I'm fine with reprints, good common and uncommon reprints are often better than any block themed versions could have been. Even rare reprints (like the formerly mythic Felidar Sovereign) are okay and some of them (like the rare fetches in Khans, Thoughtseize in Theros etc.) can be majorly worthwhile.
But if they are going to use up a Mythic slot on a reprint it should at the very least be a highly desired modern power card. This however is just a cutesy little mythic that barely saw any play the 1st time around, doesn't see any play in modern and barely see's any play in EDH. This is not an okay use of a Mythic slot and I will be crying inside everytime I open one.
How many copies do you have for say that?
instead i think that all the cards should be cycling reprinted, and this is an amazing reprint against the spikes that put it on ebay at 20, regards
Not entirely sure what you are trying to say there. But the part I did understand (I hope) was - that you are asking how many copies I have - my answer is that I have enough (aka. 1 for EDH purposes), although I remember having a bunch of them rotting in my trade folder for a long long time.
Other than that what do you mean by "cycling reprinted"?
And with your ebay comment are you complaining that it had hit 20 on ebay before this reprinting or talking about seeing the new version on presale for 20?
I'm fine with reprints, good common and uncommon reprints are often better than any block themed versions could have been. Even rare reprints (like the formerly mythic Felidar Sovereign) are okay and some of them (like the rare fetches in Khans, Thoughtseize in Theros etc.) can be majorly worthwhile.
But if they are going to use up a Mythic slot on a reprint it should at the very least be a highly desired modern power card. This however is just a cutesy little mythic that barely saw any play the 1st time around, doesn't see any play in modern and barely see's any play in EDH. This is not an okay use of a Mythic slot and I will be crying inside everytime I open one.
Agree with everything except the doesn't see Commander play. It sees a fair amount of play from people who can afford it, but it's a $15 card. Good reprint, terrible rarity.
Seems a lot of folks are misunderstanding how this works. For a card to command a $10+ price tag while seeing no competitive play means it has massive casual demand. Players who don't participate in competitive constructed formats may post a lot less to forums, but they make up the vast majority of the player base and WotC's sales. Of course they get reprints like this one.
If you take the perspective of "Magic players as a whole," as Wizards obviously does if they're smart, then far from being reprints "no one wanted," cards like Dragonmaster Outcast and Felidar Sovereign are the hot reprints everyone was clamoring for.
I for one am actually stoked about this. This card costed waaaaaaay too much money -- should drop to a reasonable price now. Yes it's a mythic, but some of you guys who are complaining about this being a mythic are the same people that complained that they downshifted mythic feeling cards from MM2 so...
Psst, we need to stop referring to this card as a $15 card. SCG has already dropped their price today to $9.99 on the original and the new version is $5 (also shows that they don't care about this card).
We should also stop assuming that because this card fetched $15+ on scg that it was some highly demanded casual favorite. If you go to stores, GP's, other vendors and online retailers this card has been widely available for a while now. The demand for this card never exceeded the supply and places like SCG were controlling the price on this card specifically because people think it's a casual favorite.
To reiterate that last point, places like SCG are controlling the casual favorite market, a card like this had no business being so expensive, but because it has the word dragon on it players assume it's a casual favorite and when that happens it gives them free reign to up the price of the card. When the supply was never actually that bad for this one.
Anyways, it's a boring card but maybe it plays well with other dragons from Khans Block? Maybe it's just a reason to play R/G dragon/ramp?
Psst, we need to stop referring to this card as a $15 card. SCG has already dropped their price today to $9.99 on the original and the new version is $5 (also shows that they don't care about this card).
We should also stop assuming that because this card fetched $15+ on scg that it was some highly demanded casual favorite. If you go to stores, GP's, other vendors and online retailers this card has been widely available for a while now. The demand for this card never exceeded the supply and places like SCG were controlling the price on this card specifically because people think it's a casual favorite.
This is just not true; people bought these things for around 15 bucks on ebay. SCG wasn't inventing the price tag on this card, that's the price they were actually fetching. (This should not surprise us too much, really, because despite popular conspiracy theories to the contrary, online stores charge prices at which they actually sell product, outside of special cases related to extremely rare items where there's no real way to determine a market price)
"Being a casual favorite" is exactly how cards like this (and Dragon Broodmother, Doubling Season, etc) end up with significant price tags despite never seeing play in competitive formats. There are tons of casual players, far more than tournament players (plus obviously there's overlap, e.g., tournament players who also play EDH), and cards they find highly desirable can eventually attain significant price tags even though casual players are less motivated to spend a lot on singles than tournament players.
One aspect of that, which I think plays into the gradual price increases you often see on casual favorites, is that beloved casual cards get hoarded, while ex-tournament-staples tend to get put back into circulation.
I'm excited to finally own copies of this card, and more excited because it might be playable this time around. The format is not nearly as high powered as it was, and Red has cards that let it play better long game strategies now.
Seems a lot of folks are misunderstanding how this works. For a card to command a $10+ price tag while seeing no competitive play means it has massive casual demand. Players who don't participate in competitive constructed formats may post a lot less to forums, but they make up the vast majority of the player base and WotC's sales. Of course they get reprints like this one.
If you take the perspective of "Magic players as a whole," as Wizards obviously does if they're smart, then far from being reprints "no one wanted," cards like Dragonmaster Outcast and Felidar Sovereign are the hot reprints everyone was clamoring for.
I think you make fair points. What bothers me, though, is that this is being reprinted at mythic. How much will this alleviate demand and help bring the price down at that rarity? I'm skeptical. It would nice to finally have one of these, but on the other hand, I would feel disappointed if it was the only mythic I got out of a box (or however many packs it takes on average to pull a mythic).
Seems a lot of folks are misunderstanding how this works. For a card to command a $10+ price tag while seeing no competitive play means it has massive casual demand. Players who don't participate in competitive constructed formats may post a lot less to forums, but they make up the vast majority of the player base and WotC's sales. Of course they get reprints like this one.
If you take the perspective of "Magic players as a whole," as Wizards obviously does if they're smart, then far from being reprints "no one wanted," cards like Dragonmaster Outcast and Felidar Sovereign are the hot reprints everyone was clamoring for.
I think you make fair points. What bothers me, though, is that this is being reprinted at mythic. How much will this alleviate demand and help bring the price down at that rarity? I'm skeptical. It would nice to finally have one of these, but on the other hand, I would feel disappointed if it was the only mythic I got out of a box (or however many packs it takes on average to pull a mythic).
That's a good question, and I'm not sure what the answer is. One possibility is that they moved it down to Rare, like they did Felidar Sovereign, and it was too good in Limited? Certainly Dragonmaster is more frustrating to play against in draft than Sovereign is, since it's a "Have removal? No? Sorry, you're dead" kind of card, unless the format is really fast.
On the panel MaRo said they selected everything people liked about the original block, sorted it from their idea of "best" to "worst," then drew a line through and put everything above it in and left everything below it out.
So my only question is what moron over at WOTC put this card above that line and fetchlands below it?
On the panel MaRo said they selected everything people liked about the original block, sorted it from their idea of "best" to "worst," then drew a line through and put everything above it in and left everything below it out.
So my only question is what moron over at WOTC put this card above that line and fetchlands below it?
Perhaps Fetchlands and Priceless Treasures were #1 and #2, so that's how we ended up with the Expeditions. If you're above the Priceless Treasures line, you're in it.
Perhaps Fetchlands and Priceless Treasures were #1 and #2, so that's how we ended up with the Expeditions. If you're above the Priceless Treasures line, you're in it.
Well, I suppose I don't have an argument against that.
And while I sincerely doubt that this is what occurred, shame on them if it is so.
But thinking about it....I have a sick feeling that's what it may have been.
Priceless Treasures was great because no one expected it.....if people expect something of that caliber, then it creates a huge mess.....and I would be incredibly upset if they didn't write that off. It wasn't an actual aspect of the block/set as far as a gameplay standpoint is concerned - which is what I would HOPE they were taking into consideration.
On the panel MaRo said they selected everything people liked about the original block, sorted it from their idea of "best" to "worst," then drew a line through and put everything above it in and left everything below it out.
So my only question is what moron over at WOTC put this card above that line and fetchlands below it?
LOL MaRo is playing with you.
Usually they put the names of the cards on a dartboard and with a blindfold they will pick out the card that the dart hits.
I thought we were downshifting these sort of reprint kinda-exciting Mythic cards now (Felidar Sovereign, Gaea's Revenge, etc)? It's a cool card and I don't have a copy for Commander yet, so that's something, but I don't remember this doing a thing in Standard the first time around and to see it Mythic again is a bit meh.
Why would you want mythics to do a thing in standard? Do you like $30 mythics? I rather see rares doing a lot of stuff in standard and mythics being big & bomby or plain weird for casual play.
Word. 30+ dollar rares for Standard are really annoying, I'd rather have crappy mythics and better rares.
IMO this card is way too busted in Limited to get downshifted to rare. BFZ is slower than Zendikar and I expect Limited games to easily get past the six-land-mark, especially with Eldrazi in the format. This card is not fun to face down late game. You have to answer it the turn it is played, if you don't your opponent's boardstate will be incredibly difficult to overcome. A 5/5 a turn is very very potent, especially for one mana.
EDIT: Additionally, the current Standard meta is much much much slower than the Zendikar meta. Even the removal is arguably slower and Jund and Cawblade were both advantaged against this card, imo.
Think about an UR shell dropping this with six lands in play and 5 mana open with counter backup.
I'm not saying it will be a good card here. But it's better suited for this Standard than the original Zendikar standard.
When i open a mythic i prefer when it is worth at least the cost of the pack. Since they are rarer you could say it's not a problem if they are crappy.
But since they are rarer when you open a mythic which is les interesting as most of rares it sucks.
A proverb says " everything that's is rare is expensive" since a mythic is rarer than a rare it should be better(so more expensive) than most rares.
Other think but it may be debatable. The more bad mythics there is the more expensive good mythics are.
This, if all mythics are worth $5, opening any is good. And opening packs is worth it.
If 14 mythics are ***** and one is Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Worldwake/Dragon's Maze happens.
Not entirely sure what you are trying to say there. But the part I did understand (I hope) was - that you are asking how many copies I have - my answer is that I have enough (aka. 1 for EDH purposes), although I remember having a bunch of them rotting in my trade folder for a long long time.
Other than that what do you mean by "cycling reprinted"?
And with your ebay comment are you complaining that it had hit 20 on ebay before this reprinting or talking about seeing the new version on presale for 20?
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Agree with everything except the doesn't see Commander play. It sees a fair amount of play from people who can afford it, but it's a $15 card. Good reprint, terrible rarity.
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If you take the perspective of "Magic players as a whole," as Wizards obviously does if they're smart, then far from being reprints "no one wanted," cards like Dragonmaster Outcast and Felidar Sovereign are the hot reprints everyone was clamoring for.
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We should also stop assuming that because this card fetched $15+ on scg that it was some highly demanded casual favorite. If you go to stores, GP's, other vendors and online retailers this card has been widely available for a while now. The demand for this card never exceeded the supply and places like SCG were controlling the price on this card specifically because people think it's a casual favorite.
To reiterate that last point, places like SCG are controlling the casual favorite market, a card like this had no business being so expensive, but because it has the word dragon on it players assume it's a casual favorite and when that happens it gives them free reign to up the price of the card. When the supply was never actually that bad for this one.
Anyways, it's a boring card but maybe it plays well with other dragons from Khans Block? Maybe it's just a reason to play R/G dragon/ramp?
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I secretly ship Ral x Jace... and Nissa x Chandra... :">"Being a casual favorite" is exactly how cards like this (and Dragon Broodmother, Doubling Season, etc) end up with significant price tags despite never seeing play in competitive formats. There are tons of casual players, far more than tournament players (plus obviously there's overlap, e.g., tournament players who also play EDH), and cards they find highly desirable can eventually attain significant price tags even though casual players are less motivated to spend a lot on singles than tournament players.
One aspect of that, which I think plays into the gradual price increases you often see on casual favorites, is that beloved casual cards get hoarded, while ex-tournament-staples tend to get put back into circulation.
I think you make fair points. What bothers me, though, is that this is being reprinted at mythic. How much will this alleviate demand and help bring the price down at that rarity? I'm skeptical. It would nice to finally have one of these, but on the other hand, I would feel disappointed if it was the only mythic I got out of a box (or however many packs it takes on average to pull a mythic).
So my only question is what moron over at WOTC put this card above that line and fetchlands below it?
Perhaps Fetchlands and Priceless Treasures were #1 and #2, so that's how we ended up with the Expeditions. If you're above the Priceless Treasures line, you're in it.
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Well, I suppose I don't have an argument against that.
And while I sincerely doubt that this is what occurred, shame on them if it is so.
But thinking about it....I have a sick feeling that's what it may have been.
Priceless Treasures was great because no one expected it.....if people expect something of that caliber, then it creates a huge mess.....and I would be incredibly upset if they didn't write that off. It wasn't an actual aspect of the block/set as far as a gameplay standpoint is concerned - which is what I would HOPE they were taking into consideration.
LOL MaRo is playing with you.
Usually they put the names of the cards on a dartboard and with a blindfold they will pick out the card that the dart hits.
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Word. 30+ dollar rares for Standard are really annoying, I'd rather have crappy mythics and better rares.
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EDIT: Additionally, the current Standard meta is much much much slower than the Zendikar meta. Even the removal is arguably slower and Jund and Cawblade were both advantaged against this card, imo.
Think about an UR shell dropping this with six lands in play and 5 mana open with counter backup.
I'm not saying it will be a good card here. But it's better suited for this Standard than the original Zendikar standard.
This, if all mythics are worth $5, opening any is good. And opening packs is worth it.
If 14 mythics are ***** and one is Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Worldwake/Dragon's Maze happens.
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