Hope that the new Landfall wont be a RG thing.. I have a Damia Landfall deck that would have LOVED the new Omnath! I was looking at BFZ for filling my deck with all sort of sweet new landfall cards the Sphinx is trash compare to Roidnath
I'm already in the process of converting my Damia landfall to new Omnath. It's always bugged me she doesn't do anything with lands (aside from drawing a ton of them) and the Vorthos in me cannot abide bypassing a landfall general for one that just so happens to fit the best colors for the keyword.
This is a stoooooopid build around me card. I love it. Someone gave Omnath some steroids.
I could see this being used with evoke and Ball Lightnings like, a lot.
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This looks awesome! Horde of Notions EDH just got a shiny new toy, it looks to be a very interesting commander in its own right. I think in standard I think it will certainly be tested in place of big Atarka. Perhaps RG landfall/ Elementals could be a thing..?
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I'm getting visions of Temur control. Am I the only one? I mean if we get Rampant Growth or something functionally identical it's not out of the question to get him down on turn 5. And in a control deck packing counterspells and burn you could wait until you could do something stupid like play Hulknath then play a fetch and crack it all in one turn. Throw in Nissa for consistency, Evolutionary Leap for sacs (and awesome filtering if we get anything that looks at the top of our deck. Wonder what Oracle of Mul Daya is doing these days), and Ugin as an alternate finisher and methinks you have a deck.
Temur control, with rampant growth effects? Exactly what sort of control deck is this? I think temur control may be a thing, but definitely not because of omnath.
He would be decent to supplement the atarkas in a ramp plan though, I think.
Because early game if you're not doing something else with your lands you can fix your mana and late game it's straight up card advantage? And hell, the aforementioned Embodiment of Spring isn't a terrible consideration. It slows aggro decks down, gets your mana and becomes a 2 mana 5/5 with a bolt attached late game. I think he makes a damn fine control finisher.
Ramping to omnath can't be called a control strategy unless your deck is very unfocused - which is just not competitive. Nobody calls G/R devotion a control deck at the moment, do they? I believe Temur control may be viable, but as U/R splashing green for value creatures and/or planeswalkers (hi sarkhan) - of which omnath definitely could be one in a slower metagame.
As for ramping straight to omnath then going nuts - this assumes 1) you get to omnath in time and 2) you actually get to keep omnath long enough to get insane value from him. I find it highly difficult to imagine what sort of deck will not pose at least one of these problems, but it's such value to untap with omnath that he probably sees a little play anyway.
I do think you can have a seven drop on turn 4 assuming a nut draw with no disruption.
No one calls GR devotion a control deck because it doesn't pack a ton of removal and counter spells and it's goal isn't to stop the opponent from doing things until the game is locked away and it's safe to cast a game ending threat. Like I said; The rampant growths are value early because control decks want to get their lands out and if you don't have a 2 mana counterspell or have reason to think you wont need to use it why not rampant growth. Get ahead in an archetype that can make the most use of getting ahead. If you get Omnath a turn early that's fantastic. If you just get your one land a turn and play him on turn 7 hoping he makes it that's not such a great plan but, like I said if you can get to a position where you can cast him and then play a land, preferably a fetch, then you're in value town. And Omnath completely negates the downside of running Rampant Growths into the late game because they're normally terrible top decks. But if you've got Omnath they're fantastic. I mean this is all spitballing but I think it's worth looking into.
I didn't know that FRF/DTK and BFZ blocks were the last ever standard sets and we are only going to have these cards for the rest of our lives...
This is how standard works. Often if something isn't good before rotation the chances of it being good after rotation are very slim. I'll bet you this will see no standard play in the 6 months after Atarka rotates.
The only thing that will change this opinion of mine if some serious elemental synergy is printed that allows you to cheat this guy into play early in the game so you can actually get value from landfall triggers.
While I agree that Atarka is probably (but not definitely) better, there have been plenty of cards that became much better after rotations, as well as others that were great before rotation, but became much worse afterwards (because while they didn't rotate, their support did).
If current creature-based ramp gets replaced by land-based ramp (which it is) then a top end card which makes ramp not be dead late game could be good (as well as the fact that casting Omnath with a fetch out is better against control than casting atarka). With what we know now, I think Atarka is better, but there are a lot of cards left, and the format really hasn't even completely settled from Origins (a meta that is far from solved will likely change in unexpected ways even if a new set is relatively weak, which BFZ probably will not be)
Avenger of Zendikar saw some play in Valakut decks in standard. But that was due to the power of Primeval Titan. I don't think Omnath will have that same impact, though 7cmc 10 power worth of creatures is no slouch.
I didn't know that FRF/DTK and BFZ blocks were the last ever standard sets and we are only going to have these cards for the rest of our lives...
This is how standard works. Often if something isn't good before rotation the chances of it being good after rotation are very slim. I'll bet you this will see no standard play in the 6 months after Atarka rotates.
The only thing that will change this opinion of mine if some serious elemental synergy is printed that allows you to cheat this guy into play early in the game so you can actually get value from landfall triggers.
Too much synergy already exists for this card not to be a competitive curve topper. Zendikar's Roil pumps out Elementals. Animists Awakening helps with the ramp/token gen. He's best in a Jund topper to run Languish to turn those 2/2's into bolts to the face. As mentioned, creature ramp is being replaced with rampant growth-style ramp.
I'm thinking of running a Temur build with this guy. Having the ascendancy out gives the elementals haste and was thinking of running a one of Dagons descent (not sure if that is the right name) to sack the elemental tokens for burn and dragons for hasty attack.
Ok i really want to make an Omnasty commander deck now, I'm not sure what else is gonna be in there yet, but I know I want Titania, and a hot little dish called Goblin Bombardment seasoned with a spicy dash of Firecat Blitz! Mmmm!
PS. the Blitz has errata that makes the tokens Elemental Cats FYI.
Ok i really want to make an Omnasty commander deck now, I'm not sure what else is gonna be in there yet, but I know I want Titania, and a hot little dish called Goblin Bombardment seasoned with a spicy dash of Firecat Blitz! Mmmm!
PS. the Blitz has errata that makes the tokens Elemental Cats FYI.
Never noticed that errata. That makes that card rather absurd in that situation.
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I'm already in the process of converting my Damia landfall to new Omnath. It's always bugged me she doesn't do anything with lands (aside from drawing a ton of them) and the Vorthos in me cannot abide bypassing a landfall general for one that just so happens to fit the best colors for the keyword.
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I didn't know that FRF/DTK and BFZ blocks were the last ever standard sets and we are only going to have these cards for the rest of our lives...
It's awful compared to Locus of Mana. This doesn't really communicate that Omnath is gigantic (though maybe not anymore) or that Omnath is angry.
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I could see this being used with evoke and Ball Lightnings like, a lot.
On phasing:
BRGKresh the BloodbraidedBRG, A box of lands and ideas.
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RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
In all fairness, you only said that Omnath was r/g and had landfall, which is pretty vague. It's understandable that people are still skeptical.
Because early game if you're not doing something else with your lands you can fix your mana and late game it's straight up card advantage? And hell, the aforementioned Embodiment of Spring isn't a terrible consideration. It slows aggro decks down, gets your mana and becomes a 2 mana 5/5 with a bolt attached late game. I think he makes a damn fine control finisher.
No one calls GR devotion a control deck because it doesn't pack a ton of removal and counter spells and it's goal isn't to stop the opponent from doing things until the game is locked away and it's safe to cast a game ending threat. Like I said; The rampant growths are value early because control decks want to get their lands out and if you don't have a 2 mana counterspell or have reason to think you wont need to use it why not rampant growth. Get ahead in an archetype that can make the most use of getting ahead. If you get Omnath a turn early that's fantastic. If you just get your one land a turn and play him on turn 7 hoping he makes it that's not such a great plan but, like I said if you can get to a position where you can cast him and then play a land, preferably a fetch, then you're in value town. And Omnath completely negates the downside of running Rampant Growths into the late game because they're normally terrible top decks. But if you've got Omnath they're fantastic. I mean this is all spitballing but I think it's worth looking into.
This is how standard works. Often if something isn't good before rotation the chances of it being good after rotation are very slim. I'll bet you this will see no standard play in the 6 months after Atarka rotates.
The only thing that will change this opinion of mine if some serious elemental synergy is printed that allows you to cheat this guy into play early in the game so you can actually get value from landfall triggers.
If current creature-based ramp gets replaced by land-based ramp (which it is) then a top end card which makes ramp not be dead late game could be good (as well as the fact that casting Omnath with a fetch out is better against control than casting atarka). With what we know now, I think Atarka is better, but there are a lot of cards left, and the format really hasn't even completely settled from Origins (a meta that is far from solved will likely change in unexpected ways even if a new set is relatively weak, which BFZ probably will not be)
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Too much synergy already exists for this card not to be a competitive curve topper. Zendikar's Roil pumps out Elementals. Animists Awakening helps with the ramp/token gen. He's best in a Jund topper to run Languish to turn those 2/2's into bolts to the face. As mentioned, creature ramp is being replaced with rampant growth-style ramp.
PS. the Blitz has errata that makes the tokens Elemental Cats FYI.
Never noticed that errata. That makes that card rather absurd in that situation.