I think the designers and developers at wizards are bright enough to know that there is a huge demand for full art lands and zendikar fetches. They're also bright enough to know that making a big deal about Zendikar without reprinting the things that are in high demand that people associate with Zendikar would cause a serious backlash in the MtG community. That would be like going back to Ravnica and not printing shock lands.
I actually hope BFZ doesn't have full art lands. We already have full arts showcasing Zendikar's landscape. If we get full arts in BFZ we'll be unlikely to get them again for years. Give another plane a chance at full art lands, I say!
I second that, i would want full art lands whitout hedrons and bizarre landscapes.
Let me rephrase then: Full arts are a Zendikar or an Un-set thing. Not a multiverse thing.
They are an art/design thing, not a setting thing. It is just an alternative way to show something that can be used anywhere they want. See: full art promos like Mardu Shadowspear.
I'd like full arts more on a new plane. Hedron-filled and floating landscapes were very nice the first time, but what about something different next time? The block after BFZ would be the perfect place, wherever it is.
I never said a lack of creativity. I said uninteresting flavor. The fetchlands are generic enough to be able to be printed in any block. Heck, every new set has people clamoring for fetches, Zendikar be damned. Things like shocklands unfortunately are very tied to the Ravnica plane so we'll never get new interesting lands in any Ravnica block and I think that is a shame.
Look what they did with the allied fetches. They got new art, flavor text and put into modern. Whether you like the new art or not, they got creative and put dead dragon bones in the art and brought some flavor to the Tarkir landscape. What if the odyssey fetches were THE Dominaria fetches? We still wouldn't have them in modern. The truth is that the allied fetches did a ton for dropping prices on enemy fetches. Modern Jund has a much better manabase because of it. It doesn't really need verdant catacombs reprinted yet.
We haven't even had a full year with the new fetches in modern.
The land has changed so much in Zendikar from the Eldrazi that a misty rainforest may now be a tainted wood. Obviously it won't be that because of the black matters theme of that card. But Wizards being Wizards will probably put enemy fetches into one of the Zendikar sets because of the perceived uproar by the players even if there is no reason to be irate about not including them.
Fetchlands were integral to numerous aspects of old Zendikar, specifically for triggering Landfall. They were meant to represent the shifting and volatile landscape of Zendikar, and did so VERY well. That alone gives them more of a "flavor feel via gameplay" than pretty much any other land from the original Zendikar barring the manlands and certain Eldrazi lands. I don't know why you're using shocklands as an example as their names are FAR more generic than you're giving them credit; nearly ANY plane can have an Overgrown Tomb, Steam Vents, or a Godless Shrine. It really doesn't take much creative stretching to see how they could extend those tropes into more generic sets.
But do you know WHY they chose to bring the shocks back in that set specifically? Because they were a much loved part of the original set, made sense in the flavor of the block, and were in dire need of a reprint.
Guess how many of those criteria the ZEN fetches share with BFZ? Hm, somewhere around ALL OF THEM.
I don't know why you'd bring the ONSLAUGHT (not ODYSSEY) fetchlands into this as their reprint has absolutely zero bearing on this barring the Standard environment. The prices of ZEN fetches as a result of ONS fetches being reprinted should have ZERO impact on them being reprinted, and you also conveniently fail to take into account that a sizable portion of the price drop was after the announcement of BFZ.
So while your reasoning as to why the ZEN fetches shouldn't be reprinted is cute, none of it holds water, and there is no reason to not reprint them barring their possible effects on Standard, which I don't see being problematic.
With painlands in Origins, I seriously doubt we will see all 10 fetchlands in Standard. I'd say we're more likely to see the manlands + a new set of enemy color counterparts (to replace the 10 temples rotating out).
Spec aside, this definitely looks like a basic land, and I'm pretty sure even if it turned out to be full art, WoTC wouldn't spoil that just yet. The art could be cropped to the standard size.
The truth is that the allied fetches did a ton for dropping prices on enemy fetches. Modern Jund has a much better manabase because of it. It doesn't really need verdant catacombs reprinted yet.
We haven't even had a full year with the new fetches in modern.
The prices of ZEN fetches as a result of ONS fetches being reprinted should have ZERO impact on them being reprinted, and you also conveniently fail to take into account that a sizable portion of the price drop was after the announcement of BFZ.
That's simply not true. Look at fetchland historical prices on mtg goldfish. The ZEN fetchlands hit their high mark around March 2014. Interestingly, they proceeded to drop by 30% or so between the then and when KTK fetchlands were announced. They then proceeded to drop by another 30% or so between the announcement and after KTK was released. The BFZ announcement did very little to drop prices of fetchlands.
Something else to note. Shocklands were originally printed in 2005. They got a reprint seven years later in 2012.
Allied fetchlands were originally printed in 2002. Enemy fetchlands were printed seven years later in 2009. Allied fetchlands were printed again five years later in 2014. Reprinting enemy fetchlands again after only one year of the allied fetchland reprint seems unlikely if you look at the historical trend.
As I have stated before, I do not expect enemy fetches or full art lands in Battle for Zendikar.
The Zendikar from BFZ is not the Zendikar from the original Zendikar. It has been damaged and gnawed on by 3 Eldrazi for a number of years. The landscape has changed. I expect we'll see something in the second part of the set, but the first part is going to be pretty depressing.
Maybe I'll be wrong, but I would rather not see either in BFZ just because I think it is a bad move to always bring the same stuff back in the same blocks. It makes for uninteresting flavor if nothing ever changes.
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Besides, I wouldn't bet on the full cycle of fetches being standard legal all at once, they already said they weren't super thrilled with how 5 colour decks worked out with Shadowmoor/Alara
having the full cycle would do a poor job of enabling multi colour decks. You'd be forced into playing multiple basics in your deck and reduce the amount of coloured mana sources. Duals like RTR shocks and temples and trilands do a much better job at enabling multi colour decks. This is actually a big argument why the enemy fetches could be printed this fall - it's time to shift away from multicolour in standard again, and having access for fetches in place of temples would deincentivize going multi colour.
Having access to lands that fix your mana would de-incentivize playing multicolour because it isn't optimal due to the lack of shocks?
Yeah no
Fetchlands provide one color of mana in standard and force a deck to play basic lands. Adding the enemy colors would have no effect in the viability of five color strategies. Replacing the temples with fetches will likely make three color strategies more difficult (although the trilands will still do a lot of work in making them viable).
Exactly. We have not seen full-art lands in any normal set ever for over 20 years beside Zendikar. There was a very flavorful reason for the full-art lands in Zendikar. I doubt we'll see it outside Zendikar for some time.
"Nobody's gonna like landfall; we'd better make more full-art basics that people always want regardless of setting so they'll buy the packs anyways. Also we'll destroy the plane in the third set so we don't have to do this stupid land theme Maro wants any longer than we have to."
Yeah, super flavorful...
The only connection the full-art basics had to the flavor of Zendikar was to soften the blow of the land theme they thought was gonna be a flop. It's silly to assume a return to Zendikar will feature full-art basics for several reasons:
#1: Zendikar doesn't have a land theme anymore. The last time we visited the plane was Rise of the Eldrazi. No land theme because no one is exploring the land because they're busy trying to survive eldritch horrors. Guess what the focus of BFZ is gonna be. Fighting those same eldritch horrors. Sure, they got backlash for not having the set mesh with the rest of the block, but that honestly should have and would have been done with things like Allies, not lands. I'll concede that they'll probably have an element of a land theme in BFZ to quell people like you, but it will not be the focus of the block.
#2: Of all the possible themes BFZ could have, Wizards knows that players want them. More Eldrazi? People want it. Possible colorless matters? People want it. Possible land theme? People want it. Possible fetchland reprint? People want it. Return to Zendikar? People want it. Where's the risk in sales to necessitate a pack mover like full-art basics?
#3: All that "wild and dangerous mana" you spuoted to be the reason for full-art basics... Guess where it is now? In the stomach of an Eldrazi titan. The whole point of them is that they consume a planes mana, turning it to ashy, barren wastes. Normal boring basics are the perfect way to show a decline in the splendor of the land.
#4: The Eldrazi and the hedrons were not the reason for the full-art basics. Want proof? Both the Eldrazi and the hedrons were simple background details in Zendikar and Worldwake, and neither became active until Rise of the Eldrazi which had normal basics. And ROE only had its own basics because it was drafted without the other two sets, which meant that Wizards could use those basics to show a shift in the setting. The biggest thing they, the last Zendikar basics we've seen, show is that they are no longer a focus, just normal lands with some dancing rocks on them.
Having access to lands that fix your mana would de-incentivize playing multicolour because it isn't optimal due to the lack of shocks?
Yeah no
Fetchlands provide one color of mana in standard and force a deck to play basic lands. Adding the enemy colors would have no effect in the viability of five color strategies. Replacing the temples with fetches will likely make three color strategies more difficult (although the trilands will still do a lot of work in making them viable).
It's much more about the payoff than it is about the setup costs for Constructed. Harder to pull off? Sure. Worth it? I think so but that will depend on the set.
I never said a lack of creativity. I said uninteresting flavor. The fetchlands are generic enough to be able to be printed in any block. Heck, every new set has people clamoring for fetches, Zendikar be damned. Things like shocklands unfortunately are very tied to the Ravnica plane so we'll never get new interesting lands in any Ravnica block and I think that is a shame.
Look what they did with the allied fetches. They got new art, flavor text and put into modern. Whether you like the new art or not, they got creative and put dead dragon bones in the art and brought some flavor to the Tarkir landscape. What if the odyssey fetches were THE Dominaria fetches? We still wouldn't have them in modern. The truth is that the allied fetches did a ton for dropping prices on enemy fetches. Modern Jund has a much better manabase because of it. It doesn't really need verdant catacombs reprinted yet.
We haven't even had a full year with the new fetches in modern.
The land has changed so much in Zendikar from the Eldrazi that a misty rainforest may now be a tainted wood. Obviously it won't be that because of the black matters theme of that card. But Wizards being Wizards will probably put enemy fetches into one of the Zendikar sets because of the perceived uproar by the players even if there is no reason to be irate about not including them.
Fetchlands were integral to numerous aspects of old Zendikar, specifically for triggering Landfall. They were meant to represent the shifting and volatile landscape of Zendikar, and did so VERY well. That alone gives them more of a "flavor feel via gameplay" than pretty much any other land from the original Zendikar barring the manlands and certain Eldrazi lands. I don't know why you're using shocklands as an example as their names are FAR more generic than you're giving them credit; nearly ANY plane can have an Overgrown Tomb, Steam Vents, or a Godless Shrine. It really doesn't take much creative stretching to see how they could extend those tropes into more generic sets.
But do you know WHY they chose to bring the shocks back in that set specifically? Because they were a much loved part of the original set, made sense in the flavor of the block, and were in dire need of a reprint.
Guess how many of those criteria the ZEN fetches share with BFZ? Hm, somewhere around ALL OF THEM.
I don't know why you'd bring the ONSLAUGHT (not ODYSSEY) fetchlands into this as their reprint has absolutely zero bearing on this barring the Standard environment. The prices of ZEN fetches as a result of ONS fetches being reprinted should have ZERO impact on them being reprinted, and you also conveniently fail to take into account that a sizable portion of the price drop was after the announcement of BFZ.
So while your reasoning as to why the ZEN fetches shouldn't be reprinted is cute, none of it holds water, and there is no reason to not reprint them barring their possible effects on Standard, which I don't see being problematic.
Maybe you should look at the prices of the Zen fetches and tell me how the Khans fetches didn't affect them...
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I honestly thought the majority of the Zendikar full art basics are ugly, I don't like the Hedrons or landmasses floating everywhere. I would like some non Hedron, non-floaty land full art basics. So I hope they don't print them in RtZ and print them in the next set so we can get something different.
Also Wizards and their "cycles" are pure crap, Wizards changes their minds all the time after telling the player base something totally different (Theros is Enchantment matters block!). With Wizards you NEED to see to believe.
Let me rephrase then: Full arts are a Zendikar or an Un-set thing. Not a multiverse thing.
How about instead of moving the goalposts you just show us where Wizards has stated full-art lands were specifically reflective of the situation on Zendikar? Plenty of planes, like Shandalar, have strong mana influence and vibrant natural settings; getting full art for the same plane repeatedly is wasteful.
Some Zendikar stuff will happen, but that isn't the focus, the Eldrazi and the battle against them is.
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I recently started collecting basic lands, and I'd just like to point out that full-art is not the only cool thing Wizards has done with lands. Champions of Kamigawa, Rise of the Eldrazi, and Scars of Mirrordin all had panoramic lands - if you laid out all the plains/forests/etc, you'd get one big image. They actually made it a six-across with Scars of Mirrordin and Mirrodin Besieged. I'm not invested one way or the other in full-arts returning for Battle for Zendikar, but I just (really, really humbly) wanted to remind people that it's not the only thing they could do to spice up lands for this or another set.
I also kind-of hope that we get full-art basics from a plane with more traditional land-art like Alara or Shadowmoor instead of yet another round of zendikar-lands.
Its probably verdant catacombs. Every high-profile reprint they do has deliberately worse art than before.
Also, could just be a basic land art.
I've yet to actually see a good argument in this thread one way or other about the reprint schedule, why or why not to bring back fulls/basics. It seems like it makes sense that they do it from precedent, and all the other arguments against are that 10 fetches in standard is undesirable or its not going to happen because x poster just doesn't like hedrons in their art and don' want to blow fullz on zen.
In all of the arts we have seen so far, the hedrons were "awaken", and in this picture there is one fallen hedron, like they were in ZEN before ROE, so I don't think this is a land from BFZ. It could be a basic swamp from Sweat, if the Eldrazi are defeated in BFZ.
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As I have stated before, I do not expect enemy fetches or full art lands in Battle for Zendikar.
The Zendikar from BFZ is not the Zendikar from the original Zendikar. It has been damaged and gnawed on by 3 Eldrazi for a number of years. The landscape has changed. I expect we'll see something in the second part of the set, but the first part is going to be pretty depressing.
Maybe I'll be wrong, but I would rather not see either in BFZ just because I think it is a bad move to always bring the same stuff back in the same blocks. It makes for uninteresting flavor if nothing ever changes.
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Besides, I wouldn't bet on the full cycle of fetches being standard legal all at once, they already said they weren't super thrilled with how 5 colour decks worked out with Shadowmoor/Alara
Here you clearly imply that having the ZEN fetches printed in BFZ would enable and incentivize playing 5 colour decks. It is assumable to the point of certainty that we will get some sort of dual lands in BFZ anyway, so it is clear that you implied that having ZEN fetches printed instead of some other dual lands would indeed make it easier than in the other case.
Having access to lands that fix your mana would de-incentivize playing multicolour because it isn't optimal due to the lack of shocks?
Yeah no
What part of this doesn't make sense to you? fetchlands are the worst kind of manafixing your deck could have if you are going to play multiple colours in your deck, since as I stated, it forces you to play basics in your deck. It is very difficult to meet the mana requirements that multicolour decks if you were forced to rely too heavily on fetchlands, since it would drastically reduce the overall amount of coloured mana sources in your deck.
naturally it is better to have fetches than to have no dual lands at all, but as stated above, this clearly isn't the case since we are bound to get some sort of duals in BFZ anyway. Hence if we are to move away from multicolour theme of Khans, it would only make sense to print ZEN fetches in BFZ in place of any other dual lands, since this would in fact make it harder to play multi colour decks.
Having access to lands that fix your mana would de-incentivize playing multicolour because it isn't optimal due to the lack of shocks?
Yeah no
Fetchlands provide one color of mana in standard and force a deck to play basic lands. Adding the enemy colors would have no effect in the viability of five color strategies. Replacing the temples with fetches will likely make three color strategies more difficult (although the trilands will still do a lot of work in making them viable).
It's much more about the payoff than it is about the setup costs for Constructed. Harder to pull off? Sure. Worth it? I think so but that will depend on the set.
here you are refuting your own argument - you're saying that in fact what dual lands are available isn't relevant to the question in hand. This is funny because you yourself originally brought up the importance of having good mana fixing, implying that having access to all fetches instead of ally fetches + some other half-cycle of duals would make it somehow easier to play multicolour decks. I think this is not a very stylish manner of saying your initial perception was incorrect.
I second that, i would want full art lands whitout hedrons and bizarre landscapes.
And judge promo, so full art are promos, zendikar and un-set... a lot of things to be...
They are an art/design thing, not a setting thing. It is just an alternative way to show something that can be used anywhere they want. See: full art promos like Mardu Shadowspear.
I'd like full arts more on a new plane. Hedron-filled and floating landscapes were very nice the first time, but what about something different next time? The block after BFZ would be the perfect place, wherever it is.
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Fetchlands were integral to numerous aspects of old Zendikar, specifically for triggering Landfall. They were meant to represent the shifting and volatile landscape of Zendikar, and did so VERY well. That alone gives them more of a "flavor feel via gameplay" than pretty much any other land from the original Zendikar barring the manlands and certain Eldrazi lands. I don't know why you're using shocklands as an example as their names are FAR more generic than you're giving them credit; nearly ANY plane can have an Overgrown Tomb, Steam Vents, or a Godless Shrine. It really doesn't take much creative stretching to see how they could extend those tropes into more generic sets.
But do you know WHY they chose to bring the shocks back in that set specifically? Because they were a much loved part of the original set, made sense in the flavor of the block, and were in dire need of a reprint.
Guess how many of those criteria the ZEN fetches share with BFZ? Hm, somewhere around ALL OF THEM.
I don't know why you'd bring the ONSLAUGHT (not ODYSSEY) fetchlands into this as their reprint has absolutely zero bearing on this barring the Standard environment. The prices of ZEN fetches as a result of ONS fetches being reprinted should have ZERO impact on them being reprinted, and you also conveniently fail to take into account that a sizable portion of the price drop was after the announcement of BFZ.
So while your reasoning as to why the ZEN fetches shouldn't be reprinted is cute, none of it holds water, and there is no reason to not reprint them barring their possible effects on Standard, which I don't see being problematic.
Spec aside, this definitely looks like a basic land, and I'm pretty sure even if it turned out to be full art, WoTC wouldn't spoil that just yet. The art could be cropped to the standard size.
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That's simply not true. Look at fetchland historical prices on mtg goldfish. The ZEN fetchlands hit their high mark around March 2014. Interestingly, they proceeded to drop by 30% or so between the then and when KTK fetchlands were announced. They then proceeded to drop by another 30% or so between the announcement and after KTK was released. The BFZ announcement did very little to drop prices of fetchlands.
Something else to note. Shocklands were originally printed in 2005. They got a reprint seven years later in 2012.
Allied fetchlands were originally printed in 2002. Enemy fetchlands were printed seven years later in 2009. Allied fetchlands were printed again five years later in 2014. Reprinting enemy fetchlands again after only one year of the allied fetchland reprint seems unlikely if you look at the historical trend.
having the full cycle would do a poor job of enabling multi colour decks. You'd be forced into playing multiple basics in your deck and reduce the amount of coloured mana sources. Duals like RTR shocks and temples and trilands do a much better job at enabling multi colour decks. This is actually a big argument why the enemy fetches could be printed this fall - it's time to shift away from multicolour in standard again, and having access for fetches in place of temples would deincentivize going multi colour.
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Fetchlands provide one color of mana in standard and force a deck to play basic lands. Adding the enemy colors would have no effect in the viability of five color strategies. Replacing the temples with fetches will likely make three color strategies more difficult (although the trilands will still do a lot of work in making them viable).
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"Nobody's gonna like landfall; we'd better make more full-art basics that people always want regardless of setting so they'll buy the packs anyways. Also we'll destroy the plane in the third set so we don't have to do this stupid land theme Maro wants any longer than we have to."
Yeah, super flavorful...
The only connection the full-art basics had to the flavor of Zendikar was to soften the blow of the land theme they thought was gonna be a flop. It's silly to assume a return to Zendikar will feature full-art basics for several reasons:
#1: Zendikar doesn't have a land theme anymore. The last time we visited the plane was Rise of the Eldrazi. No land theme because no one is exploring the land because they're busy trying to survive eldritch horrors. Guess what the focus of BFZ is gonna be. Fighting those same eldritch horrors. Sure, they got backlash for not having the set mesh with the rest of the block, but that honestly should have and would have been done with things like Allies, not lands. I'll concede that they'll probably have an element of a land theme in BFZ to quell people like you, but it will not be the focus of the block.
#2: Of all the possible themes BFZ could have, Wizards knows that players want them. More Eldrazi? People want it. Possible colorless matters? People want it. Possible land theme? People want it. Possible fetchland reprint? People want it. Return to Zendikar? People want it. Where's the risk in sales to necessitate a pack mover like full-art basics?
#3: All that "wild and dangerous mana" you spuoted to be the reason for full-art basics... Guess where it is now? In the stomach of an Eldrazi titan. The whole point of them is that they consume a planes mana, turning it to ashy, barren wastes. Normal boring basics are the perfect way to show a decline in the splendor of the land.
#4: The Eldrazi and the hedrons were not the reason for the full-art basics. Want proof? Both the Eldrazi and the hedrons were simple background details in Zendikar and Worldwake, and neither became active until Rise of the Eldrazi which had normal basics. And ROE only had its own basics because it was drafted without the other two sets, which meant that Wizards could use those basics to show a shift in the setting. The biggest thing they, the last Zendikar basics we've seen, show is that they are no longer a focus, just normal lands with some dancing rocks on them.
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It's much more about the payoff than it is about the setup costs for Constructed. Harder to pull off? Sure. Worth it? I think so but that will depend on the set.
Maybe you should look at the prices of the Zen fetches and tell me how the Khans fetches didn't affect them...
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Also Wizards and their "cycles" are pure crap, Wizards changes their minds all the time after telling the player base something totally different (Theros is Enchantment matters block!). With Wizards you NEED to see to believe.
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Some Zendikar stuff will happen, but that isn't the focus, the Eldrazi and the battle against them is.
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Also, could just be a basic land art.
I've yet to actually see a good argument in this thread one way or other about the reprint schedule, why or why not to bring back fulls/basics. It seems like it makes sense that they do it from precedent, and all the other arguments against are that 10 fetches in standard is undesirable or its not going to happen because x poster just doesn't like hedrons in their art and don' want to blow fullz on zen.
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Here you clearly imply that having the ZEN fetches printed in BFZ would enable and incentivize playing 5 colour decks. It is assumable to the point of certainty that we will get some sort of dual lands in BFZ anyway, so it is clear that you implied that having ZEN fetches printed instead of some other dual lands would indeed make it easier than in the other case.
What part of this doesn't make sense to you? fetchlands are the worst kind of manafixing your deck could have if you are going to play multiple colours in your deck, since as I stated, it forces you to play basics in your deck. It is very difficult to meet the mana requirements that multicolour decks if you were forced to rely too heavily on fetchlands, since it would drastically reduce the overall amount of coloured mana sources in your deck.
naturally it is better to have fetches than to have no dual lands at all, but as stated above, this clearly isn't the case since we are bound to get some sort of duals in BFZ anyway. Hence if we are to move away from multicolour theme of Khans, it would only make sense to print ZEN fetches in BFZ in place of any other dual lands, since this would in fact make it harder to play multi colour decks.
here you are refuting your own argument - you're saying that in fact what dual lands are available isn't relevant to the question in hand. This is funny because you yourself originally brought up the importance of having good mana fixing, implying that having access to all fetches instead of ally fetches + some other half-cycle of duals would make it somehow easier to play multicolour decks. I think this is not a very stylish manner of saying your initial perception was incorrect.
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