Things that are plane specific like Nykthos and Gavony Township definitely won't be showing up. They need to be generic enough that they can be on Zendikar.
If the last five are not Enemy Man-lands, then here is my guess on the last 10; taking into account lands that could actually be depicted on Zendikar (I pointed out No on Academy Ruins and then suggested Rishadan Port (silly me):
36: Ancient Tomb
37: Deserted Temple
38: Eldrazi Temple
39: Forbidden Orchard
40: Gemstone Caverns
41: Mana Confluence
42: Petrified Field
43: Strip Mine
44: Wasteland
45: Winding Canyons
I honestly don't think we'll getting the Enemy DualChecks in Oath, simply because I don't see two UR, BG and RW-producing lands at rare in the same small set - it's pretty much obvious that manlands in those colors will be in Oath.
Also, Ancient Tomb is 36/45 in the Expeditions, while Forbidden Orchard is 39/45. While it does leave the possibility of space for Enemy-Colored DualChecks at 41-45, I think Wizards will order full cycles in the numbering before miscellaneous lands like Tomb and Orchard. Mystic Gate is apparently 26/45, which fits that theory.
1 to 5: Battle for Zendikar Allied Dualchecks
6 to 15: Shocklands
16 to 25: Fetchlands
26 to 35: Filterlands
36 to 45: Miscellaneous Lands
Also, Ancient Tomb being 36/45 means there's no space for Academy Ruins.
So..
36: Ancient Tomb
37: Cavern of Souls
38: Dust Bowl (or Eye of Ugin)
39: Forbidden Orchard
40: ???
41: ???
42: Mana Confluence
43: Strip Mine
44: Reflecting Pool
45: Wasteland
Dark Depths, Karakas, Pendelhaven and Rishadan Port all represent other planes in the multiverse rather than being flavour neutral enough to be on Zendikar so those are out. This is what you have to look for when making lists of what you want/expect. Otherwise the others on that list could all work and would be nice to see
totally agree but part of me would like to see Dark Depths so Marit lage could get eratted to be an eldrazi. I've felt like she should have been one. It would explain the 20/20 thing.
I would assume that for these places to fit on the list they will need to be
A) Have names that can be used on Zendikar, meaning places with very specific plane names like tolaria west or rishadan port plainly don't work.
B) They have to be desirable cards as they're trying to increase sales through expeditions, meaning cards played in vintage, legacy, modern, edh. That rids us of cards like exotic orchard and petrified fields.
C) The have to fit in with zendikar itself. This means we can't see a land like glimmervoid as the storyline just doesnt fit around artifacts.
D) We can't have lands from the reserved list; sorry City of traitors and Underground Sea but you're out
My guess would be something like
36 Ancient Tomb
37 Cavern of Souls
38 Eye of Ugin
39 Forbidden Orchard
40 Gemstone Mine
41 Grove of the Burnwillows
42 Horizon Canopy
43 Strip Mine
44 Temple of the False God
45 Wasteland
If the last five are not Enemy Man-lands, then here is my guess on the last 10; taking into account lands that could actually be depicted on Zendikar (I pointed out No on Academy Ruins and then suggested Rishadan Port (silly me):
36: Ancient Tomb
37: Deserted Temple
38: Eldrazi Temple
39: Forbidden Orchard
40: Gemstone Caverns
41: Mana Confluence
42: Petrified Field
43: Strip Mine
44: Wasteland
45: Winding Canyons
Cavern of Souls, Gemstone Mine, Grove of the Burnwillows, and Horizon Canopy don't feel like Zendikar or any place on Zendikar. That's why I didn't put Glacial Chasm or Thawing Glaciers on my list.
Also, the lands have to be rare, at least, which is why Temple of the False God doesn't really work. Petrified Field is a good card. It should be run in more EDH decks, it's rare, and it fit a space in my list. -- no one Really likes Temple Garden, but I got 2 of them in my BFZ packs.
If it wasn't on the reserved list I'd have thought City of Traitors would be a great expedition reprint. It's flavor fits in perfectly with cards like Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim.
I think someone touched on it earlier, but they certainly could print the 5 enemy BFZ style lands to complete the cycle, but not print them in Oath. They'll be eternal playable (not that most people would play them over actual duals) right away, but not standard playable until they show up. Which might be in Shadows. Once Shadows comes in, the fetches should rotate out, making it a lot more palatable for the environment to have all 10 in standard.
Cavern of Souls, Gemstone Mine, Grove of the Burnwillows, and Horizon Canopy don't feel like Zendikar or any place on Zendikar. That's why I didn't put Glacial Chasm or Thawing Glaciers on my list.
Also, the lands have to be rare, at least, which is why Temple of the False God doesn't really work. Petrified Field is a good card. It should be run in more EDH decks, it's rare, and it fit a space in my list. -- no one Really likes Temple Garden, but I got 2 of them in my BFZ packs.
Well, since the first card they spoiled is an uncommon, obviously the rarity assumption is wrong.
Gemstone mine is a pretty generic name, and plane can have a mine where they mine gemstones. Horizon canopy is just like, a lot of trees that block out the sun, once again, pretty much any world can have that.
I agree Grove of the Burnwillows might be a bit off though, but there really isnt a whole lot of lands that can fin, and once again wizards is doing this to better sell their set. A card that "should be used" isn't going to sell packs. No one wants a petrified field.
I could possibly see them, in another 5 slots, them printing the last 5 in the tango/battle/slow lands and leaving them to be printed in a later set. It's an interesting idea.
I think they will only put lands that can produce colorless mana into this set of expeditions...so this rules some of the suggestions out but fits with most of them.
Would really love to see Wasteland and Rishadan Port, 2 cards that could really use a reprint. But Port I think is getting a judge foil or something very soon, so I'm not sure about Port, and I'm not sure Wizards has the cahonays to put Wasteland in.
EDIT: Port isn't in Zendikar so it wouldn't happen anyway, had a little brain fart there. Shame, too, because Port could use a reprint.
they can replace eye of ugin and temple of the false god.
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pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
It wasn't them officially announcing what it means?
Ancient Tomb is a reprint, with this version adding <><> to your mana pool; adding 2 or <><> to your mana pool must be the same thing, then. I really cannot see <> meaning anything but "1 colorless mana"; meaning that when produced, <> can be spent for 1 or <>, while <> can only be paid with colorless mana.
EDIT: I think I perhaps misunderstood - have they officially announced what it means? I'm sorry I think I totally missed that in that case. (Not that I paid too much attention however...)
EDIT: I found the relevant thread. Sorry for being behind!
Command Tower is a Commander-only card, makes no sense to have it in boosters.
If there's a expedition Cavern of Souls... My God
Ancient tomb, on the other hand, is busted.
36: Ancient Tomb
37: Deserted Temple
38: Eldrazi Temple
39: Forbidden Orchard
40: Gemstone Caverns
41: Mana Confluence
42: Petrified Field
43: Strip Mine
44: Wasteland
45: Winding Canyons
A) Have names that can be used on Zendikar, meaning places with very specific plane names like tolaria west or rishadan port plainly don't work.
B) They have to be desirable cards as they're trying to increase sales through expeditions, meaning cards played in vintage, legacy, modern, edh. That rids us of cards like exotic orchard and petrified fields.
C) The have to fit in with zendikar itself. This means we can't see a land like glimmervoid as the storyline just doesnt fit around artifacts.
D) We can't have lands from the reserved list; sorry City of traitors and Underground Sea but you're out
My guess would be something like
36 Ancient Tomb
37 Cavern of Souls
38 Eye of Ugin
39 Forbidden Orchard
40 Gemstone Mine
41 Grove of the Burnwillows
42 Horizon Canopy
43 Strip Mine
44 Temple of the False God
45 Wasteland
(though I doubt thats completely right)
Winding Canyons is on the Reserve List.
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Also, the lands have to be rare, at least, which is why Temple of the False God doesn't really work. Petrified Field is a good card. It should be run in more EDH decks, it's rare, and it fit a space in my list. -- no one Really likes Temple Garden, but I got 2 of them in my BFZ packs.
Well, since the first card they spoiled is an uncommon, obviously the rarity assumption is wrong.
Gemstone mine is a pretty generic name, and plane can have a mine where they mine gemstones. Horizon canopy is just like, a lot of trees that block out the sun, once again, pretty much any world can have that.
I agree Grove of the Burnwillows might be a bit off though, but there really isnt a whole lot of lands that can fin, and once again wizards is doing this to better sell their set. A card that "should be used" isn't going to sell packs. No one wants a petrified field.
I could possibly see them, in another 5 slots, them printing the last 5 in the tango/battle/slow lands and leaving them to be printed in a later set. It's an interesting idea.
EDIT: Port isn't in Zendikar so it wouldn't happen anyway, had a little brain fart there. Shame, too, because Port could use a reprint.
...Library of Alexandria? (No)
So does this mean 10 Shadowmoor filters + random goodies for the remaining five?
UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU's prison: blue is the new orange is the new black.
Mizzix Of The Izmagnus : wheels on fire... rolling down the road...
BSidisi, Undead VizierB: Bis zum Erbrechen
GTitiania, Protector Of ArgothG: Protecting Argoth, by blowing it up!
GYisan, The Wanderer BardG: Gradus Ad Elfball.
Duel EDH: Yisan & Titania.
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27 Sunken Ruins
28 Graven Cairns
29 Fire-Lit Thicket
30 Wooded Bastion
31 Fetid Heath
32 Cascade Bluffs
33 Twilight Mire
34 Rugged Prairie
35 Flooded Grove
36 Ancient Tomb
37 Cavern of Souls
38 Eye of Ugin
39 Forbidden Orchard
40 Gemstone Mine
41 Grove of the Burnwillows
42 Horizon Canopy
43 Strip Mine
44 Temple of the False God
45 Wasteland
they can replace eye of ugin and temple of the false god.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
News flash: None of those locations are on Zendikar, guys.
Ancient Tomb is a reprint, with this version adding <><> to your mana pool; adding 2 or <><> to your mana pool must be the same thing, then. I really cannot see <> meaning anything but "1 colorless mana"; meaning that when produced, <> can be spent for 1 or <>, while <> can only be paid with colorless mana.
EDIT: I think I perhaps misunderstood - have they officially announced what it means? I'm sorry I think I totally missed that in that case. (Not that I paid too much attention however...)
EDIT: I found the relevant thread. Sorry for being behind!
However, it's alphabetically before Ancient Tomb, so I wouldn't bet on its inclusion.