I'm kind of bored with what they have so far. I like that experience is a new thing, but the way they have been implementing it is just so dull. Especially the BW legend, I expected more out of that one. Also sadness that there is still no Izzet artifact general.
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It seams like everyone has forgotten about Mirror Gallery.
Daxos is pretty much exactly what I wanted from the B/W commander.
Mazirek and Kaseto are fantastic examples of strong alternate commanders without gimmicks, so I like them both.
Mizzix doesn't disappoint me at all. I think he is a better enabler than most other spellslinger commanders out there, and I really want to see what kind of tools they give him.
oh, and I plan on proliferating the heck out of experience counters whenever possible.
Yes, a 5 mana artifact that does absolutely nothing in a singleton format is the key to victory...
If you are cloning your commander or run a high number of legendaries with an eye for copy effects it certainly can have its uses. I think the main point was that it provides a way to use Blade of Selves with your commander. That's actually the kind of silly thing I like to see in a singleton format.
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The only "face card" commanders we know so far are RW, UR, and WB. The BG and GU legends are both the "alternate option" commanders for their respective decks, and don't necessarily reflect what their face cards will do mechanically or flavorfully.
Given what we were told about the cycle of "mechanically relevant" cards, the Scytheclaw must be for either the GU or BG decks, as none of the other face commanders are from New Phyrexia. Of those two it seems far more likely that BG would have a Phyrexian character as its primary commander.
Please tell me that UG get an experience counter commander too. Not that I like the idea but it seems wierd. And as a lord it it pretty terrible. Maybe if all snakes just got +2/+2 or put counters on them or something. Not really a mythic too me. And did the goblin need to be a 4 mana 2/2, nothing says an efficiency based ability like a 4 mana than 6 mana 2/2. I get not making him cheaper so he doesn't accidentally break vintage or something but maybe make him a 2/5 or 4/4 or something.
And myriad is the ability no one was looking for. Maybe if it was an activated ability? (so the equipment is ok)
They will, all pairs get an experience counter commander. Kaseto is the secondary one.
How much you want to bet the U/G experience commander will make snakes based on your experience and maybe get experience at end of turn if you dealt combat damage...
Oh, I read each other player may a token attacking.
Plus, Assault Suit isn't copied and the tokens are not sacrificed (they are exiled).
Why would that matter? Assault suit allows you to share your beatstick and they can't attack you. creature+assault cuirass+blade of selves basically gives your opponents extra beatsticks that can't harm you. Unblocked hydraomnivore with suit and blade deals 24 dmg to defending player+16 to each other (your) opponents and 8 to you at each opponent's combat. Zurgo would have been more fun because hes natural synergy with the suit.
Let's say you have a Hydra Omnivore equipped with Blade of Selves. Your opponent gains control of it and then it attacks another opponent. Copies are created and 1 is attacking you and the other is attacking the other player.
You then have this (you are player 1):
Player 2 controls your Hydra Omnivore attacking Player 3
A copy is created attacking player 4
A copy is created attacking Player 1 (Assault Suit doesn't stop the copy from being put into play attacking you)
Assuming no blockers:
Player 3 takes 26 (10 + 8 + 8)
Player 4 takes 26 (8 + 10 + 8)
PLayer 1 takes 26 (8 + 8 + 10)
I seem to be missing what you expect to happen, but letting your opponents swing with your Omnivore (or any creature) will still have you take the same amount of damage as your opponents.
You can't target yourself with Blade because it says opponents (Im assuming you control (aka player 1) the blade) also the token are in your (p1) control so you don't take dmg from the tokens. Only damage you take is from the suited up hydra which is not currently under your conrol.
Oh, I read each other player may a token attacking.
Plus, Assault Suit isn't copied and the tokens are not sacrificed (they are exiled).
Why would that matter? Assault suit allows you to share your beatstick and they can't attack you. creature+assault cuirass+blade of selves basically gives your opponents extra beatsticks that can't harm you. Unblocked hydraomnivore with suit and blade deals 24 dmg to defending player+16 to each other (your) opponents and 8 to you at each opponent's combat. Zurgo would have been more fun because hes natural synergy with the suit.
Let's say you have a Hydra Omnivore equipped with Blade of Selves. Your opponent gains control of it and then it attacks another opponent. Copies are created and 1 is attacking you and the other is attacking the other player.
You then have this (you are player 1):
Player 2 controls your Hydra Omnivore attacking Player 3
A copy is created attacking player 4
A copy is created attacking Player 1 (Assault Suit doesn't stop the copy from being put into play attacking you)
Assuming no blockers:
Player 3 takes 26 (10 + 8 + 8)
Player 4 takes 26 (8 + 10 + 8)
PLayer 1 takes 26 (8 + 8 + 10)
I seem to be missing what you expect to happen, but letting your opponents swing with your Omnivore (or any creature) will still have you take the same amount of damage as your opponents.
You can't target yourself with Blade because it says opponents (Im assuming you control (aka player 1) the blade) also the token are in your (p1) control so you don't take dmg from the tokens. Only damage you take is from the suited up hydra which is not currently under your conrol.
No, the equipped creature has Myriad and the "you" in the reminder text refers to the creature's controller, not to the Blade's controller. That person's opponents (which you are) will have a token attacking them. Whoever controls the creature controls the tokens it creates. You will still end up being attacked by a token so 2 tokens will be created (assuming a 4 player game). I am pretty sure my math above is still correct.
It doesn't. Unless you're using Rhys the Redeemed. The tokens are created already attacking, so their attack trigger does not go off. However, two to four more tokens to copy and stick around (the tokens copied from Rhys' ability do not exile with the others. This is true of Nacatl War-Pride as well as any creature with Myriad) is potentially relevant.
How would Blade of Selves work with clones? When they're put into play can you choose what those clones are a copy of or would they be an automatic copy of what you attacked with? Sakashima could be pretty funny if you choose what the clone gets to be.
We know both WR and WB experience counter commanders are from Theros, UG one is from Kamigawa, so maybe there will be less than five planes?
We've also got UR and GB from Ravnica. There's also the alternate commanders to consider, since we don't know what they are yet.
the GU and BG commanders we have are alternates.
I know, I meant the alternates for the other decks. The previous comment mentioned those, so I neglected to mention it.
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Not that I'm complaining, since it is a great mechanic, but it's clear from this thread it's going to be a pain.
I think the big difference is that Myriad is in a supplement product and only works in muti-player formats.
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Full Decklists next week?
Selling some cards I don't want.
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If you are cloning your commander or run a high number of legendaries with an eye for copy effects it certainly can have its uses. I think the main point was that it provides a way to use Blade of Selves with your commander. That's actually the kind of silly thing I like to see in a singleton format.
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Edit: there are still two commanders left to show for the UR deck. One could be artifact centric.
To further clarify, 'put onto the battlefield tapped and attacking' does not trigger "When ~ attacks" ability, since an attack wasn't declared.
Given what we were told about the cycle of "mechanically relevant" cards, the Scytheclaw must be for either the GU or BG decks, as none of the other face commanders are from New Phyrexia. Of those two it seems far more likely that BG would have a Phyrexian character as its primary commander.
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There is one left, unless they changed things. The Commander decks have have three potential generals, two new and one reprint.
You can't target yourself with Blade because it says opponents (Im assuming you control (aka player 1) the blade) also the token are in your (p1) control so you don't take dmg from the tokens. Only damage you take is from the suited up hydra which is not currently under your conrol.
There are probably better combos but lol anyways
No, the equipped creature has Myriad and the "you" in the reminder text refers to the creature's controller, not to the Blade's controller. That person's opponents (which you are) will have a token attacking them. Whoever controls the creature controls the tokens it creates. You will still end up being attacked by a token so 2 tokens will be created (assuming a 4 player game). I am pretty sure my math above is still correct.
Desolation Twin is a cast trigger, not an ETB. Unless I am missing something this combo doesn't work.
It doesn't. Unless you're using Rhys the Redeemed. The tokens are created already attacking, so their attack trigger does not go off. However, two to four more tokens to copy and stick around (the tokens copied from Rhys' ability do not exile with the others. This is true of Nacatl War-Pride as well as any creature with Myriad) is potentially relevant.
Wizards: "People were too confused by Suspend, with its 6 lines of reminder text and confusing interactions."
Wizards: *prints Myriad*
Not that I'm complaining, since it is a great mechanic, but it's clear from this thread it's going to be a pain.
I know, I meant the alternates for the other decks. The previous comment mentioned those, so I neglected to mention it.
I really want to see that phyrexian commander and the remaining cards from the confluence cycle.
The rest is also fine.
I think the big difference is that Myriad is in a supplement product and only works in muti-player formats.
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