Here are my predictions for the remaining commanders
2RU
Legendary creature - Human Wizard
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery, you get an experience counter.
TAP:Remove an experience counter from yourself. Target spell in your graveyard gains flashback.
2/2
3GB
Legendary creature - Elf Shaman
Deathtouch
Whenever a creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
XGB, TAP:Remove X experience counters from yourself, return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
1/2
GU
Legendary creature - Merfolk Rogue
Hexproof
Whenever you cast ~, you get an experience counter.
Aura cards you cast cost 1 less for every experience counter you have.
1/1
4BW
Legendary creature - Vampire Cleric
Flying, Lifelink
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to an opponent, you get an experience counter.
At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent loses X life and you gain that much life.
X is equal to the number of experience counters you have.
4/4
Clearly i dont have all the wording just right, and im not creative enough to give them names but i think theyd all be pretty fun.
Not one of these sound fun. And the GU one sounds oppressive in 1v1 EDH.
Id say the g/b as 3 mana elf zombie lord . Zombies and elves you control get +1/+1 for each experiance counter.
R/u seems reasonable prolly a 2/3 flying wizard?
G/u will prolly be clone based though. Prolly be hexproof with enters the battlefield with a copy of target creature you control for each experiance counter.
B/W will prolly be a vampire that enter with a 2/2 vampire for each xp counter.
I will eat an expedition land if any of the commanders has unconditional hexproof. It just seems so unlikely.
I will eat an expedition land if any of the commanders has unconditional hexproof. It just seems so unlikely.
I agree. But if it does happen get it on video and post up here. Arid Mesa can make a hearty meal.
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Reading all these grandiose and niche predictions just makes me happy with how let down some of you will be. It also makes me happy knowing so many of these bad ideas won't be in there.
I will eat an expedition land if any of the commanders has unconditional hexproof. It just seems so unlikely.
Let me guess, you're a voltron player too? I know the pain. I'd like a commander that's indestructible and hexproof for under 3 mana. It could be a 0/1 creature for all that I care, just wait until you see how many swords it can carry.
Maybe it has been said and i missed it, but why meet halfway between infect and no infect, and have a whither general, or deck based on it. You get enough "infect feel" without the obvious huge win con of poison. I could see that as B/G. By the way today my buddy used chandra's ignition on a whither creature and gave us a boardwhipe that i wasn't upset about at all (even though it knock me out of the game before it got back to my turn) because seeing someone attack with his previously giant green creature the next turn for 2-3 damage just had a nice flavor to it for me.
Reading all these grandiose and niche predictions just makes me happy with how let down some of you will be. It also makes me happy knowing so many of these bad ideas won't be in there.
Yeah, if there's anything that people should take pleasure in, it's the disappointment of others.
Yeah, if there's anything that people should take pleasure in, it's the disappointment of others.
Sounds like someone needs to look up schadenfreude. Whether it's right or wrong, I've found that the Magic community comes up thousands of ways to ruin Magic on a daily basis. An Infect Commandeer pre-con, while very low on the list, is definitely one of those ideas.
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Reading all these grandiose and niche predictions just makes me happy with how let down some of you will be. It also makes me happy knowing so many of these bad ideas won't be in there.
Yeah, if there's anything that people should take pleasure in, it's the disappointment of others.
Since a considerable number of users on this website do nothing but ***** and moan about the state of the game, card prices and new sets being garbage
Yes, taking pleasure in that crowd being disappointed makes a lot sense
Meanwhile, I prefer to ignore the naysayers and whiners (at least when I'm not providing counterpoints) and focus on what makes the game great: HAVING FUN! And flexing my creativity.
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MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Or we could just sit back and wait for a bit. All we know are experience counters and Kalemne, and any "speculation" seems to be more like "desperate wishing" to me. So why not simply wait just one week before we get more info?
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Maybe it has been said and i missed it, but why meet halfway between infect and no infect, and have a whither general, or deck based on it. You get enough "infect feel" without the obvious huge win con of poison. I could see that as B/G. By the way today my buddy used chandra's ignition on a whither creature and gave us a boardwhipe that i wasn't upset about at all (even though it knock me out of the game before it got back to my turn) because seeing someone attack with his previously giant green creature the next turn for 2-3 damage just had a nice flavor to it for me.
'Why not skip the thing you want and instead get this other thing that doesn't matter?'
Um thanks, yes it has been suggested, no it isn't what the infect crowd wants, no it isn't a compromise. I want each color combo to get a general that supports starts that color combo already supports but which no legend currently exists for in those colors.
UR needs an artifact legend.
WB needs an enchantment (voltron) legend.
BG needs a poison legend, something with infect is the most obvious but not only choice.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
"BG needs a poison legend, something with infect is the most obvious but not only choice"
They want to bring in new Commander players with these products not run them off. Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics. Hell I use Inkmoth in Affinity but lets face it people generally do not like the mechanic and it will not be in this type of set.
Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics.
First, infect is part of poison, that phrase is just odd to me... But it is also not true. Infect is a very polarizing mechanic, people that like it LIKE IT, those that don't DON'T.
Poison on the other hand was VERY loved, despite being nothing near powerful for the longest time.
I understand that you don't like it, but that doesn't make it unpopular. And it can't go anywhere else, if they are going to print a BG legend for the infect deck it needs to be in the commander set. It can't go in standard because 'infect is too hard to balance for standard and keep meaningful.' And something like conspiracy would need to have it as a major theme, while commander could get away with one legend and few other cards.
As for a proliferate legend, that seems more GU to me, and I expect it.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics.
First, infect is part of poison, that phrase is just odd to me...
Why would that be odd Infect and Poison are not the same as in Infect gives out -1/-1 instead of damage to blockers while poison does damage??? I have played since Ice Age and have never seen Poison as being really popular as a mechanic. Sure Infect made poison damage viable for the 1st time but it was still a polarizing mechanic. I never said my opinion on the mechanics just said they would not be a part of commander. My guess is B/G goes back to Dredge or other Graveyard shenanigans.
Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics.
First, infect is part of poison, that phrase is just odd to me...
Why would that be odd Infect and Poison are not the same as in Infect gives out -1/-1 instead of damage to blockers while poison does damage??? I have played since Ice Age and have never seen Poison as being really popular as a mechanic. Sure Infect made poison damage viable for the 1st time but it was still a polarizing mechanic. I never said my opinion on the mechanics just said they would not be a part of commander. My guess is B/G goes back to Dredge or other Graveyard shenanigans.
You did state your opinion, you said infect and poison were unpopular. That isn't true, around three years ago infect was rated a 2 on the storm scale (will come back).
Development is currently down on infect because it is hard to make good enough to matter and not too good for standard, but it was popular.
That said it was very polarizing and those who don't like it (like you) complain loudly about it. Those who do like it (me for example) defend it and ask for more. Overall it favors those who like it (or it did for the two years after it came out and then some).
Edit: I don't think you are lying, I think you have heard lots of people complain about infect and think it is unpopular. But you are stating your opinion and repeating the opinion of others you agreed with. The facts are that it was beloved and behated but overall successful and highly rated for possible return.
(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics.
I guess that is why Tom Ross won the Star City Games legacy open with his Infect deck on Sunday. And he has won Modern tourneys with it in the past as well. I'll take "unpopular" and the cash every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Infect is currently higher on the storm scale for standard developmental reasons, but for player reactions and such it is a 2 or 3... It can appear in sets like commander.
(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Infect is currently higher on the storm scale for standard developmental reasons, but for player reactions and such it is a 2 or 3... It can appear in sets like commander.
Hahaha. Yeah. Infect gets hate here, but what people (haters) seem to forget about is that it's terrible. I've tried building Infect enough time to know that it wins 100% of the time 2% of the time.
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i too was hoping for a pre-spoiler today like they have sometimes done in the past, we might still get something Wed or Fri but it is looking more and more like nothing before next Monday.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I will eat an expedition land if any of the commanders has unconditional hexproof. It just seems so unlikely.
I agree. But if it does happen get it on video and post up here. Arid Mesa can make a hearty meal.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
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Let me guess, you're a voltron player too? I know the pain. I'd like a commander that's indestructible and hexproof for under 3 mana. It could be a 0/1 creature for all that I care, just wait until you see how many swords it can carry.
Dear lord, so many dreadful ideas in one thread? This is even beyond "new set X is awful because I can't netdeck yet" threads
Yeah, if there's anything that people should take pleasure in, it's the disappointment of others.
GWU Bant Manifest - The Future Is Here. Or it will be at the end of turn. GWU
/it doesn't matter what the BG deck is. People will eat it up.
//it doesn't matter what the RW deck is. I will eat it up.
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Sounds like someone needs to look up schadenfreude. Whether it's right or wrong, I've found that the Magic community comes up thousands of ways to ruin Magic on a daily basis. An Infect Commandeer pre-con, while very low on the list, is definitely one of those ideas.
Since a considerable number of users on this website do nothing but ***** and moan about the state of the game, card prices and new sets being garbage
Yes, taking pleasure in that crowd being disappointed makes a lot sense
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Um thanks, yes it has been suggested, no it isn't what the infect crowd wants, no it isn't a compromise. I want each color combo to get a general that supports starts that color combo already supports but which no legend currently exists for in those colors.
UR needs an artifact legend.
WB needs an enchantment (voltron) legend.
BG needs a poison legend, something with infect is the most obvious but not only choice.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
They want to bring in new Commander players with these products not run them off. Infect and poison are both VERY unpopular mechanics. Hell I use Inkmoth in Affinity but lets face it people generally do not like the mechanic and it will not be in this type of set.
Poison on the other hand was VERY loved, despite being nothing near powerful for the longest time.
I understand that you don't like it, but that doesn't make it unpopular. And it can't go anywhere else, if they are going to print a BG legend for the infect deck it needs to be in the commander set. It can't go in standard because 'infect is too hard to balance for standard and keep meaningful.' And something like conspiracy would need to have it as a major theme, while commander could get away with one legend and few other cards.
As for a proliferate legend, that seems more GU to me, and I expect it.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Why would that be odd Infect and Poison are not the same as in Infect gives out -1/-1 instead of damage to blockers while poison does damage??? I have played since Ice Age and have never seen Poison as being really popular as a mechanic. Sure Infect made poison damage viable for the 1st time but it was still a polarizing mechanic. I never said my opinion on the mechanics just said they would not be a part of commander. My guess is B/G goes back to Dredge or other Graveyard shenanigans.
Development is currently down on infect because it is hard to make good enough to matter and not too good for standard, but it was popular.
That said it was very polarizing and those who don't like it (like you) complain loudly about it. Those who do like it (me for example) defend it and ask for more. Overall it favors those who like it (or it did for the two years after it came out and then some).
Edit: I don't think you are lying, I think you have heard lots of people complain about infect and think it is unpopular. But you are stating your opinion and repeating the opinion of others you agreed with. The facts are that it was beloved and behated but overall successful and highly rated for possible return.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I guess that is why Tom Ross won the Star City Games legacy open with his Infect deck on Sunday. And he has won Modern tourneys with it in the past as well. I'll take "unpopular" and the cash every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I'll stick with Ross' results.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/127118180398/so-out-of-the-two-of-the-most-hated-mechanics
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/94788233718/in-general-what-is-more-likely-to-see-a-reprint-a
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/76138375207/so-heres-the-thing-about-your-argument-that
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/76090691230/if-infect-was-barely-used-in-standard-why-would
MaRo (WotC) thinks a BG legendary infect helper should exist.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/127049035948/can-we-get-a-non-mono-black-legendary-creature
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/123623288228/hi-maro-my-birthday-was-two-days-ago-but-i-think
Is infect interactive? Yes yes it is.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/119507089388/my-first-question-was-mostly-critical-and-you-are
Infect is currently higher on the storm scale for standard developmental reasons, but for player reactions and such it is a 2 or 3... It can appear in sets like commander.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Hahaha. Yeah. Infect gets hate here, but what people (haters) seem to forget about is that it's terrible. I've tried building Infect enough time to know that it wins 100% of the time 2% of the time.
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An enigma as vexing as life itself.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags