Languish into Ob Nixilis Reignited will be backbreaking for a lot of decks I feel. Clear the board of smaller chaff, and anything left gets hit by Ob, who can then start drawing cards and winning the battle of card advantage. Mono black control will be a strong contender I think come rotation.
But what reason even is there to run Monoblack instead of Blue/Black or White/Black?
You are indeed correct mono black control its close but yeh splashing blue is obviously good for Jace, Vryn's ProdigyDragonlord Silumgar and Clash of Wills I dont know if going a heavy black deck the 2 blue for dig might be too much mana base is 4 sunken hollows 8 fetches that can get sunken hollows + 1 island + rest swamps
If there is a white/black manland in this set instead of in Oath, I think white/black might actually be a playable color combination.
Possibly Sultai Superfriends? We have Jace, Nissa(maybe), Kiora, Ob and Ugin. Too bad Biggest Garruk rotates out too. It also gets languish and disdainful stroke.
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
1) His original version did life loss on landfall of three per. It makes sense flavorwise to have him continue to drain life for natural game occurrences (first land drops, now card draws) Additionally, he emblems-- they draw a card, then you draw one. If he survived the emblem, you tick him up for six life lost on the opponent in a one turn span. Symmetrical to his old form and incredibly powerful.
2) He reignited his spark. You would be happy too. Maybe there is hope yet for the throwback planeswalkers set with Teferi reigniting.
3) Smallest amount of card text on a powerful planeswalker since Garruk Wildspeaker. This guy is absurd.
4) Kiora has more loyalty, but needs a creature to defend herself. Negative points. Her abilities are powerful but I am not sure they assist the same decks : \
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
+1 that protects you somewhat if you have other creatures but not so hot at protecting you/itself when the board is empty? Check.
-2 that digs and gives you 1 or 2 cards? Check.
-8 that does something ridiculously overkill? Check.
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
The biggest problem with white is that the wraths are 5 mana. Esper Dragons will likely reign now that the mana is significantly better.
Ob Nixilis is cool.
it's a sorcery speed murder for 3BB that leaves a Phyrexian Arena behind that can eventually kill some more dudes.
the ultimate is meh.... 3 turns charging is never very likely to go off, and this one is not a that fast of a clock unless you really build around it.
still, solid walker.
Kiora could be pretty sick in the right deck.
4 mana is the sweet spot of playable walkers.
+1 ramps and helps to protect her by untaping your blockers, or ramps even further by untaping mana dorks.
-2 is pretty serious card advantage, a spell that costs 2UG digs 4 cards, puts 2 in your hand AND fills your graveyard is already pretty damn good in the right deck... and that spell leaves a nice planeswalker behind. If left unchecked, she can even do it twice, 2 turns in a row.
the ultimate is also crazy, even if it's not likely to ever be activated, once it activates, it's 24 power in the table + 3 "free" removal spells...
if that doesn't swing the game, I really don't know what will.
Though I fail to see how that's especially damning to good Planeswalkers. It's not like Hero's Downfall was gone for a time or did a whole lot to dissuade the use of Planeswalkers, and Dreadbore was around before that. Planeswalkers have been killable by 3-mana spells for some time now, but good ones are still good.
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While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
Don't forget about Bant. New Kiora is very, very good with Ojutai. Immediately resetting his Hexproof is really good.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
Don't forget about Bant. New Kiora is very, very good with Ojutai. Immediately resetting his Hexproof is really good.
While Kiora is good with Ojutai, I think she requires too many creatures to consistently work in a Control deck. She seems great in Bant Midrange though.
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
Don't forget about Bant. New Kiora is very, very good with Ojutai. Immediately resetting his Hexproof is really good.
While Kiora is good with Ojutai, I think she requires too many creatures to consistently work in a Control deck. She seems great in Bant Midrange though.
Yea, I'm wondering if her in conjunction with Sarkhan is enough to make Temur Midrange work.
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I hope Kiora isn't too expensive. Need just one for EDH. PWs are always a mess to obtain.
The smart play is usually waiting to buy planeswalkers if this set is busted as much as Khans or more so most of the singles should fall in value 3-5 months after the set comes out. Look at how cheap the vast majority of cards in Khans are, that is due to the fact that everyone opened the set for the fetchlands.
If you must have it day one, be prepared to pay out more for getting it ASAP.
I was fortunate to pull the one Jace, Vryn's Prodigy I needed in Origins. I'd love for that to happen with Kiora, or something I could trade for her, but who knows... I'd really love to have Kiora on Prerelease day to play her ASAP in EDH as I don't like incomplete decks. I've already made room for her in it. I don't mind trading high for cards, but I'd never buy her at full hyped value. I'd be willing to buy her at $15 but I highly doubt she'll go for that at the prerelease even if she's not all that for Standard as far as anyone can tell so far. But who knows. Jace was $11 when I pulled him and no one was impressed, but as a Vorthos Jace fan I was thrilled beyond belief. It's still irrelevant to me he tripled his value, since I'll always keep and value the card, but with new releases prices are agonizingly relevant when you want a certain mythic.
I still don't have a Nissa from M15 since she remained like $25 through the whole format for example, so sometimes it just never happens for whatever reason.
The core sets are opened a lot less so copies of cards like Nissa stay higher than they would in a set like Khans. Its partly why they are ditching the core sets since people just don't buy them as much as they would a Return to Ravnica or a Khans of Tarkir. It also doesn't help that the core set then faces competition with the first set of a block just a few months after it comes out.
Savage Knuckleblade also is a quite strong card waiting to be used.
I've been running a Temur Superfriends deck since DTK, and Knuckleblade is insane. It plays somewhere between a control deck and midrange deck, and late game, Knuckleblades are excellent. You can drop one the turn you draw it, give it haste, and buff it to swing for 6, and if you have enough mana open after all of that, you can bounce it back to your hand to dodge removal. And it's also a great Ferocious enabler, allowing you get full value out of your sideboard Feed the Clans (On several occasions, I've used two Feed the Clans against mono red on turn 4 in response to their Stoking my Knuckleblade. There's nothing that will kill mono red's spirits faster than their opponent instantly gaining 20 life.
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If there is a white/black manland in this set instead of in Oath, I think white/black might actually be a playable color combination.
3 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Planar Outburst
3 Languish
4 Read the Bones
4 Reave Soul
4 Swift Reckoning
4 Ruinous Path
4 Murderous Cut
3 Celestial Flare
4 White/Black Manland
6 Plains
4 Scoured Barrens
7 Swamp
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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so much double white and double black - i like the allied pair its heaps easier on the mana you can splash blue for a few key cards it heaps easier the fetchlands power the delve for murderous cut
While there is a lot of double white and double black, using the guidelines established in Frank Karsten's mana sources article, this deck should be able to cast every card in it at least 90% of the time on the earliest turn you could have the mana, with the exception of Celestial Flare which is only a couple of white sources short.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/frank-analysis-how-many-colored-mana-sources-do-you-need-to-consistently-cast-your-spells/
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
1) His original version did life loss on landfall of three per. It makes sense flavorwise to have him continue to drain life for natural game occurrences (first land drops, now card draws) Additionally, he emblems-- they draw a card, then you draw one. If he survived the emblem, you tick him up for six life lost on the opponent in a one turn span. Symmetrical to his old form and incredibly powerful.
2) He reignited his spark. You would be happy too. Maybe there is hope yet for the throwback planeswalkers set with Teferi reigniting.
3) Smallest amount of card text on a powerful planeswalker since Garruk Wildspeaker. This guy is absurd.
4) Kiora has more loyalty, but needs a creature to defend herself. Negative points. Her abilities are powerful but I am not sure they assist the same decks : \
5) Bow to your new demon overlords
Same article says
1 colored mana (jace or clash of wills) by turn 2 = 13 sources
2 colored mana (ruinous path) by turn 3 = 19 sources
Allied colors you get 20 sources of black and 13 sources of blue you get to thin your deck as well
3 Ultimate Price
2 Murderous Cut
2 Ruinous Path
3 Read the Bones
3 Duress
3 Despise
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 Dragonlord Silumgar
3 Clash of Wills
3 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
12 Swamps
I agree that UB does work, I am just saying that the mana is barely any better than WB, so the basis for comparison should be in the individual power-level of the cards in it, which I think white/black is a lot better at. Also, I wouldn't run Ultimate Price. It is just dead against too many things, especially with Devoid now existing.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
hopefully we see some better 1B conditional removal spell spoiler seasons is beginning but yeah I can see a heavy black control list splashing blue or white or even red playable just off the back of ob nix he is insane so good kill something straight away or card advantage he is the best black planeswalker since liliana of the vale people will try to brew him in modern he will see heavy standard play in a range of decks from abzan rhinos to control
Blue/White Control is honestly probably gonna be the best Control deck (unless if some newly spoiled card changes that). It has slightly worse removal spells, but Dragonlord Ojutai, Dig Through Time, and Gideon are so absurd together in a Control shell.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
4 mana, 4 loyalty? Check.
+1 that protects you somewhat if you have other creatures but not so hot at protecting you/itself when the board is empty? Check.
-2 that digs and gives you 1 or 2 cards? Check.
-8 that does something ridiculously overkill? Check.
I hereby dub her Kiora, Architect of Thought.
The biggest problem with white is that the wraths are 5 mana. Esper Dragons will likely reign now that the mana is significantly better.
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it's a sorcery speed murder for 3BB that leaves a Phyrexian Arena behind that can eventually kill some more dudes.
the ultimate is meh.... 3 turns charging is never very likely to go off, and this one is not a that fast of a clock unless you really build around it.
still, solid walker.
Kiora could be pretty sick in the right deck.
4 mana is the sweet spot of playable walkers.
+1 ramps and helps to protect her by untaping your blockers, or ramps even further by untaping mana dorks.
-2 is pretty serious card advantage, a spell that costs 2UG digs 4 cards, puts 2 in your hand AND fills your graveyard is already pretty damn good in the right deck... and that spell leaves a nice planeswalker behind. If left unchecked, she can even do it twice, 2 turns in a row.
the ultimate is also crazy, even if it's not likely to ever be activated, once it activates, it's 24 power in the table + 3 "free" removal spells...
if that doesn't swing the game, I really don't know what will.
Did I miss something? What's the new PW removal? Was wondering what would replace hero's downfall.
Ruinous Path.
Though I fail to see how that's especially damning to good Planeswalkers. It's not like Hero's Downfall was gone for a time or did a whole lot to dissuade the use of Planeswalkers, and Dreadbore was around before that. Planeswalkers have been killable by 3-mana spells for some time now, but good ones are still good.
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While Kiora is good with Ojutai, I think she requires too many creatures to consistently work in a Control deck. She seems great in Bant Midrange though.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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I was already considering this- Kiora, Master of the Depths + Sarkhan Unbroken + Bring to Light could be an interesting deck,
especially if they print a playable rainbow land to enable casting BtL for 5.
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I've been running a Temur Superfriends deck since DTK, and Knuckleblade is insane. It plays somewhere between a control deck and midrange deck, and late game, Knuckleblades are excellent. You can drop one the turn you draw it, give it haste, and buff it to swing for 6, and if you have enough mana open after all of that, you can bounce it back to your hand to dodge removal. And it's also a great Ferocious enabler, allowing you get full value out of your sideboard Feed the Clans (On several occasions, I've used two Feed the Clans against mono red on turn 4 in response to their Stoking my Knuckleblade. There's nothing that will kill mono red's spirits faster than their opponent instantly gaining 20 life.