Thing is, I think WotC would be aware of that, on some level.
They've shown in the past that they can increase the amount of printing for that product, and it would be a massive undertaking to snatch up a product that large in scale.
It could happen. I have almost zero expectation of it, but it could.
WotC basically admitted that putting True Name Nemesis in C13 was not a good idea and congratulated themselves with the anti cheat priest in C14 as being mich better because it was a sideboard card
Them printing enemy fetches for C15 would mean they unlearned a valuable lesson they publicly stated was learned
The problem wasn't True Name Nemesis. The problem was that TNN made the other 4 decks suck in comparison because they didn't have a standout card like TNN. If each of the 5 decks has an enemy fetch....then it's all good.
It just seems counterproductive to print them in a precon product considering what they just announced
WotC wants people to buy Battle for Zendikar boosters, puttin enemy fetches in C15 works against that
The target audience for these "promos" is similar to the target audience for FTV, and the target audience for regular fetches would be similar to the target audience for MM2.
I think the Innistrad checklands are much more likely than the Fetches. They are a little high for no reason.
there's literally zero reason not to print both, since mana fixing in enemy colors is fairly non-existent. There'll only be around 6 dual colored lands per deck, command tower, opal palace, and then random filler such as the vivids, rupture spire, ect.
I see a lot of basics in each deck just because there aren't that many non-rare enemy duals. I could also see some of the less powerful lands being printed as uncommons here, the filters for example aren't really played in anything and aren't particularly good.
I think the Innistrad checklands are much more likely than the Fetches. They are a little high for no reason.
there's literally zero reason not to print both, since mana fixing in enemy colors is fairly non-existent. There'll only be around 6 dual colored lands per deck, command tower, opal palace, and then random filler such as the vivids, rupture spire, ect.
I see a lot of basics in each deck just because there aren't that many non-rare enemy duals. I could also see some of the less powerful lands being printed as uncommons here, the filters for example aren't really played in anything and aren't particularly good.
Except they've never reprinted the "real" fetchlands. We'll see stuff like Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse and maybe the Mirage tap-fetches but not the ONS-ZEN ones. They want these to be "budget" so they can be a starter product into Commander. Putting cards that are needed for Modern or Legacy in there defeats the purpose and inflates prices.
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Sooo, are we getting any previews for Commander 2015?
Probably not until BFZ is released. They wouldn't want to steal any thunder from it (or C15) by spoiling both of them at the same time.
And now I have officially stopped carrying about this PAX event. FIrst they blow money on eldrazi sculptures rather than giving me back player rewards schemes or alt-art prerelease promos. Then they dedicate three days to one set, one standard set. Literally one set. For the past two years we got commander news at comic con. Now they leave us with nada. Fantastic.
Agreed. I was expecting at least one new Legendary to start speculation.
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Eventide filters definitely seem plausible, especially if we get a lot of hybrid goodies in the lists. Some of them can get a little pricy, but none are anywhere close to the ZEN fetches. I'm not exaggerating or lying when I say some ZEN fetches go for 3-4 times the price of a comparable filterland; Scalding Tarn is over $80 on StarCity. MM3 is a better place to reprint the ZEN fetches, leave C15 alone.
GTC shocks are also surprisingly accessible, even the Guildpact prints go for less than $16 on StarCity. INN checks are also highly accessible, THS Temples even more so.
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MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I think the Innistrad checklands are much more likely than the Fetches. They are a little high for no reason.
there's literally zero reason not to print both, since mana fixing in enemy colors is fairly non-existent. There'll only be around 6 dual colored lands per deck, command tower, opal palace, and then random filler such as the vivids, rupture spire, ect.
I see a lot of basics in each deck just because there aren't that many non-rare enemy duals. I could also see some of the less powerful lands being printed as uncommons here, the filters for example aren't really played in anything and aren't particularly good.
Except they've never reprinted the "real" fetchlands. We'll see stuff like Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse and maybe the Mirage tap-fetches but not the ONS-ZEN ones. They want these to be "budget" so they can be a starter product into Commander. Putting cards that are needed for Modern or Legacy in there defeats the purpose and inflates prices.
The problem being that enemy colored mirage fetches don't exist. You're also forgetting that this isn't limited print run, he cost may be up there for a while at local gaming stores who are looking to make as much profit as possible off of these, but the big box stores like Walmart and the like will still have them for $30, or whatever msrp is. It won't be nearly as bad as it was with truename, because all of the decks have one, the stores won't be immediately selling out of one specific deck and stuck with four that don't sell.
I wonder if one of the BW legends is Ihsan from right before his fall and change into Ihsan's Shade. That could make an interesting Knight Legend.
I also wonder if the nonartifact-based UR legend would add spell mastery to spells that lack it; a gold spell mastery spell seems likely, too. Academy Ruins would be a viable reprint for a UR artifact deck. I wonder if Trinket Mage or Treasure Mage packages would be likely.
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Sooo, are we getting any previews for Commander 2015?
Probably not until BFZ is released. They wouldn't want to steal any thunder from it (or C15) by spoiling both of them at the same time.
And now I have officially stopped carrying about this PAX event. FIrst they blow money on eldrazi sculptures rather than giving me back player rewards schemes or alt-art prerelease promos. Then they dedicate three days to one set, one standard set. Literally one set. For the past two years we got commander news at comic con. Now they leave us with nada. Fantastic.
Sooo, are we getting any previews for Commander 2015?
Probably not until BFZ is released. They wouldn't want to steal any thunder from it (or C15) by spoiling both of them at the same time.
And now I have officially stopped carrying about this PAX event. FIrst they blow money on eldrazi sculptures rather than giving me back player rewards schemes or alt-art prerelease promos. Then they dedicate three days to one set, one standard set. Literally one set. For the past two years we got commander news at comic con. Now they leave us with nada. Fantastic.
Agreed. I was expecting at least one new Legendary to start speculation.
vijard asked: Why haven't we seen any spoilers for Commander 2015 at ComicCon or PAX? Last year we saw some at both. This year, nothing. To be honest, it is a bit of a let down.
We’ve chosen to be more focused this year on the next thing.
So it looks like we will be waiting until after BfZ releases. To be honest, I really liked the format last year. I didn't feel that it robbed Khans or C14 of any thunder. Each had their own really cool thing, Wedges and PW commanders respectively, so even though they shared the stage they each shined.
Sooo, are we getting any previews for Commander 2015?
Probably not until BFZ is released. They wouldn't want to steal any thunder from it (or C15) by spoiling both of them at the same time.
And now I have officially stopped carrying about this PAX event. FIrst they blow money on eldrazi sculptures rather than giving me back player rewards schemes or alt-art prerelease promos. Then they dedicate three days to one set, one standard set. Literally one set. For the past two years we got commander news at comic con. Now they leave us with nada. Fantastic.
Agreed. I was expecting at least one new Legendary to start speculation.
vijard asked: Why haven't we seen any spoilers for Commander 2015 at ComicCon or PAX? Last year we saw some at both. This year, nothing. To be honest, it is a bit of a let down.
We’ve chosen to be more focused this year on the next thing.
So it looks like we will be waiting until after BfZ releases. To be honest, I really liked the format last year. I didn't feel that it robbed Khans or C14 of any thunder. Each had their own really cool thing, Wedges and PW commanders respectively, so even though they shared the stage they each shined.
Oh well.
While you may not have thought it stole thunder from either product, they pay people lots of money to determine how to roll out and announce items. I'm guessing they know what they are doing.
While you may not have thought it stole thunder from either product, they pay people lots of money to determine how to roll out and announce items. I'm guessing they know what they are doing.
Having a job doesn't automatically make people good at something, nor does it mean they can't make mistakes. These same people hired Wil Weaton. Clearly, they DON'T know what they're doing.
There isn't necessarily a simple, universal good here either. My interests and the interests of many other players aren't the same as the WotC's interests as a corporation, though they made overlap at certain points.
While you may not have thought it stole thunder from either product, they pay people lots of money to determine how to roll out and announce items. I'm guessing they know what they are doing.
Having a job doesn't automatically make people good at something, nor does it mean they can't make mistakes. These same people hired Wil Weaton. Clearly, they DON'T know what they're doing.
When it comes to guessing who is better at marketing, a random MTGS forum poster or a person with a marketing degree who works for a multi-national corporation, I'm going to go with the latter. Also, Wil Wheaton was awesome.
This.
I really hope they get him for every panel from now on.
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Huey, Dewey and Louie are always dressed in RUG. it is CLEARLY going to be the wedges block Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
I can't stand his forced over-enthusiasm on TableTop, I couldn't stand it in BfZ night. Watching him pretend to ooze enthusiasm over each card was painful.
The problem wasn't True Name Nemesis. The problem was that TNN made the other 4 decks suck in comparison because they didn't have a standout card like TNN. If each of the 5 decks has an enemy fetch....then it's all good.
Not in C15
Iona was reprinted in FTV Angels and MM2 nearly back to back. Enemy fetches in one product has no impact on enemy fetches in another product.
(I don't think C15 is that product though)
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WotC wants people to buy Battle for Zendikar boosters, puttin enemy fetches in C15 works against that
The target audience for these "promos" is similar to the target audience for FTV, and the target audience for regular fetches would be similar to the target audience for MM2.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
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13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
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I see a lot of basics in each deck just because there aren't that many non-rare enemy duals. I could also see some of the less powerful lands being printed as uncommons here, the filters for example aren't really played in anything and aren't particularly good.
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Except they've never reprinted the "real" fetchlands. We'll see stuff like Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse and maybe the Mirage tap-fetches but not the ONS-ZEN ones. They want these to be "budget" so they can be a starter product into Commander. Putting cards that are needed for Modern or Legacy in there defeats the purpose and inflates prices.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
Probably not until BFZ is released. They wouldn't want to steal any thunder from it (or C15) by spoiling both of them at the same time.
Agreed. I was expecting at least one new Legendary to start speculation.
Legendary: 1088 / 1208.
Planeswalkers: 182 / 226.
(16/03/2017)
Also, casual and semi-competitive Commander player \m/
GTC shocks are also surprisingly accessible, even the Guildpact prints go for less than $16 on StarCity. INN checks are also highly accessible, THS Temples even more so.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I also wonder if the nonartifact-based UR legend would add spell mastery to spells that lack it; a gold spell mastery spell seems likely, too. Academy Ruins would be a viable reprint for a UR artifact deck. I wonder if Trinket Mage or Treasure Mage packages would be likely.
Cheers!
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Yeah, that would be awesome. I doubt they'll do it, but I would be strongly in support.
Do you realize how entitled you sound?
Modern
UBR Grixis Control
U Merfolk
Pauper
U Mono U Delver
Ancestral Visions is freed
So it looks like we will be waiting until after BfZ releases. To be honest, I really liked the format last year. I didn't feel that it robbed Khans or C14 of any thunder. Each had their own really cool thing, Wedges and PW commanders respectively, so even though they shared the stage they each shined.
Oh well.
URArjun, the Shifting FlameRU
While you may not have thought it stole thunder from either product, they pay people lots of money to determine how to roll out and announce items. I'm guessing they know what they are doing.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
When it comes to guessing who is better at marketing, a random MTGS forum poster or a person with a marketing degree who works for a multi-national corporation, I'm going to go with the latter. Also, Wil Wheaton was awesome.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
This.
I really hope they get him for every panel from now on.
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
I can't stand his forced over-enthusiasm on TableTop, I couldn't stand it in BfZ night. Watching him pretend to ooze enthusiasm over each card was painful.