I only hope that past lands that make colorless mana make this new "colorless mana" because I REALLY want to use that mirror land and Kozilek in Daretti.
Okay, maybe the full art version of Barry's land could not have a reminder text for the Barry's mana color but Kozilek should have a rimnder text? (See Phyrexian mana symbols.)
I don't think it's the 6th color. Rather, I think they're colorless, typeless basic lands and the symbol in Kozilek's mana cost means that you need spicifically colorless mana to pay for those symbols.
I like this explanation the best. It avoids all the worst trappings of adding a "6th color".
Also, it would be cool the fact that Kozilek's Channeler produces 2 colorless mana, what is exactly what Kozilek requires assuming this <> mana symbol means "must be payed with colorless"
Wouldn't any cards with that mana symbol in its cost have reminder text like the phyrexian mana cards do, such as Mental Misstep?
This is the major sticking point that has me leaning fake. There are a few minor things that scream MSE like expansion symbol placement and the lack of creative kerning in the set code and collector number, but that's the big one.
The fakers have finally learned their lesson about the collector number font, that's correct now. Guess we need another smoking gun...
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I never imagined Kozi was still in Zendikar.Yeah Gideon and folks are screwed if they are having trouble with Ulamog and its brood alone.
Kozilek also seems more threatning since hes not straightforward as Ulamog.
I thought the foreshadowing on Kozilek's Channeler and their hesitancy towards disappointing the fans would have pretty much pre-confirmed we'd see the other two titans within the block.
The <> cards don't need reminder text if <> is simply a 6th \color\"less" basic land. We don't need reminder text for cards that require us to tap a mountain for red mana do we?
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No one is going to point out that the Wastes art is definitely not by Raymond Swanland? The man has a style and its not exactly restrained or austere.
For me the fact that Kozilek's Sentinel and Skitterskin (which is of Kozilek's lineage) have the same bismuth key element in the artwork kind of trumps interpretation of how Swanland may or may not have interpreted/illustrated a very alien landscape. Heck, even Omnath, Locus of Rage has the rather mysterious bismuth transformation going on in the land in the foreground, which seemed terribly out of place and odd before.
Seems odd to me the collector numbers. Mirrorpool is 174/184 and Wastes is 184/184. That leaves 9 slots between them. Usually those are taken by an equal number of each basic land. With 9 slots, we either have 1 of each basic and 4 more nonbasics/Wastes art or no basics and many more nonbasics/Wastes.
So Barry's Land seems to have made it with the no-subtype idea being the ticket, that cleans up a lot of domain/etc interactions
This isn't Barry's Land. Barry's Land added an extra land-type. That was the whole point of Barry's Land. There are too many reasons why Barry's Land will never happen.
That said, we've known this land was coming since PAX Australia a year (or was it two?) ago. I thought it was going to be in BFZ, but glad to see it will be printed and make colorless EDH players rejoice.
Wouldn't any cards with that mana symbol in its cost have reminder text like the phyrexian mana cards do, such as Mental Misstep?
This is the major sticking point that has me leaning fake. There are a few minor things that scream MSE like expansion symbol placement and the lack of creative kerning in the set code and collector number, but that's the big one.
The fakers have finally learned their lesson about the collector number font, that's correct now. Guess we need another smoking gun...
The Rumor Mill staff needs to be fired. You guys have locked so many threads because there were jpg artifacts or little black dots in the picture, and you claimed they were fake when they were actually real. I think these are real. You can't just go on picture quality.
I think the "Smoking gun" is that the "real" card Mirrorpool's "photograph" is taken of it on a computer screen. Look at it again. Someone took a photograph of a digital image. That makes it no more real to me than either of the other two. Also that art on Wastes really doesn't seem like Swanland.
If you look at where lands fall in a set, it's entirely possible that all of the explicitly colorless lands where put at the end of the list, rather than in their proper position in any other sorting method.
Seems odd to me the collector numbers. Mirrorpool is 174/184 and Wastes is 184/184. That leaves 9 slots between them. Usually those are taken by an equal number of each basic land. With 9 slots, we either have 1 of each basic and 4 more nonbasics/Wastes art or no basics and many more nonbasics/Wastes.
There are no basics in Oath. (or rather, there are only the basics from BfZ). Wastes is a common, and sorted as such, it just happens to be the last land alphabetically in the set. I would guess there are 4 or 5 pictures of it, and the rest of that space is other lands of varying rarities.
Kozilek has a set number of 4/184. Given that colorless cards are listed after colored cards, and cards are alphabetized within their own class, this means that there's at most 3 colored cards or colorless cards that are alphabetically before K. Given that K is fairly late in the alphabet, this seems sort of unlikely. It's not impossible by any means, but it certainly seems suspect.
Seems odd to me the collector numbers. Mirrorpool is 174/184 and Wastes is 184/184. That leaves 9 slots between them. Usually those are taken by an equal number of each basic land. With 9 slots, we either have 1 of each basic and 4 more nonbasics/Wastes art or no basics and many more nonbasics/Wastes.
It was confirmed that OGW has BFZ basics in the land slot, so they wouldn't actually take up spots in the number crunch. There might be multiple versions of Wastes to help make sure it shows up often in the commons slots though, provided these are real (and if they aren't, they're rather convincing fakes and genuinely good card design anyway - part of that's dependent on what the Diamond symbol represents, but Kozilek and Mirrorpool are good designs otherwise).
If the Diamond symbol representing explicitly-colorless mana is true, there might not be any reminder text because it's going to be an evergreen thing from here on out, at least in that "T: Add 1 to your mana pool" will become "T: Add <> to your mana pool" on all future colorless lands. It'd be like how Menace doesn't have reminder text on Kozilek...although it would beg the question of why they're introducing an evergreen mechanic in a small set.
Kozilek has a set number of 4/184. Given that colorless cards are listed after colored cards, and cards are alphabetized within their own class, this means that there's at most 3 colored cards or colorless cards that are alphabetically before K. Given that K is fairly late in the alphabet, this seems sort of unlikely. It's not impossible by any means, but it certainly seems suspect.
Artifacts are listed after colored cards, "true" colorless cards like non-Devoid Eldrazi and Ugin are listed first. Rise of the Eldrazi established that trend.
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It would be kinda a flavor fail that land that the Eldrazi have drained can be tapped for mana, but I guess it needs to be that way so we can finally have a basic that taps for colorless mana.
Technically, we only know that Ulamog drains land. Kozilek might warp it, as that is his MO in general, leaving it usable, but altered. I think, if these are real, the flavour can still work. But it leaves me wondering what Emrakul might do to land. I guess just straight up destroy. (I don't mean mechanically, just in flavour.)
I still don't get what the idea would be for why wastes and mirrorpool would tap for <>, if the <> in a casting cost means "Can only be paid with colorless". What we've seen on the mana producing lands makes sense if its a variant like snow mana where you must pay eldrazi mana costs with eldrazi mana, but its still colorless, hence being a pseudo-sixth-color produced by a basic land, that works mechanically. But if <> is "only payable with colorless", then it makes no sense for lands to produce <> instead of 1, and I'm not hearing many ideas as to why. The next most logical concept being "<> can't pay for colored spells", but thats getting contrived and esoteric and weird compared to how much more elegant (and precedented) the snow-esque mana would be.
Logically, this mechanic is going to be snow 2.0, and then you have to ask yourself what implications that has, since it will necessarily be parasitic and only available in a single set
Part the Waterveil, Void Winnower, and Sire of Stagnation all have reminder text.
I like this explanation the best. It avoids all the worst trappings of adding a "6th color".
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This is the major sticking point that has me leaning fake. There are a few minor things that scream MSE like expansion symbol placement and the lack of creative kerning in the set code and collector number, but that's the big one.
The fakers have finally learned their lesson about the collector number font, that's correct now. Guess we need another smoking gun...
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Kozilek also seems more threatning since hes not straightforward as Ulamog.
I thought the foreshadowing on Kozilek's Channeler and their hesitancy towards disappointing the fans would have pretty much pre-confirmed we'd see the other two titans within the block.
Edit: Sometimes the most elegant solution is the simplest one as well.
For me the fact that Kozilek's Sentinel and Skitterskin (which is of Kozilek's lineage) have the same bismuth key element in the artwork kind of trumps interpretation of how Swanland may or may not have interpreted/illustrated a very alien landscape. Heck, even Omnath, Locus of Rage has the rather mysterious bismuth transformation going on in the land in the foreground, which seemed terribly out of place and odd before.
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This isn't Barry's Land. Barry's Land added an extra land-type. That was the whole point of Barry's Land. There are too many reasons why Barry's Land will never happen.
That said, we've known this land was coming since PAX Australia a year (or was it two?) ago. I thought it was going to be in BFZ, but glad to see it will be printed and make colorless EDH players rejoice.
The Rumor Mill staff needs to be fired. You guys have locked so many threads because there were jpg artifacts or little black dots in the picture, and you claimed they were fake when they were actually real. I think these are real. You can't just go on picture quality.
There are no basics in Oath. (or rather, there are only the basics from BfZ). Wastes is a common, and sorted as such, it just happens to be the last land alphabetically in the set. I would guess there are 4 or 5 pictures of it, and the rest of that space is other lands of varying rarities.
It was confirmed that OGW has BFZ basics in the land slot, so they wouldn't actually take up spots in the number crunch. There might be multiple versions of Wastes to help make sure it shows up often in the commons slots though, provided these are real (and if they aren't, they're rather convincing fakes and genuinely good card design anyway - part of that's dependent on what the Diamond symbol represents, but Kozilek and Mirrorpool are good designs otherwise).
If the Diamond symbol representing explicitly-colorless mana is true, there might not be any reminder text because it's going to be an evergreen thing from here on out, at least in that "T: Add 1 to your mana pool" will become "T: Add <> to your mana pool" on all future colorless lands. It'd be like how Menace doesn't have reminder text on Kozilek...although it would beg the question of why they're introducing an evergreen mechanic in a small set.
Artifacts are listed after colored cards, "true" colorless cards like non-Devoid Eldrazi and Ugin are listed first. Rise of the Eldrazi established that trend.
Logically, this mechanic is going to be snow 2.0, and then you have to ask yourself what implications that has, since it will necessarily be parasitic and only available in a single set