BFZ was worse than mercadian masques. Tell me if they printed masques like crap for 10 years if WotC would still be around. I seriously doubt it. Everyone thinks the game is immortal but EVERYTHING dies that is man made.
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In the teaser video, I was sort of expecting the moon to turn red. Blood Moon
Since the BFZ block is ending with the "good guys" winning, it looks like Shadows over Innistrad block will end on a dark note like New Phyrexia. Garruk may not be cured of his curse, since greater emphasis has been placed on Nissa as the green planeswalker.
I think avacyn becomes corrupted and reverses the curse mute. In the teaser an angels feather turns red with blood and her symbol warps. I think it's avacyn in the background with jace and I think she is going to become a fallen angel
I know people love female characters getting corrupted, but that's not going to happen with Avacyn. Maro already said that Innistrad has this problem where everything is leaning on black and they have to move those things out of it. Because of that, I don't see them moving any angel (especially not their leader) into black.
Without Avacyn, the humans are dying off (as seen in Dark Ascension), if she joins the other side, the conflict becomes so lopsided we might as well not care. She is very likely getting weaker, the bloodied feather is showing how the angels are dying against the horrors of the plane, and her crumbling symbol showing how the Church is getting weaker or how people are losing faith.
True, but although hopefully the Wolfir will just be werewolves again, my thought is that they may be implemented into the lore as WG due to the Cursemute.
Quote: "Avacyn's message was short and simple. She could not break the curse of lycanthropy, she said. The curse mingles the human spirit with the spirit of the wild, and the wild spirit could not be destroyed without also destroying the werewolf 's humanity. So those afflicted with the curse would forever have it. However, Avacyn offered the Gatstaf werewolves a special place at her side. If they promised to serve as guardians of humanity, she would transform their curse, fusing the two warring aspects into a single noble creature, and allowing them to dwell in the light of her blessing. The lycanthropes at the Grotto that day cried for joy and accepted her offer, and she transformed them into the wolfir. In a powerful wave of spells that would become known as the cursemute, Avacyn's magic spread through the plane, transforming not just many werewolves but many of the world's foul curses. The wolfir emerged as a new race of great wolf-creatures dedicated to the principles of the Church of Avacyn."
So minor hope for WG. Maybe best case scenario is Naya werewolf legend?
The cursemute was voluntary. There are less werewolves, but they still exist. The curse still spreads, and Avacyn is weakened now that the predator prey balance is reestablished.
There are three named Werewolves on Innistrad, with personality notes. The legendary will most likely be one of these.
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Lycanthropy Awareness Day.
Hoping for a cure, or at least an outbreak.
Yeah well, Rosewater is past his prime and needs to be set out to pasture.........far far away from here. Silverheart wolfir was one of the best sleeper cards I found in the set for a blue/green deck and the rest of the wolfir weren't bad, they certainly out do most of the recent eldrazi cards that just sit around and do nothing.
You realise the people who have disappointed you is Development.. not design?
many things are playable given the right mana cost. That's development's piece of the pie.
Yeah, um, Avacyn played for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, and felt that she needed to retire. I heard she switched to hockey, and signed a deal with the New Jersey Devils. She wasn't good enough, so she got sent down to the Albany Devils.
It isn't a coincidence that the LA Angels logo and the Albany Devils logo is an A, A for Avacyn.
Yeah well, Rosewater is past his prime and needs to be set out to pasture.........far far away from here. Silverheart wolfir was one of the best sleeper cards I found in the set for a blue/green deck and the rest of the wolfir weren't bad, they certainly out do most of the recent eldrazi cards that just sit around and do nothing.
You realise the people who have disappointed you is Development.. not design?
many things are playable given the right mana cost. That's development's piece of the pie.
Too often people get these two things confused.
Still does not excuse the fact that Rosewater can say things that seem to have no thought into them.
The designers create new cards, mechanics and themes for Magic sets
Gotta say Design is not looking too innocent to me there pal. Not unless Design was envisioning crippled Eldrazi, mean it does not even feel like the planswalkers need to do anything, the residents of Zendikar probably could have sorted this out just fine.
And as far as I am concerned design and development are pretty much both at fault because either Design is not stepping in to stop some poor choices on Development's part, Development is not telling Design some of the ideas are not very good, or both have gas leaks where they are stationed.
Either way, return sets are not having a good track record so far for me. Scars of Mirridin was very good, but then RTR was luke warm for me at best and luke warm will never beat nostalgia the size of King Kong on steroids, NEVER, and BFZ is just a cold dead fish not to say it isn't a pretty fish but pretty soon it is going to start smelling bad. So yeah, Design is not seeing the pattern, and development is not helping fix that problem.
Yeah well, Rosewater is past his prime and needs to be set out to pasture.........far far away from here. Silverheart wolfir was one of the best sleeper cards I found in the set for a blue/green deck and the rest of the wolfir weren't bad, they certainly out do most of the recent eldrazi cards that just sit around and do nothing.
You realise the people who have disappointed you is Development.. not design?
many things are playable given the right mana cost. That's development's piece of the pie.
Too often people get these two things confused.
Still does not excuse the fact that Rosewater can say things that seem to have no thought into them.
The designers create new cards, mechanics and themes for Magic sets
Gotta say Design is not looking too innocent to me there pal. Not unless Design was envisioning crippled Eldrazi, mean it does not even feel like the planswalkers need to do anything, the residents of Zendikar probably could have sorted this out just fine.
And as far as I am concerned design and development are pretty much both at fault because either Design is not stepping in to stop some poor choices on Development's part, Development is not telling Design some of the ideas are not very good, or both have gas leaks where they are stationed.
Either way, return sets are not having a good track record so far for me. Scars of Mirridin was very good, but then RTR was luke warm for me at best and luke warm will never beat nostalgia the size of King Kong on steroids, NEVER, and BFZ is just a cold dead fish not to say it isn't a pretty fish but pretty soon it is going to start smelling bad. So yeah, Design is not seeing the pattern, and development is not helping fix that problem.
I see. This makes total sense. If only Wizards knew there were so many peeps like you that are better at their jobs than they are. So many perfect little MTG designers everywhere!
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“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
take into account that after SOI, exactly 50% of all MTG sets will have taken place on worlds previously visited. I believe Dominaria alone makes up around 30% of those sets, if not more. There's a breakdown earlier in the thread that I suggest you look at. It really puts things in perspective.
Yeah but that doesn't really count when Dominaria used to be the setting. You really need to just count the sets from Mirrodin forward where the block structure changed to be each on a separate plane.
I see. This makes total sense. If only Wizards knew there were so many peeps like you that are better at their jobs than they are. So many perfect little MTG designers everywhere!
Never said I would be a good MTG designer, but then again you do not need to be a 5 star chief to realize when someone is trying to sell you string cheese and calling it prime gouda.
What you guys fail to realize is that design and development know exactly what they're doing. They just aren't making the game for us as much as they are making it for others now. So much of development is shackled by draft enthusiast concerns that it's difficult to get cards printed that would be considered an I win card if opened in draft at any rarity. While strength in draft and strength in constructed aren't always overlapping concepts they do intersect enough that it's seriously interfering with the printing of competitive cards.
well back to innistrad we got, either to turn Avacyn back into Nahiri or to deal with corrupt angels, the plot is likely along these lines (it would be funny if Tamiyo is suddenly the villian).
Stop it. Nahiri is not Avacyn, this was established a long time ago. The last time Sorin saw Nahiri she was still a planeswalker, this was stated in Worldwake. Sorin was surprised that neither "the Lithomancer" (a.k.a. Nahiri) nor Ugin showed up when the lock was broken by Chandra, Jace, and Sarkhan.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Man, I really hope the story of this block isn't going to have a boring ending like Avacyn Restored. Hopefully Innistrad will once again become the cool horror-world it used to be.
Yeah well, Rosewater is past his prime and needs to be set out to pasture.........far far away from here. Silverheart wolfir was one of the best sleeper cards I found in the set for a blue/green deck and the rest of the wolfir weren't bad, they certainly out do most of the recent eldrazi cards that just sit around and do nothing.
There were only 2 wolfir (Silverheart and Avenger), and both were very good magic cards. MaRo didn't say anything about powerlevel or card design, what he called a failure is the concept of the wolfir itself. People were expecting werewolves (especially a legendary one) and suddenly they were all gone.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the Lead Developer has a filthy resume of Dragon's Maze, Avacyn Restored, Gatecrash, and most recently Dragons of Tarkir. Pretty consistent I'd say, of destroying limited formats. Be warned.
I can imagine there to be some kind of "sacrifice+trigger"-mechanic in SoI. In BFZ we have some interesting cards that could do well in such a deck, like Catacomb Sifter ,Smothering Abomination, and Bone Splinters. Also, a mechanic like that would fit very well into the flavor of Innistrad...
So thematically Eldrazi are connected to this block in that Jace is looking for Sorin, and Sorin is looking for Nahiri. Honestly I don't know why there is hesitation for Eldrazi on Innistrad, it is a better setting for them. I can even see the desire for the pairing between the two being on of the tipping points for the two block paradigm.
Now for it to work the Eldrazi have to be a subtle threat, not the all out battle we are seeing on Zendikar. Kozilek is ideal for this task. In fact something referred to as the butcher of truth seems like a slam dunk for dual faced cards. Cast side being the distortion, flip side being the truth.
What if Avacyn isn't being corrupted it's all a trick? Look outside the box. The sky is not falling, far from it.
Set symbol looks like Kozilek's crown with a halo over it...
So thematically Eldrazi are connected to this block in that Jace is looking for Sorin, and Sorin is looking for Nahiri. Honestly I don't know why there is hesitation for Eldrazi on Innistrad, it is a better setting for them. I can even see the desire for the pairing between the two being on of the tipping points for the two block paradigm.
Now for it to work the Eldrazi have to be a subtle threat, not the all out battle we are seeing on Zendikar. Kozilek is ideal for this task. In fact something referred to as the butcher of truth seems like a slam dunk for dual faced cards. Cast side being the distortion, flip side being the truth.
What if Avacyn isn't being corrupted it's all a trick? Look outside the box. The sky is not falling, far from it.
Set symbol looks like Kozilek's crown with a halo over it...
Or a reversed and distorted symbol of the Church of Avacyn, maybe? :>
I'm also scared for another return so soon. BFZ feels lazy, as if WOTC knew hype and expeditions alone would sell product. Why in the world would I want to bring my opponent's cards back from exile? Especially for mediocre effects? A little off topic, sorry. What I'm trying to get at is that I don't think it's a lack of power reprints that has people upset, it's the fact that wizards phoned it in on BFZ and people make the entirely logical connection between one return set right after a really lazy, hacked together return set.
Two more things
1. If Nahiri is Avacyn I will renounce all my worldly possessions and move to Nepal. That's how sure I am that y'all are wrong.
2. Reprinting Snapcaster Mage would most likely mean that wizards wants to sell the set based on hype and nostalgia, not new badass design.
Id just like to say I find a Snapcaster Mage reprint in standard HIGHLY unlikely. Now I wont be surprized for a LOTV reprint but then again both of those cards are basically shoeins for MM2016 so why would they print them here.
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Since the BFZ block is ending with the "good guys" winning, it looks like Shadows over Innistrad block will end on a dark note like New Phyrexia. Garruk may not be cured of his curse, since greater emphasis has been placed on Nissa as the green planeswalker.
Without Avacyn, the humans are dying off (as seen in Dark Ascension), if she joins the other side, the conflict becomes so lopsided we might as well not care. She is very likely getting weaker, the bloodied feather is showing how the angels are dying against the horrors of the plane, and her crumbling symbol showing how the Church is getting weaker or how people are losing faith.
The cursemute was voluntary. There are less werewolves, but they still exist. The curse still spreads, and Avacyn is weakened now that the predator prey balance is reestablished.
There are three named Werewolves on Innistrad, with personality notes. The legendary will most likely be one of these.
Hoping for a cure, or at least an outbreak.
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You realise the people who have disappointed you is Development.. not design?
many things are playable given the right mana cost. That's development's piece of the pie.
Too often people get these two things confused.
It isn't a coincidence that the LA Angels logo and the Albany Devils logo is an A, A for Avacyn.
Still does not excuse the fact that Rosewater can say things that seem to have no thought into them.
Gotta say Design is not looking too innocent to me there pal. Not unless Design was envisioning crippled Eldrazi, mean it does not even feel like the planswalkers need to do anything, the residents of Zendikar probably could have sorted this out just fine.
And as far as I am concerned design and development are pretty much both at fault because either Design is not stepping in to stop some poor choices on Development's part, Development is not telling Design some of the ideas are not very good, or both have gas leaks where they are stationed.
Either way, return sets are not having a good track record so far for me. Scars of Mirridin was very good, but then RTR was luke warm for me at best and luke warm will never beat nostalgia the size of King Kong on steroids, NEVER, and BFZ is just a cold dead fish not to say it isn't a pretty fish but pretty soon it is going to start smelling bad. So yeah, Design is not seeing the pattern, and development is not helping fix that problem.
I see. This makes total sense. If only Wizards knew there were so many peeps like you that are better at their jobs than they are. So many perfect little MTG designers everywhere!
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
take into account that after SOI, exactly 50% of all MTG sets will have taken place on worlds previously visited. I believe Dominaria alone makes up around 30% of those sets, if not more. There's a breakdown earlier in the thread that I suggest you look at. It really puts things in perspective.
Kresh the Bloodbraided-Jund Aggro
Karador, Ghost Chieftain-Abzan Midrange
Kangee, Aerie Keeper-Bird Tribal
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death-Warrior Tribal
Sydri, Galvanic Genius-Gepetto's Combo Workshop
Melek, Izzet Paragon-Izzet Mad Science
Omnath, Locus of Rage-Land/Elemental Tribal
Avacyn, Angel of Hope-The Church of Avacyn (Innistrad Flavor)
Brion Stoutarm
Daxos of Meletis
Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Narset, Enlightened Master
Damia, Sage of Stone
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
Titania, Protector of Argoth
Dakkon Blackblade
Roon of the Hidden Realm
Mayael the Anima
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
Tasigur, the Golden Fang
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Stop it. Nahiri is not Avacyn, this was established a long time ago. The last time Sorin saw Nahiri she was still a planeswalker, this was stated in Worldwake. Sorin was surprised that neither "the Lithomancer" (a.k.a. Nahiri) nor Ugin showed up when the lock was broken by Chandra, Jace, and Sarkhan.
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There were only 2 wolfir (Silverheart and Avenger), and both were very good magic cards. MaRo didn't say anything about powerlevel or card design, what he called a failure is the concept of the wolfir itself. People were expecting werewolves (especially a legendary one) and suddenly they were all gone.
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Set symbol looks like Kozilek's crown with a halo over it...
Or a reversed and distorted symbol of the Church of Avacyn, maybe? :>
That much is obvious. Not saying it's a dead giveaway, but the similarities between the symbol and Kozilek should be noted.
Two more things
1. If Nahiri is Avacyn I will renounce all my worldly possessions and move to Nepal. That's how sure I am that y'all are wrong.
2. Reprinting Snapcaster Mage would most likely mean that wizards wants to sell the set based on hype and nostalgia, not new badass design.
GW Rhys the Redeemed EDH
RUGAnimar, Soul of Elements EDH
WBRAlesha, Who Smiles at Death EDH