Much worse effect than Retalliate (which wasn't a good card), but if it comes with a great creature it might be OK.
Still, 5/5 isn't going to be a good enough body for Constructed and I don't see a monowhite non-angel creature being bigger than that.
Flash is odd in white (now, I know it was white during TSP block), but does make sense on this card.
Retaliate does not have a body.
does not block a creature
does not attack in the next turn.
I mean, how much do you think a Stoneforge Mystic that was a non creature artifact or a Dark Confidant that was an Enchantment instead of a creature would be worth?
I'm quite sure both would be MUCH less sought after of format defining if they weren't dudes.
you can't simply compare this card with Retaliate and ignore that it's a dude.. being a dude make those cards totally different animals.
And if this dude is 4/4 or higher it's on a completely different league in power when compared to Retaliate, it's not even close.
at 5/5 this dude would absolutely see play in standard, he'd be a house.
It's certainly not that big though.
If it is a 4/4 or bigger, it will probably see Standard play. If it is smaller than that, it will still be good in Limited, but it won't be constructed playable. If it is a 5/5 I might try it in WUR Flash in Modern.
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To the people that say that a card needs to be a higher rarity because of Limited... I hate you guys so much. I present to you with this.
Retaliate does not have a body.
does not block a creature
does not attack in the next turn.
I mean, how much do you think a Stoneforge Mystic that was a non creature artifact or a Dark Confidant that was an Enchantment instead of a creature would be worth?
I'm quite sure both would be MUCH less sought after of format defining if they weren't dudes.
you can't simply compare this card with Retaliate and ignore that it's a dude.. being a dude make those cards totally different animals.
And if this dude is 4/4 or higher it's on a completely different league in power when compared to Retaliate, it's not even close.
at 5/5 this dude would absolutely see play in standard, he'd be a house.
It's certainly not that big though.
I just need to say that while true of bob, misty would actually be much better as a non creature artifact so that she could tap the turn she came into play and being colorless would be insane but assuming keeping all else the same just removing the body misty would be so much more broken because her 1/2 body is almost never relevant sense the equipment she most often gets creates a body to wield it on its own.
Retaliate does not have a body.
does not block a creature
does not attack in the next turn.
I mean, how much do you think a Stoneforge Mystic that was a non creature artifact or a Dark Confidant that was an Enchantment instead of a creature would be worth?
I'm quite sure both would be MUCH less sought after of format defining if they weren't dudes.
you can't simply compare this card with Retaliate and ignore that it's a dude.. being a dude make those cards totally different animals.
And if this dude is 4/4 or higher it's on a completely different league in power when compared to Retaliate, it's not even close.
at 5/5 this dude would absolutely see play in standard, he'd be a house.
It's certainly not that big though.
I just need to say that while true of bob, misty would actually be much better as a non creature artifact so that she could tap the turn she came into play and being colorless would be insane but assuming keeping all else the same just removing the body misty would be so much more broken because her 1/2 body is almost never relevant sense the equipment she most often gets creates a body to wield it on its own.
Retaliate does not have a body.
does not block a creature
does not attack in the next turn.
I mean, how much do you think a Stoneforge Mystic that was a non creature artifact or a Dark Confidant that was an Enchantment instead of a creature would be worth?
I'm quite sure both would be MUCH less sought after of format defining if they weren't dudes.
you can't simply compare this card with Retaliate and ignore that it's a dude.. being a dude make those cards totally different animals.
And if this dude is 4/4 or higher it's on a completely different league in power when compared to Retaliate, it's not even close.
at 5/5 this dude would absolutely see play in standard, he'd be a house.
It's certainly not that big though.
I just need to say that while true of bob, misty would actually be much better as a non creature artifact so that she could tap the turn she came into play and being colorless would be insane but assuming keeping all else the same just removing the body misty would be so much more broken because her 1/2 body is almost never relevant sense the equipment she most often gets creates a body to wield it on its own.
Well, that's debatable at the very least.
if I count how many times my Stoneforge has rided the Sword it tutored for the win...
It's definitively not a 1 time thing.
also, she has bought awesome "tempo" by chumpblocking.
multiple times has attracted that creature removal and allowed something else to live.
Decks that run Stoneforge Mystic tends to run more tutors than targets, as a lot of those actually runs 4 mystics and only 2 or 3 equipments.
A non creature artifact that had the same abilities as stoneforge mystic would only be better at end game, as you'd actually have mana to drop and activate it in the same turn....
also, you'd need to have even more spare mana and an extra dude to equip.
that's not a likely scenario in legacy, which is the only format where the mystic is legal.
I mean, you'd need to have 6 mana to tutor up a sword, drop it and equip it to something.
or you'd just cast a Batterskull for 4, and while that's pretty awesome on itself, it's not that much better than, well... just casting Batterskull for 5.
Also, Mystic tends to get that Batterskull if you drop her on turn 2, any later and the chances of tutoring something else be a better idea tends to go up quickly.
on a vacuum, yeah, a non creature artifact for 1W that has the same abilities as Stoneforge Mystic could very well be a better card, but in a fast format like legacy where it's almost impossible you'll see any deck get to 6 mana (unless it's ramping like crazy, of course) before the game ends (or is at least with one of the players way ahead), it's highly likely that being a dude is a LOT more relevant than being able to enter the battlefield and activate right away.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Well, that's certainly more impressive than a 2/3 or even a 2/5. Let's consider of course that he's the guy who trained this guy. As a white creature, Gideon is pretty jacked; he had to get it from somewhere. "Now listen here, son. Just 'cause we're part of the color best known for big armies of small fries don't mean we can't be buff sunuvvaguns capable of wrestlin' Ogres and Giants one-on-one." Of course, Bant might have had part to do with that as well.
Theory time: The set not only includes ten monocolor legends, one for each plane, but each color's two legends are also the intro pack rares, with the intro packs representing each Planeswalker's journey from their home plane to the new plane. So we have Hixus from Theros and a white legend from Bant in the white deck for example.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Intro packs always come with an addtional rare aside from the foil one on the front and it could be that the other rare in that same intro pack is a white legend from bant
Card is now listed as a reprint on the spoilers page.
Yeah, that's due to a technical issue we can't fix at the moment, sorry. It's going to have to remain that way for now. Fortunately, I doubt many people will seriously think Hixus is a reprint...
this card took a jump for me. 4/4 flash for 5 is already pretty tasty. 4/4 flash for 5 that blocks rabblemaster and rfgs all of his tokens is much better.
Yes often times you would rather wrath when you are behind, and this isnt that great against etb effects, but Hixus can definitely swing a game, and ruin some combat math, while setting you up for an alpha strike. Its no Ojutai, but white control decks will like this. Non blue decks that rely on white will probably like it more than blue ones, as I could see this being a great effect in G/W. get to 7 mana with a den protector on the board, flip it and play Hixus, while bringing back a deathmist raptor or 2 sounds disgusting.
Being a 4/4 and being able to exile multiple creatures seems really good. I think he could see some play as a sideboard card at least, but then having to eat the damage before you can exile kinda sucks. It does give GW beatdown decks ways to deal with flyers though, and would be very good against tokens. He's looking like a very meta dependent card to say the least. Potential to be nuts, but I don't think that's likely.
Will be great in limited, at least.
EDIT: The fact that he can deal with Deathmist Raptor just as well as he deals with any other card is nice.
this card took a jump for me. 4/4 flash for 5 is already pretty tasty. 4/4 flash for 5 that blocks rabblemaster and rfgs all of his tokens is much better.
Just to make sure it's clear, if Hixus trades with the Rabblemaster (for instance if 2 or more other goblins attack) the tokens don't get exiled. Though they can't come back if they do get exiled for any length of time, if Hixus dies before his ability resolves, then no exile happens.
I don't see this guy being good in limited beyond a 4/4 body with flash. The ability is only ok. You'll maybe get 1 creature tops which is fine, but creatures die easier than enchantments do in limited (o-ring etc)
Retaliate does not have a body.
does not block a creature
does not attack in the next turn.
I mean, how much do you think a Stoneforge Mystic that was a non creature artifact or a Dark Confidant that was an Enchantment instead of a creature would be worth?
I'm quite sure both would be MUCH less sought after of format defining if they weren't dudes.
you can't simply compare this card with Retaliate and ignore that it's a dude.. being a dude make those cards totally different animals.
And if this dude is 4/4 or higher it's on a completely different league in power when compared to Retaliate, it's not even close.
at 5/5 this dude would absolutely see play in standard, he'd be a house.
It's certainly not that big though.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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I just need to say that while true of bob, misty would actually be much better as a non creature artifact so that she could tap the turn she came into play and being colorless would be insane but assuming keeping all else the same just removing the body misty would be so much more broken because her 1/2 body is almost never relevant sense the equipment she most often gets creates a body to wield it on its own.
Jitte?
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. . . . . . .
WBG Melira Pod GBWCommander - BR Olivia Voldaren RB Vampire Tribal
. . . . . . . . . WUB Sharuum the Hegemon BUW Not-Broken Artifact Midrange
. . . . . . . . . WUG Rafiq of the Many GUW Voltron
. . . . . . . . . . .UB Oona, Queen of the Fae BU No-combo Tempo-Mill
. . . . . . . . . WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic BUW Pillow Fort
Well, that's debatable at the very least.
if I count how many times my Stoneforge has rided the Sword it tutored for the win...
It's definitively not a 1 time thing.
also, she has bought awesome "tempo" by chumpblocking.
multiple times has attracted that creature removal and allowed something else to live.
Decks that run Stoneforge Mystic tends to run more tutors than targets, as a lot of those actually runs 4 mystics and only 2 or 3 equipments.
A non creature artifact that had the same abilities as stoneforge mystic would only be better at end game, as you'd actually have mana to drop and activate it in the same turn....
also, you'd need to have even more spare mana and an extra dude to equip.
that's not a likely scenario in legacy, which is the only format where the mystic is legal.
I mean, you'd need to have 6 mana to tutor up a sword, drop it and equip it to something.
or you'd just cast a Batterskull for 4, and while that's pretty awesome on itself, it's not that much better than, well... just casting Batterskull for 5.
Also, Mystic tends to get that Batterskull if you drop her on turn 2, any later and the chances of tutoring something else be a better idea tends to go up quickly.
on a vacuum, yeah, a non creature artifact for 1W that has the same abilities as Stoneforge Mystic could very well be a better card, but in a fast format like legacy where it's almost impossible you'll see any deck get to 6 mana (unless it's ramping like crazy, of course) before the game ends (or is at least with one of the players way ahead), it's highly likely that being a dude is a LOT more relevant than being able to enter the battlefield and activate right away.
Theory time: The set not only includes ten monocolor legends, one for each plane, but each color's two legends are also the intro pack rares, with the intro packs representing each Planeswalker's journey from their home plane to the new plane. So we have Hixus from Theros and a white legend from Bant in the white deck for example.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Yeah, that's due to a technical issue we can't fix at the moment, sorry. It's going to have to remain that way for now. Fortunately, I doubt many people will seriously think Hixus is a reprint...
Yes often times you would rather wrath when you are behind, and this isnt that great against etb effects, but Hixus can definitely swing a game, and ruin some combat math, while setting you up for an alpha strike. Its no Ojutai, but white control decks will like this. Non blue decks that rely on white will probably like it more than blue ones, as I could see this being a great effect in G/W. get to 7 mana with a den protector on the board, flip it and play Hixus, while bringing back a deathmist raptor or 2 sounds disgusting.
Will be great in limited, at least.
EDIT: The fact that he can deal with Deathmist Raptor just as well as he deals with any other card is nice.
Just to make sure it's clear, if Hixus trades with the Rabblemaster (for instance if 2 or more other goblins attack) the tokens don't get exiled. Though they can't come back if they do get exiled for any length of time, if Hixus dies before his ability resolves, then no exile happens.