I love bismuth too much to form any coherent thoughts on sixth type of basic lands. Some competitive player I am. On another hand, need ALL the wastes!
Well, as much as i would like to see Emrakul in this set, i dont think we will
Kozi beeing the number 4, there is still little hope for Em !
But if Em went to Innistrad, and thats the "shadow" over it, would be cool lol
Someone quote me on this: The Waste tapping for a diamond colorless provides one of any color to cast a colorless spell. Like snow, but can be used as any color for the new colored colorless cards.
In my opinion, it functions as a sixth color indeed.
You can pay <> only with <>, but otherwise you can use it as colorless.
It does not make sense for a WASTED land to produce any color.
There is also significant difference between this and snow. Snow cards and snow lands produces NORMAL mana (by symbol), that gained the snow quality by being produced by snow permanent. No card produced directly This (the basic land and Mirrorpool) uses <> as separate symbol.
Prediction: This is a sixth color that will count towards converge.
Wonder how they let it interact with domain, as the land does not have a type per se.
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Bismuth is a fun thing for Eldrazi to create. As it happens, I learned a lot about bismuth recently (even bought the crystals as a Christmas present for my mother, a professor of chemistry) and these crystals have one important property:
They are hollow.
These are not solid rocks with weird surface. These are hollow shells of whatever used to be there.
And Kozilek was inside of Zendikar. I wonder if there's anything left from it?
Someone quote me on this: The Waste tapping for a diamond colorless provides one of any color to cast a colorless spell. Like snow, but can be used as any color for the new colored colorless cards.
In my opinion, it functions as a sixth color indeed.
You can pay <> only with <>, but otherwise you can use it as colorless.
It does not make sense for a WASTED land to produce any color.
There is also significant difference between this and snow. Snow cards and snow lands produces NORMAL mana (by symbol), that gained the snow quality by being produced by snow permanent. No card produced directly This (the basic land and Mirrorpool) uses <> as separate symbol.
Prediction: This is a sixth color that will count towards converge.
Wonder how they let it interact with domain, as the land does not have a type per se.
I guess you could look at it as a sixth color, or that colorless would now be considered a color, just not per the rules. I think <> mana is more of their way of making cards that can only be cast with colorless mana, if <> is all colorless mana, without putting "Use only colorless mana to cast this" on whatever number of cards in Oath, or beyond, that may come of this.
If this is the way of turning colorless mana into another type of mana, or even color, then I am for it. We've had colorless for so long that only changing the 1 or 2 on most mana rocks to "<>" or "<><>" won't be the biggest problem, but again only if <> mana is meant to replace colorless.
My guess about the diamond symbols is that you have to spend colorless mana to pay for them. So that Kozilek card would require 8 mana of any kind plus to cast. Though, I'm not sure what the deal would be with Mirrorpool producing a diamond mana symbol; would it count as but with the new symbol for clarification? For that matter, why would they let Kozilek get the fancy new symbol when Ulamog doesn't? I agree that these cards may be fake, but the idea of a symbol that requires colorless mana would be a great justification for the 6th Basic.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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These "Wastes" are really cool. My hypothesis is that Ulamog's brood devours the plane's landscape and turns it chalk-white, then Kozilek's lineage comes in and distorts said landscape to create the Wastes. I guess the Wastes are the end result of all the Processors.
Regarding Kozilek himself, he seems decent as a creature to ramp to in MUD and Cloudpost. (Moreso in Cloudpost, because the deck runs more 1-drops that can be pitched to Kozilek's activated ability.)
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
I think the reason <> exists is simple - 1 is colorless only when produced by land, but is technically any color (or lack of) when as used in cost. <> is colorless all the time when it appears.
Yes, Wastes could produce 1 and not actually have any effect on most gameplay (because the production is always colorless), but I think it's one of those times Wizards thinks the above explanation would be cleaner for the masses.
I honestly think <> is not "unique" mana that can only be pay for <> costs - I think Kozilek can be cast from 10 Wastes. Cost-wise, 1 will still be most flexible, accepting 1WUBRG<> - which is what I think they are trying to maintain. But the truth will only be butchered when previews really start.
The first Basic Land done by Raymond Swanland and it produces only colorless. Oh well, his first planeswalker was colorless as well.
Also, Dual Lands and Shocklands are also unable to produce 1 by themselves and since Wastes have no subtype, there's no way to create a variant without adding one.
EDIT: Modified post since I got the fetches slightly wrong and the above post did a better job.
It's like people have forgotten about the Snow supertype...
Let's review what snow mana did;
Snow mana could be of any color. You could have green snow mana (G*) that could be spent as green mana for any green spell, but if a spell or ability had * (snow) in its cost you had to spend snow mana to be able to cast/activate it, regular mana wouldn't do it.
Now <> would work the exact same way, but it would only exist on colorless mana.
To activate the first ability on Mirrorpool, you need 3 colorless mana, but 1 of it has to come from a land with the <> supertype.
I wonder if Koz needs to be cast with wastes type mana, essentially making a 6th color, or if that new symbol can be paid with any colorless mana - so long as it's purely colorless.
1, This is not Barry's land. It doesn't have a basic land type
2, It wouldn't make sense if you could pay "Eldrazi-Mana" with purely colorless. In that case you wouldn't need a land that produces "eldrazi colored" mana, only one that makes colorless and a mana-symbol in the casting cost of Kozilek with a reminder text "{E} can only be paid with truly colorless mana" or something like that.
These "Wastes" are really cool. My hypothesis is that Ulamog's brood devours the plane's landscape and turns it chalk-white, then Kozilek's lineage comes in and distorts said landscape to create the Wastes. I guess the Wastes are the end result of all the Processors)
So basically wastes are....eldrazi' shiny poo...
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Has noone pointed out the problem with this image?
It is supposed to be a picture someone took of a card, at the standard semi-awkward angle.
But it has a visible mouse cursor IN THE ART OF THE CARD.
It's a picture of a screen, hence the lines/texture of the monitor in the picture that happens when one takes a photo of a monitor; ergo the pointer over the artwork.
As an example, here's a picture of the Kozilek card displayed on my LED monitor I took with my Android.
I wager that most of them would just cost a single <>. Kozilek's cost is self explanatory of a legend.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Kozi beeing the number 4, there is still little hope for Em !
But if Em went to Innistrad, and thats the "shadow" over it, would be cool lol
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Will <> become a 6th colour identity or be colourless?
Could <> lands go into any deck and just function as a colourless basic, or does the identity mean we need cards with <> on them?
In my opinion, it functions as a sixth color indeed.
You can pay <> only with <>, but otherwise you can use it as colorless.
It does not make sense for a WASTED land to produce any color.
There is also significant difference between this and snow. Snow cards and snow lands produces NORMAL mana (by symbol), that gained the snow quality by being produced by snow permanent. No card produced directly This (the basic land and Mirrorpool) uses <> as separate symbol.
Prediction: This is a sixth color that will count towards converge.
Wonder how they let it interact with domain, as the land does not have a type per se.
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They are hollow.
These are not solid rocks with weird surface. These are hollow shells of whatever used to be there.
And Kozilek was inside of Zendikar. I wonder if there's anything left from it?
I guess you could look at it as a sixth color, or that colorless would now be considered a color, just not per the rules. I think <> mana is more of their way of making cards that can only be cast with colorless mana, if <> is all colorless mana, without putting "Use only colorless mana to cast this" on whatever number of cards in Oath, or beyond, that may come of this.
If this is the way of turning colorless mana into another type of mana, or even color, then I am for it. We've had colorless for so long that only changing the 1 or 2 on most mana rocks to "<>" or "<><>" won't be the biggest problem, but again only if <> mana is meant to replace colorless.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
These "Wastes" are really cool. My hypothesis is that Ulamog's brood devours the plane's landscape and turns it chalk-white, then Kozilek's lineage comes in and distorts said landscape to create the Wastes. I guess the Wastes are the end result of all the Processors.
Regarding Kozilek himself, he seems decent as a creature to ramp to in MUD and Cloudpost. (Moreso in Cloudpost, because the deck runs more 1-drops that can be pitched to Kozilek's activated ability.)
Yes, Wastes could produce 1 and not actually have any effect on most gameplay (because the production is always colorless), but I think it's one of those times Wizards thinks the above explanation would be cleaner for the masses.
I honestly think <> is not "unique" mana that can only be pay for <> costs - I think Kozilek can be cast from 10 Wastes. Cost-wise, 1 will still be most flexible, accepting 1WUBRG<> - which is what I think they are trying to maintain. But the truth will only be butchered when previews really start.
The first Basic Land done by Raymond Swanland and it produces only colorless. Oh well, his first planeswalker was colorless as well.
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5 new shocklands
EDIT: Modified post since I got the fetches slightly wrong and the above post did a better job.
The padding of the text box, line spacing together with the text size feels just not right.
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Let's review what snow mana did;
Snow mana could be of any color. You could have green snow mana (G*) that could be spent as green mana for any green spell, but if a spell or ability had * (snow) in its cost you had to spend snow mana to be able to cast/activate it, regular mana wouldn't do it.
Now <> would work the exact same way, but it would only exist on colorless mana.
To activate the first ability on Mirrorpool, you need 3 colorless mana, but 1 of it has to come from a land with the <> supertype.
Easy as pie.
1, This is not Barry's land. It doesn't have a basic land type
2, It wouldn't make sense if you could pay "Eldrazi-Mana" with purely colorless. In that case you wouldn't need a land that produces "eldrazi colored" mana, only one that makes colorless and a mana-symbol in the casting cost of Kozilek with a reminder text "{E} can only be paid with truly colorless mana" or something like that.
I don't see a hand on the card... Soo its proably someone that forgots to press a botton named "print Screen". It isn't printed, just it.
So basically wastes are....eldrazi' shiny poo...
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It's a picture of a screen, hence the lines/texture of the monitor in the picture that happens when one takes a photo of a monitor; ergo the pointer over the artwork.
As an example, here's a picture of the Kozilek card displayed on my LED monitor I took with my Android.
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