It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
I believe they are avoiding the perception that it might be "exile target instant [from the stack] or sorcery card from your graveyard." I remember Impact Resonance confused a lot of people last round, I guess they have to template for the lowest common denominator reader.
I really do hope thats not the future of wizards templating. I can't imagine too many people struggling with the language. I can see how it could be ambiguously interpreted, but thats applicable to so many cards in the past using the same template and nobody I've ever heard has a problem with them.
The reason for the strange templating is because of overload. If you used the obvious wording and overloaded it, it might sound like you could only use it to cast all the instants in your graveyard or all the sorceries rather than both.
Ahahahaa....just what my Riku deck wanted....:gaping:
The wording on the card sounds weird and kind of bothers me. Why doesn't it just say "exile target instant or sorcery card" instead of "exile target card that's an instant or sorcery"?
Based on the templating of immortal servitude, patriarch's bidding, pyrhhic revival, I don't understand either.
It seems like it would work perfectly fine with the more normal template, is there something we're missing?
"Each sorcery or instant card from your graveyard" is grammatically incorrect. It would be "Each sorcery and instant card in your graveyard". Since an 'and/or' would be weird for the target-only mode, they have to word it more defensively so that it makes sense in both modes.
This is amazing! Can't wait to stuff this into sooo many sweet decks
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Casual Decks WRBoros Aggro (Glorious knights of badassery) RBRakdos Bloodthirst (Undercosted waves of fat s***) URIzzet Talrand/Pyromancer (b/c I hate you) GRGruul Ramp and Stomp (SO FAT. SO FAST. RAWRRR) GBGolgari Birthing Pod (b/c you wanted a challenge. I did warn you this BS is banned though) BWOrzhov Lifegain Aggro (Removal for dayzzz) WGSelesnya Tribal Golem-splicers/token (meh. Needs more upgrades. Perhaps switching to bant?) WUAzorius Flicker (b/c I wanna annoy the f*** outta you) GUSimic Evolve Aggro (Aggro takes a journey to the weird side of the color pie) BUDimir Control (b/c I wanna peel your skin off and flay you within an inch of life before I kill you) URWJeskai Ascendency Tokens (MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA) RWBMardu Warriors (Butcher is da bomb) GU Simic Morph (slow as s*** but oh so fun) WBGAbzan Dredge-animator (PURE EVIL) GWHexproof Aggro (Deal with it. Lemme guess, you cant?)
EDH Decks UBRNekusar (Multiplayer MONSTA. 1v1 Klutz) GRB Prossh (Set up engines. WRECK FACE) GEzuri (Hey so I heard you liked Elves...) UTalrand (Counter. Cantrip. Counter. Cantrip. Repeat till opponents die-- possibly of boredom)
Tiny leaders WUDaxos (basic 3/1 fliers do basic s***. Also Daxos) RWAnax and Cymede (Heroic weenie beats)
Standard RRMONO RED AGGRO (RAWWWRRRR!!!!) WUHeroic Aggro (Easy mode beatstick)
Ahahahaa....just what my Riku deck wanted....:gaping:
The wording on the card sounds weird and kind of bothers me. Why doesn't it just say "exile target instant or sorcery card" instead of "exile target card that's an instant or sorcery"?
Based on the templating of immortal servitude, patriarch's bidding, pyrhhic revival, I don't understand either.
It seems like it would work perfectly fine with the more normal template, is there something we're missing?
"Each sorcery or instant card from your graveyard" is grammatically incorrect. It would be "Each sorcery and instant card in your graveyard". Since an 'and/or' would be weird for the target-only mode, they have to word it more defensively so that it makes sense in both modes.
Actually, I believe it's 100% grammatically correct. If they say "each sorcery and instant card", that would mean that the only cards that can be targeted are sorceries and instants, as in only cards that are considered both instants and sorceries, though obviously that isn't possible in the game. Because card is singular, it's talking about a single card, meaning the adjective of sorcery and instant is being applied to both in the wording you use, which isn't the case and not even possible.
Eye of the Storm provides one precedent; it says "Then that player copies each instant or sorcery card exiled with Eye of the Storm." As mysticleviathan correctly pointed out, using an "And" instead of "Or" results in it only applying to cards that are both instants *and* sorceries, not either, and thus wouldn't apply to anything at all. But this would actually not follow proper templating either, as wizards method for listing a card with multiple supertypes would be "Each instant sorcery card", like how moriok salvager does not say "target artifact and creature card", but rather "target artifact creature card".
It seems an odd and awkward wording, something they'd only do intentionally, so I think the "removes ambiguity" is the best explanation I've heard
Unless you've got a ton of mana already amassed, this is better than Past in Flames most of the time. Once you get to 8 it's insane. With Mizzix in play it's almost unfair. My reaction is attached.
Mizzix is the most Izzet wizard ever and his spells are going to reflect it. This is going to suck to go against but its fun. Just pop Tormod's Crypt in response.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary Melek, Izzet Paragon Oona, Queen of the Fae Bruna, Light of Alabaster Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Rhys the Redeemed Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord Sen Triplets The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
hmmm I doubt it. Maybe Im wrong, but I doubt eternal formats will care about this card, which is usually the main factor in making individual cards go nuts (True name nemesis, flusterstorm)
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The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. The true heart can tough the poison of hatred without being harmed. Since beginning-less time, darkness thrives in the void but always yields to purifying light.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Am I reading this or does this increase exponentially? So if I overload 7 instants/sorceries, it says "For Each card Exiled this way, copy it..." Does that mean I would copy each spell 7 times? Or just a more confusing way to write it down?
Ahahahaa....just what my Riku deck wanted....:gaping:
The wording on the card sounds weird and kind of bothers me. Why doesn't it just say "exile target instant or sorcery card" instead of "exile target card that's an instant or sorcery"?
Based on the templating of immortal servitude, patriarch's bidding, pyrhhic revival, I don't understand either.
It seems like it would work perfectly fine with the more normal template, is there something we're missing?
"Each sorcery or instant card from your graveyard" is grammatically incorrect. It would be "Each sorcery and instant card in your graveyard". Since an 'and/or' would be weird for the target-only mode, they have to word it more defensively so that it makes sense in both modes.
Actually, I believe it's 100% grammatically correct. If they say "each sorcery and instant card", that would mean that the only cards that can be targeted are sorceries and instants, as in only cards that are considered both instants and sorceries, though obviously that isn't possible in the game. Because card is singular, it's talking about a single card, meaning the adjective of sorcery and instant is being applied to both in the wording you use, which isn't the case and not even possible.
Eye of the Storm provides one precedent; it says "Then that player copies each instant or sorcery card exiled with Eye of the Storm." As mysticleviathan correctly pointed out, using an "And" instead of "Or" results in it only applying to cards that are both instants *and* sorceries, not either, and thus wouldn't apply to anything at all. But this would actually not follow proper templating either, as wizards method for listing a card with multiple supertypes would be "Each instant sorcery card", like how moriok salvager does not say "target artifact and creature card", but rather "target artifact creature card".
It seems an odd and awkward wording, something they'd only do intentionally, so I think the "removes ambiguity" is the best explanation I've heard
They're trying to make sure it doesn't suggest two possible modes ("each sorcery or (each) instant") to someone who doesn't have as fine of a grasp on the rules. It seems silly but it must have come up in playtesting. Maybe there was a fistfight in the pit over someone's Spoils of Evil.
I have divined your fate. You shall find your nemesis, a catastrophic clash. Devastation, misery for all, the unleashing of horrible curses and ferocious powers. Ruin, such ruin that I dream each night of blessed peace, assured that the universe is in balance once more...
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary Melek, Izzet Paragon Oona, Queen of the Fae Bruna, Light of Alabaster Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Rhys the Redeemed Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord Sen Triplets The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
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I know I do
Seems better with Control of the Court.
Quick, someone buy them all out ;).
I really do hope thats not the future of wizards templating. I can't imagine too many people struggling with the language. I can see how it could be ambiguously interpreted, but thats applicable to so many cards in the past using the same template and nobody I've ever heard has a problem with them.
WRBoros Aggro (Glorious knights of badassery)
RBRakdos Bloodthirst (Undercosted waves of fat s***)
URIzzet Talrand/Pyromancer (b/c I hate you)
GRGruul Ramp and Stomp (SO FAT. SO FAST. RAWRRR)
GBGolgari Birthing Pod (b/c you wanted a challenge. I did warn you this BS is banned though)
BWOrzhov Lifegain Aggro (Removal for dayzzz)
WGSelesnya Tribal Golem-splicers/token (meh. Needs more upgrades. Perhaps switching to bant?)
WUAzorius Flicker (b/c I wanna annoy the f*** outta you)
GUSimic Evolve Aggro (Aggro takes a journey to the weird side of the color pie)
BUDimir Control (b/c I wanna peel your skin off and flay you within an inch of life before I kill you)
URWJeskai Ascendency Tokens (MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
RWBMardu Warriors (Butcher is da bomb)
GU Simic Morph (slow as s*** but oh so fun)
WBGAbzan Dredge-animator (PURE EVIL)
GWHexproof Aggro (Deal with it. Lemme guess, you cant?)
EDH Decks
UBRNekusar (Multiplayer MONSTA. 1v1 Klutz)
GRB Prossh (Set up engines. WRECK FACE)
GEzuri (Hey so I heard you liked Elves...)
UTalrand (Counter. Cantrip. Counter. Cantrip. Repeat till opponents die-- possibly of boredom)
Tiny leaders
WUDaxos (basic 3/1 fliers do basic s***. Also Daxos)
RWAnax and Cymede (Heroic weenie beats)
Standard
RRMONO RED AGGRO (RAWWWRRRR!!!!)
WUHeroic Aggro (Easy mode beatstick)
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- UG Ezuri, Claw of Progress The Artist Formerly Known as Kraj,
- R Heartless Hidetsugu Burn it all down .
- G Kamahl, Fist of Krosa/Jolrael, Empress of Beasts Nacatl War-Pride shenanigans.
- WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Wrath.dec
Actually, I believe it's 100% grammatically correct. If they say "each sorcery and instant card", that would mean that the only cards that can be targeted are sorceries and instants, as in only cards that are considered both instants and sorceries, though obviously that isn't possible in the game. Because card is singular, it's talking about a single card, meaning the adjective of sorcery and instant is being applied to both in the wording you use, which isn't the case and not even possible.
It seems an odd and awkward wording, something they'd only do intentionally, so I think the "removes ambiguity" is the best explanation I've heard
Reanimate sucks cause it needs cards like Entomb to work.
UBDragonlord Silumgar WGKarametra, God of Harvests
BRUNekusar, the Mindrazer BGMazirek, Kraul Death Priest
URMelek, Izzet Paragon UGPrime Speaker Zegana
WUHanna, Ship's Navigator BWUSydri, Galvanic Genius
WUBRGSliver Queen RBBladewing the Risen
WBKarlov of the Ghost Council RGXenagos, God of Revels
GFreyalise, Llanowar's Fury RWAurelia, the Warleader
RIb Halfheart, Goblin Tactician BDrana, Liberator of Malakir
UAzami, Lady of Scrolls WNahiri, the Lithomancer
WBGDoran, the Siege Tower CEmrakul, the Promised End
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
,
- UG Ezuri, Claw of Progress The Artist Formerly Known as Kraj,
- R Heartless Hidetsugu Burn it all down .
- G Kamahl, Fist of Krosa/Jolrael, Empress of Beasts Nacatl War-Pride shenanigans.
- WBR Zurgo Helmsmasher Wrath.dec
Yes please!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
hmmm I doubt it. Maybe Im wrong, but I doubt eternal formats will care about this card, which is usually the main factor in making individual cards go nuts (True name nemesis, flusterstorm)
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Thank you so much mchief111 for the amazing art!
BUG is the Jund of EDH!
Modern: Jund, Grixis Delver, Bant Eldrazi, TitanShift
Commander: Brago, Yidris, Mizzix, Marath, Atheros, Daretti
The other way would be "Copy it for each card exiled in this way"
Custom Set
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu9uNBSUt92PwGhvexYlwFvsh6_SJBlEEIUV3H9_XyU/edit?usp=sharing
I feel like that it right. But my question is why have that wording in there since it would work fine without it.
Thank you so much mchief111 for the amazing art!
BUG is the Jund of EDH!
Modern: Jund, Grixis Delver, Bant Eldrazi, TitanShift
Commander: Brago, Yidris, Mizzix, Marath, Atheros, Daretti
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Custom Set
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu9uNBSUt92PwGhvexYlwFvsh6_SJBlEEIUV3H9_XyU/edit?usp=sharing
the more I think it could see Legacy play.
8 mana is a *lot*,
but the effect can be on par with Omniscience or Mind's Desire.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW