Since when is it Lightning bolts gameplan to hit a creature? And for 2 no less?? Waste your gas all day bolting my taxers.
Outside of burn? All of the time, and unlike thalia your getting upside to your mana investment. As was pointed out in the D &T thread, glowrider hasnt seen usage for a long time and flying wasnt going to change it.
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I think the card is getting underestimated. I play modern death and taxes and will definitely be running this card. Atleast in my meta there are a lot of snapcasters etc. While it cost 3 it's not named thalia which means you can push anger of the gods up to 5 mana. As long as you go thalia then this you don't have to worry about tempo loss. Also vial spends most of it's time at 3. All this being said I wouldn't run more than 2 copies another flyer won't hurt. In standard I just don't see it being that good. I suppose it can be a great sb card on the play but coming down on turn 3 is just too slow if you don't already have the tempo in your favor.
Disclamer: I play modern D&T not legacy. The card seems like overkill in legacy.
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The above is basically confirmed, except that Innistrad and Dominaria could easily be the other way round, seeing as Innistrad has always seemed WB. But just by process of elimination, the only blue color pair not taken by some other plane already is WU, since Liliana gets the UB plane (Lorwyn and Regatha are taken, leaving her with the two others), Ravnica is confirmed Simic, and Chandra gets the UR plane (which must be Kaladesh).
There's also no pattern as to home plane vs. first walk, seeing as Gideon and Chandra walked from an enemy-pair plane to an allied-pair plane, and Jace and Nissa walked from an ally-pair plane to an enemy-pair plane.
You're right. I initially thought Serra Angel in white and Tower Geist in blue meant something, but then I noticed that Jhessian Thief is a Bant blue card.
The thing about WB Innistrad is, WB does a good job of summing up the conflict on Innistrad, but what kind of WB gold card at uncommon are we going to expect to see coming from Innistrad? A Spirit? A UB Zombie card would be really easy to justify as coming from Innistrad, and the archetype's already been seeded with the blue and black Zombies in Origins.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Seems good. The body is acceptable and the ability can be very relevant. Nice to have this effect in Standard from time to time. I would be beyond surprised if it saw no play.
Since when is it Lightning bolts gameplan to hit a creature? And for 2 no less?? Waste your gas all day bolting my taxers.
Outside of burn? All of the time, and unlike thalia your getting upside to your mana investment. As was pointed out in the D &T thread, glowrider hasnt seen usage for a long time and flying wasnt going to change it.
Well, glow rider isn't modern legal, so possibly there's a reason for it not seeing play? So you're telling me a deck besides burn, everyone else will gladly pay 2 to nuke this creature, or as stated, a possible 3 with Thalia? Against aggro, poor, everything else, sign me up. If your not playing burn, you are more than likely living on your turn, therefore all non-creatures will cost an additional 1. It's a relevant effect with evasion, non-staple that sees play and will annoy most decks.
Great card overall D&T will probably do a plit with Thalia (I am going to initially try 3-3 Split) The 3 CMC isn't horrible since that is where we want our Vial to be anyways for flickerwispblade splicer etc... In standard it's a great tempo card for white decks and as mentioned by others works well with Archangel of Tithes. Even in limited it is a 2 power evasive creature that can slow down the opponent enough to win in the air (fits in UW Airforce One type of build) Magic is doing the best they can to bring back a lot of the original decks with orgins, white weenie, red goblins green elves etc....
Splitting this card with Thalia is not good. You want this card in addition, and Thalia needs to remain either 3-4 in D&T (probably 4). Dropping her on turn 2 on the play is insanely good, and on the draw it's pretty good. This card can replace 3-drops in D&T, where you want X number of dudes on 3 for curve + vial, but you don't want to push the curve up. If anything, D&T wants more playable 2 drops.
this card is nuts! play a 2/1, then thalia, they have to pay 1 more, turn 3 this, so pay 3 ( your entire turn) to play a Bolt...
Fun deck: thalias, this, agustin, phantasmal image...
Thus demonstrating that people have hiiiiighly divergent interpretations of "fun".
Indeed. Such a deck is amazing fun to pilot.
I can imagine it's not quite as enticing to play against, though.
Also, that deck needs Sakashima the Impostor. I mean, two Vryn Wingmares are fun, but two Grand Arbiters are even MORE fun. You know, that might actually be a modern deck I'd build...
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
In some ways this is better than Thalia. Thalia only gets to add 1. This can add 4 if you get all four out.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
WW as cost would have been cheaper and better for devotion
Yeah! Need as many W symbols as possible so you can...
Uh...
Uh...
Any ideas?
Nykthosing for a huge Secure the Wastes?
-shrug- I dunno, can't really think of anything else.
I'll be honest, I forgot secure the wastes, I was only thinking of Heliod tokens as a good Nykthos mana dump. Still, not nearly as strong as other colors' options. Also, this guy doesn't help with that plan at all. He adds 1 devotion, so 1 mana, but then adds an extra mana to the cost, so does nothing. Even WW he wouldn't be great with it. 2cmc would make him a LOT better though. (And he would need to be WW so not a strictly better Thalia in other formats)
WW as cost would have been cheaper and better for devotion
Yeah! Need as many W symbols as possible so you can...
Uh...
Uh...
Any ideas?
Nykthosing for a huge Secure the Wastes?
-shrug- I dunno, can't really think of anything else.
I'll be honest, I forgot secure the wastes, I was only thinking of Heliod tokens as a good Nykthos mana dump. Still, not nearly as strong as other colors' options. Also, this guy doesn't help with that plan at all. He adds 1 devotion, so 1 mana, but then adds an extra mana to the cost, so does nothing. Even WW he wouldn't be great with it. 2cmc would make him a LOT better though. (And he would need to be WW so not a strictly better Thalia in other formats)
Oh sure, I was just assuming we were talking WW in general. I don't think he would help a MWD deck that ran stuff like secure the wastes all that much, though, which I think is probably a different deck from WW
So I know this would only ever happen in the most magically of Christmas Lands but... I really want to cast a kicked rite of replication on this!
"What's that Mr? Your lightning bolt just became a strictly worse Ember shot?" Lol
If you didn't have the connecting picture, I would never have believed that card was real
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I get to watch worlds develop around me.
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
Outside of burn? All of the time, and unlike thalia your getting upside to your mana investment. As was pointed out in the D &T thread, glowrider hasnt seen usage for a long time and flying wasnt going to change it.
Maybe it's rented.
Yes, Magic used to have small angels. It was an error. So no, a 2/1 angel is not "perfect flavor".
Disclamer: I play modern D&T not legacy. The card seems like overkill in legacy.
You're right. I initially thought Serra Angel in white and Tower Geist in blue meant something, but then I noticed that Jhessian Thief is a Bant blue card.
The thing about WB Innistrad is, WB does a good job of summing up the conflict on Innistrad, but what kind of WB gold card at uncommon are we going to expect to see coming from Innistrad? A Spirit? A UB Zombie card would be really easy to justify as coming from Innistrad, and the archetype's already been seeded with the blue and black Zombies in Origins.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Well, glow rider isn't modern legal, so possibly there's a reason for it not seeing play? So you're telling me a deck besides burn, everyone else will gladly pay 2 to nuke this creature, or as stated, a possible 3 with Thalia? Against aggro, poor, everything else, sign me up. If your not playing burn, you are more than likely living on your turn, therefore all non-creatures will cost an additional 1. It's a relevant effect with evasion, non-staple that sees play and will annoy most decks.
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I would call it Mage-Punk Civil War. Similar to Kaladesh in that it is a more technological plane, but it has a more desolate, even dystopian feel.
Edit: meant to have a quote to reference Bolas' post
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
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Indeed. Such a deck is amazing fun to pilot.
I can imagine it's not quite as enticing to play against, though.
Also, that deck needs Sakashima the Impostor. I mean, two Vryn Wingmares are fun, but two Grand Arbiters are even MORE fun. You know, that might actually be a modern deck I'd build...
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
On phasing:
Yeah! Need as many W symbols as possible so you can...
Uh...
Uh...
Any ideas?
Nykthosing for a huge Secure the Wastes?
-shrug- I dunno, can't really think of anything else.
I'll be honest, I forgot secure the wastes, I was only thinking of Heliod tokens as a good Nykthos mana dump. Still, not nearly as strong as other colors' options. Also, this guy doesn't help with that plan at all. He adds 1 devotion, so 1 mana, but then adds an extra mana to the cost, so does nothing. Even WW he wouldn't be great with it. 2cmc would make him a LOT better though. (And he would need to be WW so not a strictly better Thalia in other formats)
Oh sure, I was just assuming we were talking WW in general. I don't think he would help a MWD deck that ran stuff like secure the wastes all that much, though, which I think is probably a different deck from WW
"What's that Mr? Your lightning bolt just became a strictly worse Ember shot?" Lol
If you didn't have the connecting picture, I would never have believed that card was real
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
Nykthosing for a bunch of Mastery of the Unseen activations.
2/2 would have been a fair bit better in Modern, where the card probably had the most potential.