Welp, this card is going directly into my Modern Venser Blink Tokens Deck! As it stands for Standard, I believe this card is an auto-include in any deck running white, even as a splash color. It's simply too powerful and eliminates it's fair share of obstacles, especially flip cards. I can see the prices on Deathmist Raptor, Den Protector, and the like going down in value exponentially because of this card (although they'll be rotating out come April) making them cheap to pick up. It may even affect the price of flip walkers (here's looking at you Jace) exponentially as well.
Those cards that turn into creatures would enter the battlefield as the card they originally were, in Kytheon/Gideon's case, he'll return as Kytheon, on a Treetop Village, it'll return as a un-animated land, on the newer Gideon, it'll refresh him back to his default stats.
I guess it's a white card to avoid color bleeding, as white and blue are the colors that currently do the blinking.
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It's just a rare. Give it a couple weeks post release, or just trade into them. Unless you just have to have them. The way sets are opened rares can't hold an inflated price for very long.
The following rule applies to Q2 & 3 btw:
711.5. A double-faced card enters the battlefield with its front face up unless a spell or ability puts it onto the battlefield “transformed,” in which case it enters the battlefield with its back face up.
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I saw them at 2.99 then 3.49
No, but that lets you run the combo in Bant which is much better at drawing cards and preventing combo interruptions. That also lets you run Reflector Mage which is a good flicker target.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
aaaah, right right. I didn't even consider that idea, because I wasn't even considering the blink effect compared to flicker. I'm just happy to see flicker back again
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Yeah.
At first I was going to say, no, that manabase would be ugly because you'd need three colors plus colorless, but then I realized you don't need a colorless source for the infinite combo since the activation cost comes from the Brood's scions.
I'm eager to brew with this; I think you could do a turtle-and-draw-go-until-I-have-the-combo thing. Don't know if I'd use Reflector Mage but it's certainly an option. Otherwise, there's 12 fogs, I believe, between white and green, and multiple instant-speed draw effects in blue. Probably a little too cute for competitive play, but definitely a blast at an FNM.
What if it was a manifested instant? Or any other card type than creature for that matter?
Permanents are put on the battlefield, instants / sorceries fizzle since un-manifesting them does not put them on the stack.
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Now, I don't wonder at all if this card will see play, it seems like it certainly will, but I wonder where it will wind up proving most broken, if its going to just be put in next to rhino and call it a day or if any of those quirky combos will make it off the ground, or both in the same deck. I'd say the chance of any oppressive ETB triggers being in OGW alongside this are nil, since wizards would be testing closely for that in-block.
Have more than enough colorless artifact sources to abuse the ability.
Yep, but it'd be an absolute crapshoot to try to get the right card on top of your library, even with Scry being evergreen. Now, if only Telling Time/Ponder/Brainstorm were Standard-legal...
wait what? how does it work. the creature comes back right away so how can you process it...im confused oh you mean you can flicker the strangler yes, but not use the exiled opponents creature as processor fuel.
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You aren't processing what was blinked, you blink the strangler, process something else and kill more creatures.
Well i get that. I think Leslak was referring to processing the blinked creature when he said "so broken with the Wasteland Strangler."
Unless you're being completely silly and pair the Eldrazi Displacer/Brood Monitor combo with Catacomb Sifter for infinite scries
I forsee a lot of FNM games going to time...