The more I think of fun ways to abuse Zada with a field of decent creatures, the more I want to. I want to live the dream and Balduvian Rage, followed up by Fling. This might need to happen.
Edit - Fling doesn't work the way I hoped, sacrificing a creature is an additional cost and won't be copied
Mechanically, I like Smothering Abomination quite a bit. Seems strong, and the build-around-me drawback is compelling.
But yeah... it feels nothing at all like an Eldrazi. What's with all these (relatively) little creatures with significant colored mana commitments? It's starting to feel like WotC designed an entirely different set, then just slapped devoid on half of it and re-skinned it as Zendikar 2.
Zada, Hedron Grinder is going to be annoying in EDH. Not necessarily good, just annoying.
Am I correct in assuming Smothering Abdomination's "At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice a creature" clause requires that sacrifice be to Smothering Abdomination and doesn't get met simply by generically sacrificing a creature say to High Market?
Correct. This is a trigger which on resolution requires you to sacrifice a creature. If you do not control another creature, it will sacrifice itself. Sacrificing to other cards (such as High Market) does trigger its card-drawing ability, but has nothing to do with its first triggered ability.
Mechanically, I like Smothering Abomination. Seems strong, and the build-around-me drawback is compelling.
But yeah... it feels nothing at all like an Eldrazi. What's with all these (relatively) little creatures with significant colored mana commitments? It's starting to feel like WotC designed an entirely different set, then just slapped devoid on half of it and re-skinned it as Zendikar 2.
So what were nest invader, kozilek's predator, emrakul's hatcher, dread drone etc. if not eldrazi (yes some of those new ones aren't drones, but it is still quite close)? Those devoid cards are just the evolution of those eldrazi and to enable a colorless matter theme for limited (you can't have efficient actual colorless creatures at lower mana cost for balance reasons)...
Because a sleeper means it has more potential than its first impressions. Doesn't mean that it's a secret, lol.
Huh. Never heard that definition before. Usually (in MTG) it's used to mean something that's somewhat hidden or obscured that's better than it first seems. Normally that refers to things that are more than 7 minutes old.
Zada is the most Johnny-tastic card we've seen so far. I can see this combining with Monastery Mentor and going nuts.
As someone pointed out, the copies of the spell aren't cast and therefore don't trigger prowess or Mentor's ability. He still combos well with Mentor simply because you'll want more bodies on the board and will naturally be running lots of noncreature spells, but he can't really go nuts exactly.
Now, if Wizards sees fit to print a pump spell that also spits out an Eldrazi Spawn, then I think we are in business.
At least if they remove your guy when you cast the inevitable pump spell, you still get copies. However, it means playing him turn 4 is bad as he will 100% eat a removal spell, so the best thing to do is wait turn 5, play him, hope he does not get countered, keep priority then play a one CMC pump spell for your other goblins. Unfortunately there are none (post-rotation), so we'll have to wait for more spoilers.
Doesn't have to be goblins. Any cheap allys would be good, we do still have hordeling outburst, not to mention Monastery swiftspear for the lols.
Or did you mean pump spells? If so become immense would like a word with you, and titan's strength is in Origins.
Actually sense you mention swiftspear, I kind of smell a Jeskai brew with this guy utilizing prowess and maybe even Jeskai Ascendancy. This + Monastery Mentor anyone?
Hell, in Ascendancy, this plus Defiant Strike is utterly ridiculous.
Fling type spells WILL NOT work how you all hope they do.
If you sacrifice Zada to a Fling, you are not targeting Zada to gain copies. If you wanted to wrath your own board, then yes by all means target Zada with Flings damage.
Chaos Warp could be interesting on Zada....and wizards thought fetchlands caused a lot of shuffling.
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
Mechanically, I like Smothering Abomination. Seems strong, and the build-around-me drawback is compelling.
But yeah... it feels nothing at all like an Eldrazi. What's with all these (relatively) little creatures with significant colored mana commitments? It's starting to feel like WotC designed an entirely different set, then just slapped devoid on half of it and re-skinned it as Zendikar 2.
So what were nest invader, kozilek's predator, emrakul's hatcher, dread drone etc. if not eldrazi (yes some of those new ones aren't drones, but it is still quite close)? Those devoid cards are just the evolution of those eldrazi and to enable a colorless matter theme for limited (you can't have efficient actual colorless creatures at lower mana cost for balance reasons)...
Except that every single example you gave is an eldrazi drone. It's really weird to see a true eldrazi (you know, those things that are supposed to be plane-ruining creatures) able to be blocked and killed by a big bird.
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
Sacrificing the Scions for mana still triggers Abomination, though. It triggers off of any sacrifice.
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In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
I think the idea is that you get an added bonus when saccing the Spawns to ramp, as you will still trigger the card draw that way with this guy on the board. If you are making more than one Spawn a turn, then this card seems like it could generate superlative card advantage while still allowing you to ramp.
Someone pointed out that Might of the Masses is a card that exists in standard and in a deck that goes wide like Atarka Goblins, Zada might be extremely nasty in that regard.
Mechanically, I like Smothering Abomination. Seems strong, and the build-around-me drawback is compelling.
But yeah... it feels nothing at all like an Eldrazi. What's with all these (relatively) little creatures with significant colored mana commitments? It's starting to feel like WotC designed an entirely different set, then just slapped devoid on half of it and re-skinned it as Zendikar 2.
So what were nest invader, kozilek's predator, emrakul's hatcher, dread drone etc. if not eldrazi (yes some of those new ones aren't drones, but it is still quite close)? Those devoid cards are just the evolution of those eldrazi and to enable a colorless matter theme for limited (you can't have efficient actual colorless creatures at lower mana cost for balance reasons)...
Except that every single example you gave is an eldrazi drone. It's really weird to see a true eldrazi (you know, those things that are supposed to be plane-ruining creatures) able to be blocked and killed by a big bird.
Exactly. I feel like WotC had their flavor figured out with the RotE Eldrazi. The little guys were Drones that still had a color, but they were all ramping towards their giant masters that were all colorless. It made the real Eldrazi feel weird and different, and really helped cement the battlecruiser idea. (Battlecruiser Magic seems to be an afterthought in BFZI, at best, though that's not what I'm complaining about here.)
My issue is that BFZI Eldrazi are just all over the place, flavor-wise. If this was my first exposure to Eldrazi (and it will be for most Magic players), I would have no idea what they even are. Pink squiggly dudes, I guess? WotC just isn't speaking in a coherent flavor language this time.
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
I think the idea is that you get an added bonus when saccing the Spawns to ramp, as you will still trigger the card draw that way with this guy on the board. If you are making more than one Spawn a turn, then this card seems like it could generate superlative card advantage while still allowing you to ramp.
Sure but it just seems like it could quicky get out of hand. I´m looking forward to see if we get anything like Awakening Zone to feed Smothering Abomination with
The wording is "only Zada is targeted". Coordinated assault would only work if you targeted him. The copies would only target each other creature since you can't retarget.
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
Why not both?
Because you would end up sacrificing so much that you run out of creatures to sacrifice. Smothering Abomination would have been a lot more interesting if you didn´t have to sacrifice a creature every upkeep in a set that already wants you to sacrifice other things for mana ramping
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
I think the idea is that you get an added bonus when saccing the Spawns to ramp, as you will still trigger the card draw that way with this guy on the board. If you are making more than one Spawn a turn, then this card seems like it could generate superlative card advantage while still allowing you to ramp.
Sure but it just seems like it could quicky get out of hand. I´m looking forward to see if we get anything like Awakening Zone to feed Smothering Abomination with
The is the Black Enchantment that was allegedly spoiled by the same person who spoiled all the other super early leaks. It allows you to spend and move an opponent's card from exile to the graveyard to make a Scion. If that is real and we have a reliable way to exile cards (the enchantment was said to exile one a turn), things are going to get crazy.
In a set filled with spawns that you have to sacrifice to get mana, I dont think Smothering Abomination is worth it if you for instance build a deck with a lot of spawns that you can sacrifice to draw a card. Often I would much rather use the spawns to ramp up some mana for bigger spells
I think the idea is that you get an added bonus when saccing the Spawns to ramp, as you will still trigger the card draw that way with this guy on the board. If you are making more than one Spawn a turn, then this card seems like it could generate superlative card advantage while still allowing you to ramp.
Sure but it just seems like it could quicky get out of hand. I´m looking forward to see if we get anything like Awakening Zone to feed Smothering Abomination with
The is the Black Enchantment that was allegedly spoiled by the same person who spoiled all the other super early leaks. It allows you to spend and move an opponent's card from exile to the graveyard to make a Scion. If that is real and we have a reliable way to exile cards (the enchantment was said to exile one a turn), things are going to get crazy.
Do we know that this (awesome) black enchantment was spoiled by the reliable source and not by some useless gossip?
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Edit - Fling doesn't work the way I hoped, sacrificing a creature is an additional cost and won't be copied
But yeah... it feels nothing at all like an Eldrazi. What's with all these (relatively) little creatures with significant colored mana commitments? It's starting to feel like WotC designed an entirely different set, then just slapped devoid on half of it and re-skinned it as Zendikar 2.
Zada, Hedron Grinder is going to be annoying in EDH. Not necessarily good, just annoying.
Correct. This is a trigger which on resolution requires you to sacrifice a creature. If you do not control another creature, it will sacrifice itself. Sacrificing to other cards (such as High Market) does trigger its card-drawing ability, but has nothing to do with its first triggered ability.
So what were nest invader, kozilek's predator, emrakul's hatcher, dread drone etc. if not eldrazi (yes some of those new ones aren't drones, but it is still quite close)? Those devoid cards are just the evolution of those eldrazi and to enable a colorless matter theme for limited (you can't have efficient actual colorless creatures at lower mana cost for balance reasons)...
Yeah, but probably not the way you're thinking about.
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As someone pointed out, the copies of the spell aren't cast and therefore don't trigger prowess or Mentor's ability. He still combos well with Mentor simply because you'll want more bodies on the board and will naturally be running lots of noncreature spells, but he can't really go nuts exactly.
Now, if Wizards sees fit to print a pump spell that also spits out an Eldrazi Spawn, then I think we are in business.
Hell, in Ascendancy, this plus Defiant Strike is utterly ridiculous.
If you sacrifice Zada to a Fling, you are not targeting Zada to gain copies. If you wanted to wrath your own board, then yes by all means target Zada with Flings damage.
Chaos Warp could be interesting on Zada....and wizards thought fetchlands caused a lot of shuffling.
Zada could be interesting in Modern with something like Mutagenic Growth or Become Immense
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Except that every single example you gave is an eldrazi drone. It's really weird to see a true eldrazi (you know, those things that are supposed to be plane-ruining creatures) able to be blocked and killed by a big bird.
Sacrificing the Scions for mana still triggers Abomination, though. It triggers off of any sacrifice.
I think the idea is that you get an added bonus when saccing the Spawns to ramp, as you will still trigger the card draw that way with this guy on the board. If you are making more than one Spawn a turn, then this card seems like it could generate superlative card advantage while still allowing you to ramp.
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My issue is that BFZI Eldrazi are just all over the place, flavor-wise. If this was my first exposure to Eldrazi (and it will be for most Magic players), I would have no idea what they even are. Pink squiggly dudes, I guess? WotC just isn't speaking in a coherent flavor language this time.
Sure but it just seems like it could quicky get out of hand. I´m looking forward to see if we get anything like Awakening Zone to feed Smothering Abomination with
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Because you would end up sacrificing so much that you run out of creatures to sacrifice. Smothering Abomination would have been a lot more interesting if you didn´t have to sacrifice a creature every upkeep in a set that already wants you to sacrifice other things for mana ramping
Do we know that this (awesome) black enchantment was spoiled by the reliable source and not by some useless gossip?