Local shop near me running a little for fun tournament the 14th using the new decks, decided to go Izzet and glad I did. I'm glad to see reprints of some cards that are good staples for EDH and tend to run you around 5 or up in dollar cost so nice to have them go lower now. Curious to see how much Command Beacon and Seal of The Guildpact will go for, seeing as WoTC once again stuck them in only one deck.
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Missed opportunity to reprint enemy fetches in an easily accessible product. They print these to demand and big retail box stores carry them as well so the speculators would have their hands full trying to get all of the decks. Then WoTC would just drop the hammer on them like they did with Mind Seize. You can still find them on LGS store shelves for MSRP and True Name is 12.50 shipped nm on tcgplayer.
Yeah no. That would not work in the slightest, because there's a huge difference between enemy fetches and a legacy-only card that's played in a couple of decks.
The UR and UG decks would be worth vastly more than the other three which would suck for retailers because they'd still have to order full sets to sell those ones, leading to hugely overstocked piles of the other three on all store shelves while the blue ones are selling for ~70 each minimum just to carry the value of the sets.
Is that any different than what happened in the past with the 2013 and 2014 releases?
Also I doubt there would be hugely overstocked piles of the remaining three since the cheapest enemy fetch is currently at $32.00
Compare to the 2014 release where it's pretty well known the blue deck was undesirable and left to rot on shelves. Toss in a $35 fetch. Watch the shelves get cleaned.
And so people would buy the last three just on value alone. Or the reprint would drop prices making modern more accessible for new players. Either way, it helps the player base.
How does it help the player base to have the product for new players get snatched up by enfranchised players? The product you are looking for is Modern Masters. Commander decks are not the product for value reprints of highly sought after cards. If you believe otherwise, it is because that is what you want to believe, not because of anything that WotC has led you to believe.
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How does it help the player base to have the product for new players get snatched up by enfranchised players? The product you are looking for is Modern Masters. Commander decks are not the product for value reprints of highly sought after cards. If you believe otherwise, it is because that is what you want to believe, not because of anything that WotC has led you to believe.
You do realize they print commander products to demand right? Look what happened to TNN after they flooded the market with Mind Seize decks. $15 tcgplayer low, and you can get Mind Seize decks for MSRP for almost the last year. Supply > Demand = Price Drops
As for Modern Masters, not sure how $12 / pack for a chance at getting a modern staple is good for new players vs $35 for a modern staple plus extra stuff (if C15 had the fetches)
You do realize they print commander products to demand right? Look what happened to TNN after they flooded the market with Mind Seize decks. $15 tcgplayer low, and you can get Mind Seize decks for MSRP for almost the last year. Supply > Demand = Price Drops
As for Modern Masters, not sure how $12 / pack for a chance at getting a modern staple is good for new players vs $35 for a modern staple plus extra stuff (if C15 had the fetches)
So the new players would have to wait a month or two before they could maybe get their hands on it, likely at higher than MSRP? All so that they could put a card in that nobody should have thought was in the product to begin with? Also of note, they actually avoid putting expensive lands in new player centric products, because new players do not get why they are good. So the inclusion of fetches in Commander decks would not be for new players anyways. Why are you so insistent that Commander needs to hold Modern staples anyways?
Modern Masters is the Modern Reprint product. If you think that the price is too high, oh well. You are asking them to put $80 cards in $35 products. This is nothing like True Name Nemesis. An expensive land that goes in basically any deck you feel like is not the same as an okay blue three drop.
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So the new players would have to wait a month or two before they could maybe get their hands on it, likely at higher than MSRP?
What's the difference between waiting a month or two and waiting for the next Modern Masters release like you keep suggesting? Higher than MSRP? Did you read my previous response?
Also of note, they actually avoid putting expensive lands in new player centric products, because new players do not get why they are good. So the inclusion of fetches in Commander decks would not be for new players anyways. Why are you so insistent that Commander needs to hold Modern staples anyways?
Sure, I can agree with the reasoning here. I'm not being insistent, just stating my opinion that it was a missed opportunity to drop the prices on fetches. Commander releases are new player centric, but not their sole target with the product.
Modern Masters is the Modern Reprint product. If you think that the price is too high, oh well. You are asking them to put $80 cards in $35 products. This is nothing like True Name Nemesis. An expensive land that goes in basically any deck you feel like is not the same as an okay blue three drop.
Price is the problem. But I'm saying it's better to have an $30-$80 card (not all enemy fetches are 80) guaranteed in a $35 product than in a product that is $12 for just a small chance at getting the card you need. TNN is an ok three drop? Right now it's in 15% of top 8 decks (mtg top 8) and during the time it was a 4 of in more decks than that.
You missed the point. I'm not comparing fetches to TNN on power level. I'm comparing it as an expensive card that has demand and in my opinion could be reprinted in a product like a duel deck or commander precon to lower the price.
Hi there, my playgroup and i may wanna start to play commander, we are skilled in magic constructed but new to the commander.
We do not want to play competitive commander, just play by ourselves in multiplayers game and have a lot of fun.
I was thinking to buy this new 2015 set because seems balanced, but it looks like that 2013 set has an higher power level overall. I dislike the idea of monocolored commander so, at the moment, i'm not considering to buy 2014 set, but you are free to let me change my mind
Which one of them do you suggest to new commander players?
Thanks a lot for any answer.
Best Regards
I have them all, but I'm trying to hold out from playing this year's until Christmas, but I've played a ton of the previous years' both against each other and homemade decks. In my opinion, the 2011 and 2014 ones are the best. With each of those, you can pretty much use any of the commanders and have a good time, and they have far fewer frustrating inclusions/exclusions.
As an old school player, a lot of the characters in the monocolor ones are a lot of fun, and they have planeswalker commanders. I feel like they are the most distinctly different from each other and the other years' decks. It was the only year where I bought two of each, one to keep as is, and one as skeletons for my own creations.
If prices were the same, and you just don't feel like monocolor, I'd say go with the 2011, but they are crazy expensive. Again, I can't comment on 2013 vs. 2015.
I was thinking to buy this new 2015 set because seems balanced, but it looks like that 2013 set has an higher power level overall. I dislike the idea of monocolored commander so, at the moment, i'm not considering to buy 2014 set, but you are free to let me change my mind
Keep in mind the manabases of the 2014 decks are solid out of the box. You may run into a few challenges with some of the 2013 decks (Nature of the Beast most of all)
I've played with or against all of the 2013 and 2014 decks. I prefer the 2014 decks because I feel the deck contents are higher quality and manabases stable. The 2013 generals are pretty sick though. The 2013 decks definitely have more chaff cards in my opinion (like the curses)
I've seen two of the 2015 decks in action (BG and UG) and they seem really fun to play stock. The lists looks solid as well.
If you plan to play them stock and against each other, I would get the 2014 set of 5 or the 2015 set of 5.
I also find it annoying when someone says something like "Why'd they reprint "blah blah blah" when they could've reprinted "blah blah" instead!?"...because how much do you want to bet that if they did reprint the cards they wish would've been reprinted, they'd still have found a reason to complain about how they should've reprinted even different cards instead. >.<'
Why don't you tell us what's more annoying instead.
-People complaining about Terastadon being reprinted a million times.
I also find it annoying when someone says something like "Why'd they reprint "blah blah blah" when they could've reprinted "blah blah" instead!?"...because how much do you want to bet that if they did reprint the cards they wish would've been reprinted, they'd still have found a reason to complain about how they should've reprinted even different cards instead. >.<'
Why don't you tell us what's more annoying instead.
-People complaining about Terastadon being reprinted a million times.
What's the difference between waiting a month or two and waiting for the next Modern Masters release like you keep suggesting? Higher than MSRP? Did you read my previous response?
Because Modern Masters is not for new players. The target audience for Modern Masters is the same group that usually preorders the things they want/ buys the singles only anyways/ spends more on Magic in general.
Sure, I can agree with the reasoning here. I'm not being insistent, just stating my opinion that it was a missed opportunity to drop the prices on fetches. Commander releases are new player centric, but not their sole target with the product.
You know what else was a "missed opportunity" to lower the price of enemy fetches with broadly available cheap printings for everyone? Tuesday.
Price is the problem. But I'm saying it's better to have an $30-$80 card (not all enemy fetches are 80) guaranteed in a $35 product than in a product that is $12 for just a small chance at getting the card you need. TNN is an ok three drop? Right now it's in 15% of top 8 decks (mtg top 8) and during the time it was a 4 of in more decks than that.
You missed the point. I'm not comparing fetches to TNN on power level. I'm comparing it as an expensive card that has demand and in my opinion could be reprinted in a product like a duel deck or commander precon to lower the price.
How is price the problem? If you want expensive cards, they tend to be expensive. The whole point of Modern Masters is to be more expensive. I'm saying it is not in any way better for a guaranteed $80 card to take up most of the value in a $35 product aimed at people who don't think rare lands are good. I mean, the blue decks would almost certainly have higher values than the last two FTVs combined. How is that not asking for a bit much. Price is not the problem. Entitlement is.
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I've refrained from buying all 5 decks for parts this year, taking the singles-only approach, but it is looking like it may be more efficient (and maybe cheaper overall) to buy one or two of them, notably the WR and UR decks.
Impatience likely feeds into this decision, as well.
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Price is the problem. But I'm saying it's better to have an $30-$80 card (not all enemy fetches are 80) guaranteed in a $35 product than in a product that is $12 for just a small chance at getting the card you need. TNN is an ok three drop? Right now it's in 15% of top 8 decks (mtg top 8) and during the time it was a 4 of in more decks than that.
You missed the point. I'm not comparing fetches to TNN on power level. I'm comparing it as an expensive card that has demand and in my opinion could be reprinted in a product like a duel deck or commander precon to lower the price.
You're thinking from the player's perspective. To the company, "guaranteed" makes less money than "random", which is why valuable-to-all/most-formats lands are unlikely to see print in preconstructed products (outside of Event Decks/Clash Packs, but being in Standard, it means the card recently had appeared in a random mode). The objective is not to lower the price as much as possible, it's to make the most money when the reprint happens. Although I have no statistics, I can say with confidence that more money will be spent opening packs to acquire a full playset of lands than it will be to buy 4x of a Commander set (20 total) - the only sales that the company cares about (the secondary market, like its name implies, is a secondary consideration).
Yes, as a player, I agree with you, it would be beneficial to all of us if the valuable lands appeared in pre-constructed products, but I'm confident over the years, wallets have already spoken to the company that "Random Pack Sets" make more money than pre-constructed decks already.
I was modifying it for tiny leaders and was like, oh, this fits absolutely perfectly, and its from the same world/block, why was it not reprinted?
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
How does it help the player base to have the product for new players get snatched up by enfranchised players? The product you are looking for is Modern Masters. Commander decks are not the product for value reprints of highly sought after cards. If you believe otherwise, it is because that is what you want to believe, not because of anything that WotC has led you to believe.
You do realize they print commander products to demand right? Look what happened to TNN after they flooded the market with Mind Seize decks. $15 tcgplayer low, and you can get Mind Seize decks for MSRP for almost the last year. Supply > Demand = Price Drops
As for Modern Masters, not sure how $12 / pack for a chance at getting a modern staple is good for new players vs $35 for a modern staple plus extra stuff (if C15 had the fetches)
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So the new players would have to wait a month or two before they could maybe get their hands on it, likely at higher than MSRP? All so that they could put a card in that nobody should have thought was in the product to begin with? Also of note, they actually avoid putting expensive lands in new player centric products, because new players do not get why they are good. So the inclusion of fetches in Commander decks would not be for new players anyways. Why are you so insistent that Commander needs to hold Modern staples anyways?
Modern Masters is the Modern Reprint product. If you think that the price is too high, oh well. You are asking them to put $80 cards in $35 products. This is nothing like True Name Nemesis. An expensive land that goes in basically any deck you feel like is not the same as an okay blue three drop.
What's the difference between waiting a month or two and waiting for the next Modern Masters release like you keep suggesting? Higher than MSRP? Did you read my previous response?
Sure, I can agree with the reasoning here. I'm not being insistent, just stating my opinion that it was a missed opportunity to drop the prices on fetches. Commander releases are new player centric, but not their sole target with the product.
Price is the problem. But I'm saying it's better to have an $30-$80 card (not all enemy fetches are 80) guaranteed in a $35 product than in a product that is $12 for just a small chance at getting the card you need. TNN is an ok three drop? Right now it's in 15% of top 8 decks (mtg top 8) and during the time it was a 4 of in more decks than that.
You missed the point. I'm not comparing fetches to TNN on power level. I'm comparing it as an expensive card that has demand and in my opinion could be reprinted in a product like a duel deck or commander precon to lower the price.
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As an old school player, a lot of the characters in the monocolor ones are a lot of fun, and they have planeswalker commanders. I feel like they are the most distinctly different from each other and the other years' decks. It was the only year where I bought two of each, one to keep as is, and one as skeletons for my own creations.
If prices were the same, and you just don't feel like monocolor, I'd say go with the 2011, but they are crazy expensive. Again, I can't comment on 2013 vs. 2015.
Keep in mind the manabases of the 2014 decks are solid out of the box. You may run into a few challenges with some of the 2013 decks (Nature of the Beast most of all)
I've played with or against all of the 2013 and 2014 decks. I prefer the 2014 decks because I feel the deck contents are higher quality and manabases stable. The 2013 generals are pretty sick though. The 2013 decks definitely have more chaff cards in my opinion (like the curses)
I've seen two of the 2015 decks in action (BG and UG) and they seem really fun to play stock. The lists looks solid as well.
If you plan to play them stock and against each other, I would get the 2014 set of 5 or the 2015 set of 5.
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-People complaining about Terastadon being reprinted a million times.
-Wizards printing Terastadon a million times.
You see the root problem here? If you don't, try replacing Terastodon with Butcher of Malakir.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
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Generally less than tcg mid.
Because Modern Masters is not for new players. The target audience for Modern Masters is the same group that usually preorders the things they want/ buys the singles only anyways/ spends more on Magic in general.
You know what else was a "missed opportunity" to lower the price of enemy fetches with broadly available cheap printings for everyone? Tuesday.
How is price the problem? If you want expensive cards, they tend to be expensive. The whole point of Modern Masters is to be more expensive. I'm saying it is not in any way better for a guaranteed $80 card to take up most of the value in a $35 product aimed at people who don't think rare lands are good. I mean, the blue decks would almost certainly have higher values than the last two FTVs combined. How is that not asking for a bit much. Price is not the problem. Entitlement is.
Yeah, I'm done here. Not wasting any more time on discussing this with you when I get this kind of response.
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Honest ones? Trust me, you were wasting your time before I started posting in the thread.
Impatience likely feeds into this decision, as well.
Cheers!
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You're thinking from the player's perspective. To the company, "guaranteed" makes less money than "random", which is why valuable-to-all/most-formats lands are unlikely to see print in preconstructed products (outside of Event Decks/Clash Packs, but being in Standard, it means the card recently had appeared in a random mode). The objective is not to lower the price as much as possible, it's to make the most money when the reprint happens. Although I have no statistics, I can say with confidence that more money will be spent opening packs to acquire a full playset of lands than it will be to buy 4x of a Commander set (20 total) - the only sales that the company cares about (the secondary market, like its name implies, is a secondary consideration).
Yes, as a player, I agree with you, it would be beneficial to all of us if the valuable lands appeared in pre-constructed products, but I'm confident over the years, wallets have already spoken to the company that "Random Pack Sets" make more money than pre-constructed decks already.