The cheapest Tier 1 decks in Legacy(Omni-Tell/Death & Taxes) cost as much if not more than the most expensive Modern deck in general(Jund)
On top of that Modern has Burn and Affinity as Tier 1 decks which are 600 and 700-800 respectively. Something that you will never see in Legacy.
If you bothered to read my post, you'll notice (and in the article you linked does as well), is that most of the price of Legacy decks are from the dual lands. Outside of that, they're actually either cheaper, or in the same price capacity as other Modern T1 decks. Which is to say, you can play Legacy with shocklands if you wanted. The "problem" with Legacy IS the duals - not the card prices of the other 54+ cards in the deck, which are more often than not, cheaper than their Modern equivalents. That was my point - that the facade of Legacy being out of reach is just that, a facade. Swords to plowshares is cheaper than Path to Exile. Brainstorm is cheaper than Serum Visions. DTT is cheaper than Serum Visions (a good lord just lol).
The cheapest Tier 1 decks in Legacy(Omni-Tell/Death & Taxes) cost as much if not more than the most expensive Modern deck in general(Jund)
On top of that Modern has Burn and Affinity as Tier 1 decks which are 600 and 700-800 respectively. Something that you will never see in Legacy.
If you bothered to read my post, you'll notice (and in the article you linked does as well), is that most of the price of Legacy decks are from the dual lands. Outside of that, they're actually either cheaper, or in the same price capacity as other Modern T1 decks. Which is to say, you can play Legacy with shocklands if you wanted. The "problem" with Legacy IS the duals - not the card prices of the other 54+ cards in the deck, which are more often than not, cheaper than their Modern equivalents. That was my point - that the facade of Legacy being out of reach is just that, a facade. Swords to plowshares is cheaper than Path to Exile. Brainstorm is cheaper than Serum Visions. DTT is cheaper than Serum Visions (a good lord just lol).
The article says specifically that Legacy is still more expensive than Modern even without the duals.
That also doesn't change the fact that Legacy still has no real cheap Tier 1 decks ala Burn/Affinity.
The Legacy GPs have insane turn out in the U.S. and Japan.
Of course they do. If you only had the chance to attend one Magic tournament per year, you'd probably show up too.
So why would they get rid of them? They are looked forward to by lots of people, well-attended and well run.
Simple. New players aren't buying into the legacy format in the same way as modern or standard. What's currently driving legacy GP attendance is a core "old guard" who will jump at the chance to play legacy but are already invested.
It's what you'd call a stagnant playerbase. It's a format completely impenetrable to 99% of your average store-goers who would consider going along to a GP to play in a more competitive environment. Dropping what could effectively be the cost of a downpayment on a new car (or even a house), or the equivalent of a full 4 months' salary for someone on lower income on a legacy deck means it's basically unrealistic to expect people to buy into the format.
It should be cut off by wizards to the point where the tournament support reflects what the format actually is: a tiny part of magic, unrelated to current releases and played by a tiny elite of players who've either got old collections or extremely deep pockets.
That's silly. Legacy isn't actually that much more expensive than Modern these days. Similarly, there are a lot of new cards seeing play in Legacy like Dig Through Time and Monastery Mentor, so to say that Legacy doesn't have cross-appeal to new sets is ridiculous. If it wasn't for the dual-lands, Legacy prices would be nearly equal to Modern. In fact, Modern is so silly, that the best blue cantrip spell is over 10$, whereas in Legacy they're under a dollar. Green Sun is cheaper than Collected Company, etc. If you're going to make wild accusations the least you could do is provide some facts.
I get that you're defending the thing you like, but in this instance you're not going to get very far. Legacy IS more expensive than modern, in many more ways than just dual lands.
I traded off a handful of fairly fringe legacy playable cards recently, and was able to get the entire tier1 roster (and much of tier 2) in modern. The whole thing. Every card including sideboards.
Just reading and listening to people trying to buy or trade into legacy is to see a story of pain and expense. This isn't by any stretch an "accessible format". It's played by very few people worldwide (relative to the total magic playerbase at least), it's prohibitively expensive to buy into, the cards for the format aren't traded around very often (mostly because they are so expensive) and it's generally a stagnant format.
I'm not saying it isn't fun. It can be very fun. After all, it's still magic. But if you were wizards and you had to prioritise which formats to make your big high-profile events, it would be in the more accessible (and therefore necessarily more interesting to the average player) formats such as standard and modern.
The Legacy card pool is effectively "dead". There are only so many available cards, and more get lost/damaged every year, with collectors and players alike holding onto their cards like investments rather than play-pieces for trade. It can't support a growing playerbase, has only got more expensive as time has passed, and will only continue to become more prohibitive and elitist as time continues.
Like i said, for the good of the game, they have to cut back the premier events to the point where the number of legacy tournaments actually reflects the tiny proportion of people that play the format.
I understand that they've had good turnouts for legacy GPs recently. All this shows is that the "legacy guys" who have shelled out thousands for their decks are willing to go en-masse to the one legacy GP. It definitely does NOT showcase a healthy growing playerbase and good support for reprints or easy access.
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Since legacy is mostly played on a local level, having a top tier deck is not necessary to be competative. most locals make lots of mistakes in play and the tier 2 decks have good odds if you know your deck well. That said, there are a lot of cheap tier two legacy decks. And since legacy doesn't rotate, in the long run, it is cheaper than standard. Legacy could be huge with proper support. Outside of vintage, it is the best format.
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Since legacy is mostly played on a local level, having a top tier deck is not necessary to be competative. most locals make lots of mistakes in play and the tier 2 decks have good odds if you know your deck well. That said, there are a lot of cheap tier two legacy decks. And since legacy doesn't rotate, in the long run, it is cheaper than standard. Legacy could be huge with proper support. Outside of vintage, it is the best format.
That's a whole lot of opinion stated as if it was fact.
1) it couldn't be huge. More people get into the format and prices will hike up. There aren't enough cards to go around.
2) it isn't the "best" format. It may be your favourite but it isn't the best
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Since legacy is mostly played on a local level, having a top tier deck is not necessary to be competative. most locals make lots of mistakes in play and the tier 2 decks have good odds if you know your deck well. That said, there are a lot of cheap tier two legacy decks. And since legacy doesn't rotate, in the long run, it is cheaper than standard. Legacy could be huge with proper support. Outside of vintage, it is the best format.
That's a whole lot of opinion stated as if it was fact.
1) it couldn't be huge. More people get into the format and prices will hike up. There aren't enough cards to go around.
2) it isn't the "best" format. It may be your favourite but it isn't the best
My opinion as to it being the best is in fact an opinion, but it is a fact that It would be huge with support is valid. that support would be getting rid of the reserved list and reprinting staples. and the cost comment is also true.
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It's more or less known to many that Legacy GPs are "token" tourneys. I'm sure the turnout for side events will be immense; but that's the consequence of most GPs anyway.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The 3 GPs are held to accommodate the American, European and Japanese players? It's mainly to be fair to each major Magic region.
With the downsizing of GPs per year, the last thing we'll see is an increase in Legacy GPs.
I have heard people saying magic is bigger than it has ever been, so why would a small loss to legacy matter to SCG when they are making bank off standard and modern?
Legacy can be an expensive start up but if we had events you could start off with a deck like dredge, or burn, or belcher, and if you have modern burn there is no back breaking price barrier.
After winning these events and getting better cards/trade fodder you can decide where you want to go from there, upgrade to a mid-range priced deck like D&T or Elves.
Just a thought though.
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If you bothered to read my post, you'll notice (and in the article you linked does as well), is that most of the price of Legacy decks are from the dual lands. Outside of that, they're actually either cheaper, or in the same price capacity as other Modern T1 decks. Which is to say, you can play Legacy with shocklands if you wanted. The "problem" with Legacy IS the duals - not the card prices of the other 54+ cards in the deck, which are more often than not, cheaper than their Modern equivalents. That was my point - that the facade of Legacy being out of reach is just that, a facade. Swords to plowshares is cheaper than Path to Exile. Brainstorm is cheaper than Serum Visions. DTT is cheaper than Serum Visions (a good lord just lol).
The article says specifically that Legacy is still more expensive than Modern even without the duals.
That also doesn't change the fact that Legacy still has no real cheap Tier 1 decks ala Burn/Affinity.
I get that you're defending the thing you like, but in this instance you're not going to get very far. Legacy IS more expensive than modern, in many more ways than just dual lands.
I traded off a handful of fairly fringe legacy playable cards recently, and was able to get the entire tier1 roster (and much of tier 2) in modern. The whole thing. Every card including sideboards.
Just reading and listening to people trying to buy or trade into legacy is to see a story of pain and expense. This isn't by any stretch an "accessible format". It's played by very few people worldwide (relative to the total magic playerbase at least), it's prohibitively expensive to buy into, the cards for the format aren't traded around very often (mostly because they are so expensive) and it's generally a stagnant format.
I'm not saying it isn't fun. It can be very fun. After all, it's still magic. But if you were wizards and you had to prioritise which formats to make your big high-profile events, it would be in the more accessible (and therefore necessarily more interesting to the average player) formats such as standard and modern.
The Legacy card pool is effectively "dead". There are only so many available cards, and more get lost/damaged every year, with collectors and players alike holding onto their cards like investments rather than play-pieces for trade. It can't support a growing playerbase, has only got more expensive as time has passed, and will only continue to become more prohibitive and elitist as time continues.
Like i said, for the good of the game, they have to cut back the premier events to the point where the number of legacy tournaments actually reflects the tiny proportion of people that play the format.
I understand that they've had good turnouts for legacy GPs recently. All this shows is that the "legacy guys" who have shelled out thousands for their decks are willing to go en-masse to the one legacy GP. It definitely does NOT showcase a healthy growing playerbase and good support for reprints or easy access.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
That's a whole lot of opinion stated as if it was fact.
1) it couldn't be huge. More people get into the format and prices will hike up. There aren't enough cards to go around.
2) it isn't the "best" format. It may be your favourite but it isn't the best
My opinion as to it being the best is in fact an opinion, but it is a fact that It would be huge with support is valid. that support would be getting rid of the reserved list and reprinting staples. and the cost comment is also true.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The 3 GPs are held to accommodate the American, European and Japanese players? It's mainly to be fair to each major Magic region.
With the downsizing of GPs per year, the last thing we'll see is an increase in Legacy GPs.
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Legacy can be an expensive start up but if we had events you could start off with a deck like dredge, or burn, or belcher, and if you have modern burn there is no back breaking price barrier.
After winning these events and getting better cards/trade fodder you can decide where you want to go from there, upgrade to a mid-range priced deck like D&T or Elves.
Just a thought though.