Yeah, that's probably going to vary a lot from group to group. I don't see most of those at my tables other than Wheel of Fortune and Demonic Tutor (of course Cyclonic Rift, but I don't think you can use its relevant mode here)? One thing I picked up pretty quickly when I started playing EDH was that, in my meta at least, it doesn't pay to spend cards making efficient tempo plays early in the game while other people are setting up board states that allow them to manipulate the game in big ways every time they untap.
That said, it is inaccurate to say the 3-cmc clause locks the card out, obviously it doesn't absolutely do that, but it is a pretty significantly limiter in a format where Lightning Bolt is way less relevant than Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle.
It's too bad this whiffs on Radiant Flames though... looks like Kozilek's Return is now even more likely to take its place.
Seismic Rupture is also a possibility, though the inability to hit Thopter tokens is quite a big deal. Hopefully we'll get a better lowend sweeper akin to Anger of the Godsor Pyroclasm, mostly thinking in terms of their mana to damage ratio. I know it is fairly unlikely, considering we already have Flames and getting Return, it's just that it annoys me the 2nd ability of Return is dead in everything outside Eldrazi Ramp.
It's too bad this whiffs on Radiant Flames though... looks like Kozilek's Return is now even more likely to take its place.
There are pros and cons for both. Radiant Flames' damage can be modulated to deal 1-3 damage, which can mean protecting your creatures by dealing less or killing some stuff Kozilek's Return can't deal with. Dispel is also a legal in standard and some decks play a few copies.
That said, when the fetchlands rotate out and we are back to a standard format dominated by 2 color decks, Converge will lose a lot of power.
It's too bad this whiffs on Radiant Flames though... looks like Kozilek's Return is now even more likely to take its place.
There are pros and cons for both. Radiant Flames' damage can be modulated to deal 1-3 damage, which can mean protecting your creatures by dealing less or killing some stuff Kozilek's Return can't deal with. Dispel is also a legal in standard and some decks play a few copies.
That said, when the fetchlands rotate out and we are back to a standard format dominated by 2 color decks, Converge will lose a lot of power.
Radiant Flames deals no damage if you free cast it since no mana would be spent on it, which is what he was talking about. This doesn't have flash so counter spells are unusable.
Kozilek's Return is the only cheap sweeper in standard, but that's only really good against allies.
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It's too bad this whiffs on Radiant Flames though... looks like Kozilek's Return is now even more likely to take its place.
There are pros and cons for both. Radiant Flames' damage can be modulated to deal 1-3 damage, which can mean protecting your creatures by dealing less or killing some stuff Kozilek's Return can't deal with. Dispel is also a legal in standard and some decks play a few copies.
That said, when the fetchlands rotate out and we are back to a standard format dominated by 2 color decks, Converge will lose a lot of power.
Radiant Flames deals no damage if you free cast it since no mana would be spent on it, which is what he was talking about. This doesn't have flash so counter spells are unusable.
Kozilek's Return is the only cheap sweeper in standard, but that's only really good against allies.
You seem to be misunderstanding what they said. SpinifexV was pointing to Dispel as a con to running Kozilek's Return, not as something that Goblin Darkdwellers could recast.
This won't replace Snapcaster, but it also isn't blue. It's nice to compare them, but this card doesn't suck for being different from SM. They're just different shades of the same idea.
So guys some perspective: imagine you play Snapcaster Mage to flashback Kolaghan's Command. You spend a total of 2RUB. Then imagine you flashback K-Command with this. You pay 3RR total. This card essentially has 3 modes:
2RR 4/4 Menace, give a CMC1 spell Flashback
1RR 4/4 Menace, give a CMC2 spell Flashback
RR 4/4 Menace, give a CMC3 spell Flashback
You give up Snappy's instant speed, but get a much better body (evasive!), get to do shenanigans with split cards and get to ignore colors completly, letting you flashback a Thoughtseize with only red mana available. This card is insanely good and will see widespread Modern play after some time. It's essentially a Midrange Snapcaster Mage, and once you realize Snapcaster NEVER actually costs 1U unless it's a body only, you start to realize how great this card is.
I'm not sure how you can believe this card compares to snapcaster in power level. The advantages of this card has over snapcaster are so insignificant compared to what you are giving up. Are you planning on playing thoughtseize without black mana in your deck? not having to pay multiple colors is nice but not terribly significant. Losing flash and versitility of converted mana cost is much more of a detriment to anything this guy brings. Also, you can play snapcaster for his casting cost turn two to flashback phyrexian mana spells like gitaxian probe.
Overall I like this card, but dont consider him comparable to snapcaster.
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On-topic, this card is an example of a bad version of a card still being an objectively good card. This will show up in Standard at least.
I see alot of the same jazz. That's some serious limited vocab IMO...
I'm not impressed.
Back to point, I don't think this is a 4-of at all. It's way too expensive. But having said that, it's bound to make an immediate impact when it's out. And while it's out, we've some serious good spells (thanks alot to KtK block) at 3cmc or under. It'll never be as good a Tiago. Maybe a 1-of at most in some modern decks. More can be boarded in when things get grindy. Like some Jund vs Abzan mirror.
Can we please start a rule to enforce what format we are talking about when we post in communal magic forums.
It is pretty pointless to assess a card, when half the post do not specify.
Personally, I really like the card, should be a bomb in limited, has a high potential for standard play and has interesting potential for Jund and Grixis in modern. However for any of the older formats, the 5cmc is way to prohibited.
The card is a straight 2 for 1 in the decks that want it and with the potency of Kolaghan's Command it is potentially a 3 for 1 or more.
Can we please start a rule to enforce what format we are talking about when we post in communal magic forums.
It is pretty pointless to assess a card, when half the post do not specify.
Personally, I really like the card, should be a bomb in limited, has a high potential for standard play and has interesting potential for Jund and Grixis in modern. However for any of the older formats, the 5cmc is way to prohibited.
The card is a straight 2 for 1 in the decks that want it and with the potency of Kolaghan's Command it is potentially a 3 for 1 or more.
I don't know anything about Legacy and don't have much experience with the decks that would want this in Modern, but I'm keeping an eye on this card in Standard. I don't think there's a deck for it yet, but I'm willing to bet there will be after rotation.
I don't know anything about Legacy and don't have much experience with the decks that would want this in Modern, but I'm keeping an eye on this card in Standard. I don't think there's a deck for it yet, but I'm willing to bet there will be after rotation.
I'm pretty sure Jeskai variants won't mind having access of up to 8 Snapcaster effects, even if 4 of which can only get back Crackling Doom, Kolhagan's Command, and Fiery Impulse.
Yeah, that's probably going to vary a lot from group to group. I don't see most of those at my tables other than Wheel of Fortune and Demonic Tutor (of course Cyclonic Rift, but I don't think you can use its relevant mode here)? One thing I picked up pretty quickly when I started playing EDH was that, in my meta at least, it doesn't pay to spend cards making efficient tempo plays early in the game while other people are setting up board states that allow them to manipulate the game in big ways every time they untap.
That said, it is inaccurate to say the 3-cmc clause locks the card out, obviously it doesn't absolutely do that, but it is a pretty significantly limiter in a format where Lightning Bolt is way less relevant than Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle.
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There are pros and cons for both. Radiant Flames' damage can be modulated to deal 1-3 damage, which can mean protecting your creatures by dealing less or killing some stuff Kozilek's Return can't deal with. Dispel is also a legal in standard and some decks play a few copies.
That said, when the fetchlands rotate out and we are back to a standard format dominated by 2 color decks, Converge will lose a lot of power.
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Radiant Flames deals no damage if you free cast it since no mana would be spent on it, which is what he was talking about. This doesn't have flash so counter spells are unusable.
Kozilek's Return is the only cheap sweeper in standard, but that's only really good against allies.
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You seem to be misunderstanding what they said. SpinifexV was pointing to Dispel as a con to running Kozilek's Return, not as something that Goblin Darkdwellers could recast.
Holy BALLS, dude. You have a problem!
Anyone else seen this guy's comment history?
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I guess he does live up to his name. Cranking out rancor after rancor.
I'm not sure how you can believe this card compares to snapcaster in power level. The advantages of this card has over snapcaster are so insignificant compared to what you are giving up. Are you planning on playing thoughtseize without black mana in your deck? not having to pay multiple colors is nice but not terribly significant. Losing flash and versitility of converted mana cost is much more of a detriment to anything this guy brings. Also, you can play snapcaster for his casting cost turn two to flashback phyrexian mana spells like gitaxian probe.
Overall I like this card, but dont consider him comparable to snapcaster.
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On-topic, this card is an example of a bad version of a card still being an objectively good card. This will show up in Standard at least.
I'm not impressed.
Back to point, I don't think this is a 4-of at all. It's way too expensive. But having said that, it's bound to make an immediate impact when it's out. And while it's out, we've some serious good spells (thanks alot to KtK block) at 3cmc or under. It'll never be as good a Tiago. Maybe a 1-of at most in some modern decks. More can be boarded in when things get grindy. Like some Jund vs Abzan mirror.
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It is pretty pointless to assess a card, when half the post do not specify.
Personally, I really like the card, should be a bomb in limited, has a high potential for standard play and has interesting potential for Jund and Grixis in modern. However for any of the older formats, the 5cmc is way to prohibited.
The card is a straight 2 for 1 in the decks that want it and with the potency of Kolaghan's Command it is potentially a 3 for 1 or more.
So his posts are the bomb in limited doses but don't play well when constructed together?
Or something. There's a better pun there I'm missing. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this is a deliberate parody of some of the posts we see around here.
I don't know anything about Legacy and don't have much experience with the decks that would want this in Modern, but I'm keeping an eye on this card in Standard. I don't think there's a deck for it yet, but I'm willing to bet there will be after rotation.
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I'm pretty sure Jeskai variants won't mind having access of up to 8 Snapcaster effects, even if 4 of which can only get back Crackling Doom, Kolhagan's Command, and Fiery Impulse.
I wish it were 4/5 :/ Blocking Rhino and Tasigur woukd be amazing.
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