Posted tonight, didn't see it anywhere here, if I'm wrong, delete it:
Name should be Vile Redeemer but I'm not sure it's the official name, text is as follow:
*something* Redeemer (?) 2G
Creature - Eldrazi (R)
Devoid
Flash
When you cast *something* Redeemer you may pay C. If you do, put a 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature token onto the battlefield for each nontoken creature died under your control this turn. They have "Sacrifice this creature: Add C to your mana pool".
3/3
i always felt that green got terrible costings in Limited in Battle For Zendikar. sure, Brood Monitor was more along the lines of what i wanted, but the commons all could have been one less CMC imo.
nice to see that this has CMC = power and toughness! looks like a fun limited rarea!
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Hrm. Wouldn't Malignant Redeemer work for the name? Seems to sound better in English.
Well probably, but as it has been pointed out it can't be Malignant or Evil since it's #125 and it's after Scion. It's probably something like Vile Redeemer.
i don't like it. caller of the claw it's way better:
A) More relevant creature type
B) 2/2 are way better than 1/1 (one shot colorless mana)
C) Casting cost
Well, you also have to look at each within their standard format not just a vacuum. Coloress and eldrazi subtype can matter in this format, plus these aren't just vanilla 1/1's, they are mana. Not to mention Bx Eldrazi has become a decent modern deck, now I dont know if this can make the cut, but disregarding it for the reasons that you said isnt necessarily a fair assessment. Another thing is if Caller of the Claw is countered you get zero tokens, this new guy is a cast trigger, so even if the 3/3 is countered you will still get your scions.
This card's better than Caller of the Claw. This new card has better stats and generates you X Mana for <>, seems good to me. Dunno what you're talking about.
you have to pay one colorless mana to get tokens which is a major liability/drawback
Terrible card. Can't even use the flash as a combat trick because you lose the tokens. It's one good use to regenerate eldrazi scions is carved out. There's no reason for this to be a rare instead of uncommon. If I opened this I'll take the land.
I think you guys are looking at the card the wrong way, as a 3 mana 3/3 flash, it has the right stats to be relevant when you cast it for 3, then if you cast it for 2GC, it brings a bunch of tokens that ramp you into bigger things, that's not a bad card, you are just making a very bar comparison. That being said, this card isn't gonna break standard (if it didn't say non-token it would be way better), but you definitely can't put this as uncommon in limited, the blowout potential is huge.
Nerfed how? 3/3 instead of 2/2, sure it requires a cost, but it's a cast activation. It puts you farther up your curve. It's not "nerfed" it's just different, it's also an enabler for cards that care about creatures dying/saccing, and I'll take whatever it ramps me into over vanilla bears any day.
Terrible card. Can't even use the flash as a combat trick because you lose the tokens. It's one good use to regenerate eldrazi scions is carved out. There's no reason for this to be a rare instead of uncommon. If I opened this I'll take the land.
Yes a 3 mana 3/3 with flash and all upside on it cast trigger is terrible and unplayable in limited
I think you guys are looking at the card the wrong way, as a 3 mana 3/3 flash, it has the right stats to be relevant when you cast it for 3, then if you cast it for 2GC, it brings a bunch of tokens that ramp you into bigger things, that's not a bad card, you are just making a very bar comparison. That being said, this card isn't gonna break standard (if it didn't say non-token it would be way better), but you definitely can't put this as uncommon in limited, the blowout potential is huge.
What blowout potential of trading my eyeless watcher and snapping gnarled for a couple of 1/1? As we already know the ramp in bfz was nearly meaningless I don't see the problem. Should be uncommon or lose the nontoken restrictions. It's either a 3/3 with flash (uncommon level).or gets a little value off chump blocks from real cards. Neither seems rare or very good regardless.
If they would have made it "If you paid C do this" instead of paying in addition the ability would have been much better. A 3/3 Flash for 3 ain't bad still. Doubt it will see any constucted play if Bounding Krasis and Wolfir Avenger didn't.
Terrible card. Can't even use the flash as a combat trick because you lose the tokens. It's one good use to regenerate eldrazi scions is carved out. There's no reason for this to be a rare instead of uncommon. If I opened this I'll take the land.
Yes a 3 mana 3/3 with flash and all upside on it cast trigger is terrible and unplayable in limited
yeah the 3/3 with flash is really going to blow out all the x/4 2-drops in the format. There is no upside to the cast trigger it is either flash combat trick or the cast trigger, not both. 1 in a million games both effects may be relevant.
After being blown out of his board by a rolling thunder, sluggs, with a mischievous smirk on his face, casts Vile Redeemer, giving him an army of 3 1/1s end of turn. Opponent ragequit.
This isn't going to be in the BfZ draft format, its going to be 2 OGW packs and 1 BfZ pack draft format. Its going to be different.
quite true but in the 8 packs of bfz alone are a substantial number of cards that either blank this or turn it into a vanilla 3/3 (vile agg, vestige, makindi slide runner???, snapping gnarled????? etc etc). Not rare level power Imo. Not even counting the cards that will beat it in ogw, probably at common.
Posted tonight, didn't see it anywhere here, if I'm wrong, delete it:
Name should be Vile Redeemer but I'm not sure it's the official name, text is as follow:
*something* Redeemer (?) 2G
Creature - Eldrazi (R)
Devoid
Flash
When you cast *something* Redeemer you may pay C. If you do, put a 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature token onto the battlefield for each nontoken creature died under your control this turn. They have "Sacrifice this creature: Add C to your mana pool".
3/3
Source:
http://www.orgoglionerd.it/blogs/unseen-university/2015/12/redentore-maligno-in-esclusiva-dalla-nuova-espansione-di-magic-the-gathering
Edited to respect collector's number. Name could be Vile Reedemer.
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nice to see that this has CMC = power and toughness! looks like a fun limited rarea!
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Well probably, but as it has been pointed out it can't be Malignant or Evil since it's #125 and it's after Scion. It's probably something like Vile Redeemer.
Updating anyway
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Getting nerfed versions of previous cards.It might not be bad but why the existance of the 1 colorless requirement to activate the ability?
Well, you also have to look at each within their standard format not just a vacuum. Coloress and eldrazi subtype can matter in this format, plus these aren't just vanilla 1/1's, they are mana. Not to mention Bx Eldrazi has become a decent modern deck, now I dont know if this can make the cut, but disregarding it for the reasons that you said isnt necessarily a fair assessment. Another thing is if Caller of the Claw is countered you get zero tokens, this new guy is a cast trigger, so even if the 3/3 is countered you will still get your scions.
Like that it has flash
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you have to pay one colorless mana to get tokens which is a major liability/drawback
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You're comparing cards that don't even exist in the same format. This card is going to exist with Zulaport Cutthroat and Nantuko Husk
I'm not saying it will see play in the sacrifice style decks but it should definitely be considered.
Yes a 3 mana 3/3 with flash and all upside on it cast trigger is terrible and unplayable in limited
It is literally Caller but it puts Scions instead of bears and it does so upon cast and not etb
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What blowout potential of trading my eyeless watcher and snapping gnarled for a couple of 1/1? As we already know the ramp in bfz was nearly meaningless I don't see the problem. Should be uncommon or lose the nontoken restrictions. It's either a 3/3 with flash (uncommon level).or gets a little value off chump blocks from real cards. Neither seems rare or very good regardless.
After being blown out of his board by a rolling thunder, sluggs, with a mischievous smirk on his face, casts Vile Redeemer, giving him an army of 3 1/1s end of turn. Opponent ragequit.
If this is your p1p1 you should probably drop.
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