It's awkward that Starfield of Nyx turns the tokens generated by Heliod, God of the Sun into 0/0s once you control five or more enchantments. It also shrinks Heliod if you have devotion.
Don't play them together?
Believe me, I will! I'm building an EDH deck based off Heliod, I play a total of 35 enchantments and the drawback is completely meaningless compared to the profits. This is SO MUCH MORE better and versatile than Opalescence. You still get to exile every creature and enchantments with Parallax Wave, BUT you can go under 5 enchantments if you need to in response to a board wipe. This is just too good to be true, honestly. I probably won't play Enduring Ideal and obviously not Enchanted Evening, but this card is total awesomeness.
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1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
I LOVE Starfield of Nyx. Beautiful card. I see Heliod and Erebos in the art, perhaps the scene when Heliod first banishes him to the Underworld? Anyway, what happens when you have Devotion a god, so they're a creature yet still an enchantment when Starfield becomes active? Does them being a creature override it and Thassa remains a 5/5, or will Starfield see her as an Enchantment, make her a creature at 3/3?
I feel like since she'd already be a creature at that point she'd be a 5/5 and unaffected, but if I lost Devotion to her and still had Starfield active, she'd continue being one at 3/3.
Then wrap your head around what happens with Heliods tokens, do they live or die?
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If an enchantment creature is turned into a creature (using Opalescence, for example), its printed power and toughness will be overwritten by the power and toughness defined by the animating effect. It will retain any supertypes and subtypes it may have had unless the animating effect specifically overwrites them.
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Depends if the God entered the battlefield after Opalescence or not. If the God entered before, it will be a creature with P/T = CMC. If the God enters after Opalescence-effect, then it's different, it will be a creature with P/T = CMC if devotion is met, or it won't be a creature if devotion isn't met. In every case, it won't be a God anymore.
My own rules when building a Commander deck:
1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
Hmm...it'll be exciting to see if Flameshadow Conjuring will just MAYBE push Temur Aggro into a deck. Just MAYBE. I just hope so, since I've always wanted to be able to play a Temur deck and have it be not just a weaker version of Abzan or Monored or any of that, and just maybe Flameshadow will do the trick.
I really don't like Starfield of Nyx. Yeah sure it animates enchantments. Besides Jeskai Ascendancy, exactly what enchantments are we playing that aren't already creatures? Seriously, this enchantment weakens the gods, which is a huge flavor fail, and most of the other enchantment creatures either will have very little change from this (Herald of Torment, Boon Satyr, Courser of Kruphix) or just don't see play at all. Yeah, yeah, recursion is nice and all, but it's not doing much for a turn 5 play.
Honored Hierarch is....not all that good, actually. Yeah, it ramps, sure, but....that's a lot of work to get to the bonus. It's like Inspired, in a way. Yeah, we get this turn one, then we have to swing into the danger zone with the 1/1 on turn 2, hope it survives, and finally on turn 3 we have a Vigilance 2/2 with mana ramp. Sylvan Caryatid and Elvish Mystic this is far from. Of course, if we don't get better mana ramp, I guess anything can look exciting.
Dark Petition is a thing, I guess. Sounds as weak as Liturgy of Blood was, but since we had cheaper removal spells in Standard and we don't really have cheaper tutor spells, that could make the difference. Still, this card only really activates around turn 4/5, depending on if we're playing Green or not with this, so it still is kinda slow. Who knows though, it is card advantage, and maybe I just don't get tutors and that lategame card search is exactly what the tutor is for.
Dark Petition will see play in EDH. It's basically Demonic Tutor once you have 5+ mana, which is still too conditional, but decent. I like the art, it's like Liliana is visiting demonic mall Santa and all the zombie kids are waiting for their turn.
Anyone having New World Order anxieties should be happy to see the wall of text that is Starfield Of Nyx, which will see play in teal deer tribal.
Starfield of Nyx seriously made me reconsider playing control at GP London and instead play constelation. Since recursion seems insane for enchantments.
After seeing tainted cure... I have never hoped so much for the grove of the burnwillows cycle to be completed. Please wizards... make it happen.
I wouldn't hold your breath- a complete cycle of these would turn Modern upside down.
Now, they certainly *can* reprint Grove of the Burnwillows itself...
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After seeing tainted cure... I have never hoped so much for the grove of the burnwillows cycle to be completed. Please wizards... make it happen.
I wouldn't hold your breath- a complete cycle of these would turn Modern upside down.
Now, they certainly *can* reprint Grove of the Burnwillows itself...
You're probably right. But these 'future shifted' cards had to come from somewhere. So let's say Grove of the Burnwillows was on Regatta. And they let the R/B one slip in that would be a way to ease a new one into modern. A time spiral like set of duals could be pretty flavorful for this block.
Scourge of Valkas Honored Hierarch: The moment I read the name, I thought "Hey, new Noble Hierarch!" Then I read it and thought "Even better!"
Do you think Honored hierarch is better than noble Hierarch?
No way, you have to attack with it before it can even tap for mana. So most of the time turn 3 would be the soonest you can use him as a manadork. So its far inferior to noble but he may have a place in a aggro deck. But I may be wrong i'm not always very good at estimating how good a card will be. Its sure to see some play in standard though, not sure about the eternal formats
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
I would like to point out that, at the very least, Priest of Urabrask is meant to be a nod to Priest of Gix, so that one doesn't really do all that much to hold up your point, since the original version was, in fact, a black card
I would like to point out that, at the very least, Priest of Urabrask is meant to be a nod to Priest of Gix, so that one doesn't really do all that much to hold up your point, since the original version was, in fact, a black card
That was when the effect WAS a black effect. They shifted that to red years before Priest of Urabrask. It being a nod to the original doesn't make it any less red. That's like saying Prodigal Pyromancer isn't red because Prodigal Sorcerer was blue.
Scourge of Valkas Honored Hierarch: The moment I read the name, I thought "Hey, new Noble Hierarch!" Then I read it and thought "Even better!"
Do you think Honored hierarch is better than noble Hierarch?
No way, you have to attack with it before it can even tap for mana. So most of the time turn 3 would be the soonest you can use him as a manadork. So its far inferior to noble but he may have a place in a aggro deck. But I may be wrong i'm not always very good at estimating how good a card will be. Its sure to see some play in standard though, not sure about the eternal formats
Did you just respond for someone else, or did you not see that someone else was quoted above? I sure as hell know the quality of the card. I was asking someone else since they seemed to state that one hierarch was better than the other...
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Dark Petition... This is all I see, "Search your library for Necropotence and put it on the battlefield." I don't have a problem with this.
Yup.
There's some amazingly powerful things you can do with BBB in Magic. Hell, in Standard this has the benefit of killing a creature or planeswalker with Hero's Downfall added on.
Tutors are usually bad because they cost you a ton of tempo not to gain any card advantage. This card gives you some of that tempo back. It could easily see play as a 1 of in Black control lists.
Believe me, I will! I'm building an EDH deck based off Heliod, I play a total of 35 enchantments and the drawback is completely meaningless compared to the profits. This is SO MUCH MORE better and versatile than Opalescence. You still get to exile every creature and enchantments with Parallax Wave, BUT you can go under 5 enchantments if you need to in response to a board wipe. This is just too good to be true, honestly. I probably won't play Enduring Ideal and obviously not Enchanted Evening, but this card is total awesomeness.
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My own rules when building a Commander deck:
1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
Then wrap your head around what happens with Heliods tokens, do they live or die?
Found this:
If an enchantment creature is turned into a creature (using Opalescence, for example), its printed power and toughness will be overwritten by the power and toughness defined by the animating effect. It will retain any supertypes and subtypes it may have had unless the animating effect specifically overwrites them.
from the release notes posted in this thread:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/513980-gods-and-opalescence.
So opalesc.... Starfield of Nyx seems to win out.
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Pauper decks:
My own rules when building a Commander deck:
1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
Once a deck has more than a certain threshold of enchantments in it, Dromoka's command is no longer good since it gives the choice of what to sack.
I can't wait to see Tainted Remedy in the occasional sideboard to beat up Siege Rhino and Sorin, Solemn Visitor. I'm just glad there isn't a deck like the old Trostani, Selesnya's Voice and Archangel of Thune combo or else that would be real ugly for them.
I really don't like Starfield of Nyx. Yeah sure it animates enchantments. Besides Jeskai Ascendancy, exactly what enchantments are we playing that aren't already creatures? Seriously, this enchantment weakens the gods, which is a huge flavor fail, and most of the other enchantment creatures either will have very little change from this (Herald of Torment, Boon Satyr, Courser of Kruphix) or just don't see play at all. Yeah, yeah, recursion is nice and all, but it's not doing much for a turn 5 play.
Honored Hierarch is....not all that good, actually. Yeah, it ramps, sure, but....that's a lot of work to get to the bonus. It's like Inspired, in a way. Yeah, we get this turn one, then we have to swing into the danger zone with the 1/1 on turn 2, hope it survives, and finally on turn 3 we have a Vigilance 2/2 with mana ramp. Sylvan Caryatid and Elvish Mystic this is far from. Of course, if we don't get better mana ramp, I guess anything can look exciting.
Dark Petition is a thing, I guess. Sounds as weak as Liturgy of Blood was, but since we had cheaper removal spells in Standard and we don't really have cheaper tutor spells, that could make the difference. Still, this card only really activates around turn 4/5, depending on if we're playing Green or not with this, so it still is kinda slow. Who knows though, it is card advantage, and maybe I just don't get tutors and that lategame card search is exactly what the tutor is for.
Dark Petition will see play in EDH. It's basically Demonic Tutor once you have 5+ mana, which is still too conditional, but decent. I like the art, it's like Liliana is visiting demonic mall Santa and all the zombie kids are waiting for their turn.
Anyone having New World Order anxieties should be happy to see the wall of text that is Starfield Of Nyx, which will see play in teal deer tribal.
I don't like Honored Hierarch, it's just too conditional.
Flameshadow Conjuring will see lots of casual EDH play. Blightsteel Colossus needs more friends, and Kukusho, The Evening Star is going to be abusing the legend rule for hilarity.
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I wouldn't hold your breath- a complete cycle of these would turn Modern upside down.
Now, they certainly *can* reprint Grove of the Burnwillows itself...
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Do you think Honored hierarch is better than noble Hierarch?
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No way, you have to attack with it before it can even tap for mana. So most of the time turn 3 would be the soonest you can use him as a manadork. So its far inferior to noble but he may have a place in a aggro deck. But I may be wrong i'm not always very good at estimating how good a card will be. Its sure to see some play in standard though, not sure about the eternal formats
Bounding Krasis unfortunately cannot untap/tap lands.
throw a Kiora's Follower into the mix
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I would like to point out that, at the very least, Priest of Urabrask is meant to be a nod to Priest of Gix, so that one doesn't really do all that much to hold up your point, since the original version was, in fact, a black card
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Did you just respond for someone else, or did you not see that someone else was quoted above? I sure as hell know the quality of the card. I was asking someone else since they seemed to state that one hierarch was better than the other...
Feel free to tell me yours!
Yup.
There's some amazingly powerful things you can do with BBB in Magic. Hell, in Standard this has the benefit of killing a creature or planeswalker with Hero's Downfall added on.
Tutors are usually bad because they cost you a ton of tempo not to gain any card advantage. This card gives you some of that tempo back. It could easily see play as a 1 of in Black control lists.