Lots of spellslinger cards in this set. I'm not sure what deck I'll toss this in (probably Melek or Narset EDH), but I'm sure I'll find a place for it. Sweet, fun card. It's a mana rock that also does things! I can get behind that.
I've been thinking about building a Melek deck, but now I feel like I have to, lol.
There's so much edh stuff in this set, they should put tip-cards into booster-packs referencing the format. Unique effect for a red-themed artifact, but 5 mana pushes it into the "unplayable except in edh or kitchen table" category.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I hope Warp World ends up in Standard with this card!
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There's so much edh stuff in this set, they should put tip-cards into booster-packs referencing the format. Unique effect for a red-themed artifact, but 5 mana pushes it into the "unplayable except in edh or kitchen table" category.
As much as I agree with there being a lot of fodder for EDH in Origins, I feel like we have an assortment of cards that actually can work within the current Standard meta despite being heavily costed or such. I feel more excited for this set than I did with the past couple sets, including MM.
Actually, they work pretty well in tandem, especially if you're using the Goggles to cast, say, Lightning Bolt. Who knew a couple Bolts could close the game so fast? And since you're running artifacts, why not run Galvanic Blast or Shrapnel Blast while you're at it? Voltaic Key untaps the Goggles, allowing you to effectively filter into red mana and copy the spell twice. I think I feel a decklist coming on...
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I kind of like this in red control. Double a Kolaghan's Command or Electrolyze and suddenly you're swimming in CA. Even doubling something like Lightning Bolt can be huge. Double Cruel Ultimatum and you win.
It's almost certainly too slow for the formats where those cards are legal, but I want to try it out anyway.
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Actually, they work pretty well in tandem, especially if you're using the Goggles to cast, say, Lightning Bolt. Who knew a couple Bolts could close the game so fast? And since you're running artifacts, why not run Galvanic Blast or Shrapnel Blast while you're at it? Voltaic Key untaps the Goggles, allowing you to effectively filter into red mana and copy the spell twice. I think I feel a decklist coming on...
Cool thing is that the turn you play it isn't necessarily all spent. Cast this, tap for red and double bolt? 5 mana for two bolts and this on the table seems good.
Of course, it has the problem of being a high cost card that would fit in a low curve deck, and that's awkward. Awesome for EDH and should find a spot in standard, and the coolness score is throygh the roof. Lots of fun and interesting cards in this set (I'd add "so far" but we should remember that the last ~100 cards are always limited fodder and junk, so let's save the outcry this one time please?)
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Just kinda throwing that out there, but copying Kolagahn's Command or Crackling Doom is pretty ridiculous. Even just copying a Hordeling Outburst is pretty silly. Doubling Revel of the Fallen God makes for a pretty legit win con...5 mana is a whole bunch to invest, but with some of the tempo/CA built into some of Standard's current spells, doubling them could rapidly push a game out of reach. Traditionally cards like this haven't worked, but traditionally we haven't had a format defined by its 6, 7, and 8 drop permanents.
Truth be told, in this mana hungry Standard, I just wanna be the guy that casts 2x Demolish > flip Den Protector > 2x Demolish next turn.
I wish Firemind's Foresight was a 6 CMC spell, then it would be right on curve. It becomes a tutor for 6 cards! That's OK, it still probably wouldn't be worth it, since I could just cast & copy something else that wins me the game then and there haha. Some of the commands would be really sweet to cast & copy off of this, though.
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Was good at 4, lets make it unplayable at 5. Good job team.
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Double Cruel Ultimatum.
Double Mob Rule for gain control of everything lol
Double up on Anger of the Gods to watch everything burn.
I'm more concerned that it might look more than a pair of goggles (look closer). They could have made it more Ray Ban-ish...
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As much as I agree with there being a lot of fodder for EDH in Origins, I feel like we have an assortment of cards that actually can work within the current Standard meta despite being heavily costed or such. I feel more excited for this set than I did with the past couple sets, including MM.
Actually, they work pretty well in tandem, especially if you're using the Goggles to cast, say, Lightning Bolt. Who knew a couple Bolts could close the game so fast? And since you're running artifacts, why not run Galvanic Blast or Shrapnel Blast while you're at it? Voltaic Key untaps the Goggles, allowing you to effectively filter into red mana and copy the spell twice. I think I feel a decklist coming on...
4 Memnite
4 Chief Engineer
4 Etherium Sculptor
4 Galvanic Blast
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Pyromancer's Gauntlet
3 Pyromancer's Goggles
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Great Furnace
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Steam Vents
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Otherwise plenty of EDH room to play.
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It would be kind of bananas to double a Jeskai Charm. 5 is a lot, but control could make it viable enough.
It's almost certainly too slow for the formats where those cards are legal, but I want to try it out anyway.
This won't work. Mob Rule is a modal card, so you choose the mode while casting and that mode gets copied when you copy the spell.
not too bad, but i think you should include at least 1 more 4-of burn spell. maybe -1 pyromancer's gauntlet, -1 Pyromancer's Goggles, -2 Chief Engineer and +4 Shrapnel Blast. i think as is it may just be too much utility and not enough burn.
Well Chain Veil is actually way more powerful than chandra's googles anyways
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this is one of those cards that are so cool it doesn't matter if it's powerful enough to constructed or not.
they actually managed to make a 5 CMC mana rock that makes people excited about it.
amazing
I'm in love.
hope this finds some kind of home, it's just to awesome to be a bulk mythic
Of course, it has the problem of being a high cost card that would fit in a low curve deck, and that's awkward. Awesome for EDH and should find a spot in standard, and the coolness score is throygh the roof. Lots of fun and interesting cards in this set (I'd add "so far" but we should remember that the last ~100 cards are always limited fodder and junk, so let's save the outcry this one time please?)
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Truth be told, in this mana hungry Standard, I just wanna be the guy that casts 2x Demolish > flip Den Protector > 2x Demolish next turn.