The effect is tacked onto a 3/4 haste that will trigger whatever your other allies do, also it essentially prevents you from drawing into lands as long as you play allies.
Why do people think this means we can't get a 5 color ally legend? Zada, Hedron Grinder is also a legendary ally, as is the new vampire.
I am excited to see what the new allies have to offer though. This guy could have the quick support he needs, but the fact that this guy wasn't pushed to his limits means we're probably just using Gideon in the 4 drop.
The fact that it triggers on all ally cards entering play is why it doesn't draw you the cards.
If Ringleader drew you cards every time a goblin entered play instead of just once it would be insane.
Sadly that results in a much weaker effect but it's inevitable that it would be that way.
Domri is once a turn max, on an arguably more fragile body and doesn't synergize with itself (yes this is legendary but extra copies potentially have value).
This is on a 3/4 haste body that triggers every time an ally (including itself) is played. It would be fairly trivial to chain cantrip through a deck with enough 1/2 mana ally cards if it was scry, reveal like you want.
Awful. But the joke is weirder when you think of the game's creator - I was like "Why wouldn't Richard Garfield like this?" then I was PUNished for my curiosity.
Missed opportunity, at least he gives you a free Index like ability, also should have been at least RUW. A Legendary Lightning Angel would have been nice
It's as if everyone ignores that each ally adds another triggered ability to all creatures, they stack and snowball. This guy, in a naya ally deck, stacking two 2 3CMC allies will multi-trigger on your next turn, giving your whole band multiple abilities (lifelink? indestructible? +N/+N?) Allies are better than they read. This guy has a nice hasty body, ensure you ally flow and triggers any other ally you already have on the field.
Wishing for llanowar empath / domri rade kind of ability would be over the top.
Completely IS good and worth exploiting. Swing INTO Siege Rhino or any beefy wall, allies no whiff... CLOSE to draw, when opponent can draw card not yet castable or a land they don't need, through an opposite lens. Close to playing some kind of rather absurd GREEN deck.
4 Anointer of Champions
4 Infantry Veteran
4 Hada Freeblade
4 Munda, Ambush Leader
4 Lightning Helix
Allies
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"Warning: Um, warning. This is going to be a game state violation. And a taking extra turns and drawing extra cards violation, pretty much, a whole bunch of violations. Look at me, I'm the DCI."
It's as if everyone ignores that each ally adds another triggered ability to all creatures, they stack and snowball.
That's not true this time- Drana's Emissary is an ally with no "ally" ability, and there are others.
Also, Resolute Blademaster makes for a better ally Commander than this trash!
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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It's as if everyone ignores that each ally adds another triggered ability to all creatures, they stack and snowball.
That's not true this time- Drana's Emissary is an ally with no "ally" ability, and there are others.
Also, Resolute Blademaster makes for a better ally Commander than this trash!
Or he makes a great follow up to Munda, and more likely will thanks to Munda's topdeck fixing.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
The people here complaining about the guy not drawing you a card chosen from the top 4 in your library, you obviously haven't played with or against two cards that let you basically do precisely what you were asking for: Dormant Sliver and Glimpse of Nature, these two cards allowed you to draw a card each time you cast another creature, and were centerpieces of decks that basically drew almost their entire libraries before flattening your sorry ass with a landslide that would put the Eldrazi swarms to shame.
Even with the slower allies from Worldwake, Sea Gate Loremaster could easily pull about 4 or 5 cards from your library anytime you activated his ability.
yes i read the card clearly. im not blind. as i have stated before, for a RW EDH commander, its card advantage since RW rarely gets any form of card advantage. does it matter if they end up on the top of the library? just draw them out. the fact that this card filters the top of the deck makes it great for RW.
I don't think you are using the term "card advantage" correctly. You gain no cards here. It filters, sure. But as you are obviously aware of RW has a hard time "just draw[ing] them out." This guy does not generate any card advantage whatsoever.
i think it's very clear that we are looking at the same thing from different angles. as it has been mentioned by zachawry, it's virtual card advantage. It is a RW creature that is allowing you to filter your deck at a consistent rate. of course this guy is not drawing or having the creatures since that is the domain of Green and Blue, not RW.
The effect is tacked onto a 3/4 haste that will trigger whatever your other allies do, also it essentially prevents you from drawing into lands as long as you play allies.
Why do people think this means we can't get a 5 color ally legend? Zada, Hedron Grinder is also a legendary ally, as is the new vampire.
a worse domri rade is considered broken now?
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If Ringleader drew you cards every time a goblin entered play instead of just once it would be insane.
Sadly that results in a much weaker effect but it's inevitable that it would be that way.
Domri is once a turn max, on an arguably more fragile body and doesn't synergize with itself (yes this is legendary but extra copies potentially have value).
This is on a 3/4 haste body that triggers every time an ally (including itself) is played. It would be fairly trivial to chain cantrip through a deck with enough 1/2 mana ally cards if it was scry, reveal like you want.
Typical Ambush Leader, then... shows up late, takes all the glory... no wonder he's Legendary...
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Awful. But the joke is weirder when you think of the game's creator - I was like "Why wouldn't Richard Garfield like this?" then I was PUNished for my curiosity.
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if it was a 3/3 for 3 or a 4/4 for 4 with everything else kept the same, it would be crazy good.
as is, it's fine.
Always hitting the gas is very, very good (even if it "limits" you to Ally cards only).
Probably not good enough for Modern, but it is close.
It's as if everyone ignores that each ally adds another triggered ability to all creatures, they stack and snowball. This guy, in a naya ally deck, stacking two 2 3CMC allies will multi-trigger on your next turn, giving your whole band multiple abilities (lifelink? indestructible? +N/+N?) Allies are better than they read. This guy has a nice hasty body, ensure you ally flow and triggers any other ally you already have on the field.
Wishing for llanowar empath / domri rade kind of ability would be over the top.
Completely IS good and worth exploiting. Swing INTO Siege Rhino or any beefy wall, allies no whiff... CLOSE to draw, when opponent can draw card not yet castable or a land they don't need, through an opposite lens. Close to playing some kind of rather absurd GREEN deck.
4 Anointer of Champions
4 Infantry Veteran
4 Hada Freeblade
4 Munda, Ambush Leader
4 Lightning Helix
Allies
That's not true this time- Drana's Emissary is an ally with no "ally" ability, and there are others.
Also, Resolute Blademaster makes for a better ally Commander than this trash!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Or he makes a great follow up to Munda, and more likely will thanks to Munda's topdeck fixing.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Even with the slower allies from Worldwake, Sea Gate Loremaster could easily pull about 4 or 5 cards from your library anytime you activated his ability.
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i think it's very clear that we are looking at the same thing from different angles. as it has been mentioned by zachawry, it's virtual card advantage. It is a RW creature that is allowing you to filter your deck at a consistent rate. of course this guy is not drawing or having the creatures since that is the domain of Green and Blue, not RW.
Reanimate sucks cause it needs cards like Entomb to work.