Hell No! Take that money a put it towards a specific modern deck or save it for Magic Origins/ Battle for Zendikar
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UUU Merfolk UUU "Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR "The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
I have a box preordered, and am definitely against opening it. What's the possibility of the box's value rising? Is the "limited print run" factor strong enough to push a box toward $300 in a year, or will we see roughly MSRP boxes for awhile?
MSRP or lower, so I would just hold onto it indefinitely if I were you. Or get some friends and a good amount of booze together and play a draft and see who gets the worst pull of the group. Whatever floats your boat.
I have a box preordered, and am definitely against opening it. What's the possibility of the box's value rising? Is the "limited print run" factor strong enough to push a box toward $300 in a year, or will we see roughly MSRP boxes for awhile?
The EV may not be high, but it does have a lot of appeal as a highly draftable format. If the reviews of the set from a limited perspective come back positive, it could have inflated value in the way of RotE and Innistrad.
Was mm1 filled with this much junk? Or less? I don't recall now. I do know it was much celebrated though. More than mm2015.
There was much less junk. The value was spread out very well, with many good commons and uncommons. Here the values is mostly in the mythics and a few of the rares.
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yeah more low level JANK to be accurate, the point with MM1 was that the value was more spread out in all the rarities. This meant that even if your rare was a less then stellar pull, your commons and uncommons would be their to pat you on the back and say "hey you still got us to cheer you up."
MM2 has roughly the same value, but that value is more concentrated in the upper rarities with little to none in the commons and uncommons. This means that those decent low rarity cards are not there to help even out the cost of a bad rare (or comet storm). So same mythic/rare gamble but this time there is no safety net you catch you when you pull bad.
yeah more low level JANK to be accurate, the point with MM1 was that the value was more spread out in all the rarities. This meant that even if your rare was a less then stellar pull, your commons and uncommons would be their to pat you on the back and say "hey you still got us to cheer you up."
MM2 has roughly the same value, but that value is more concentrated in the upper rarities with little to none in the commons and uncommons. This means that those decent low rarity cards are not there to help even out the cost of a bad rare (or comet storm). So same mythic/rare gamble but this time there is no safety net you catch you when you pull bad.
Yep, the set is more like a lottery than any magic set I've ever seen. If they were selling packs for $5 people would have given it the benefit of the doubt, but at $10 a pack when there are less than 30 cards worth more than $5, and something like 12 or 14 of them are mythic, it just doesn't distribute the wealth enough for people to be comfortable. With first MM you pay $21 for a draft (if lucky, I guess) and if you get a couple staple uncommons like bolt, path, and a rare like Grand Arbiter you feel happy with it. But with this set you spend $30 to get maybe $3 of cardboard nine times out of ten. Nobody's even going to give the draft format a chance when they can only afford to play it twice and know it's likely going to end up the same as flushing money down the toilet. (And that said, the draft format looks really unintuitive, so maybe it at least takes "masters" in that sense. Props to anyone who makes 5 color elementals work.)
Was kidding about the SV's. In any case I meant 21.
If you *really* want to invest in a card that will appreciate,
buy up every copy of Gitaxian Probe you can find.
It has the same issues Serum Visions does (plane-specific, odd mechanic that likely won't return soon),
but it costs a fraction of what SV does.
That will not remain the case.
They also do completely different things, aside from replacing themselves. Last time I checked, scrying 2 cards and looking at a player's hand are nowhere near the same effect.
Hell No! Take that money a put it towards a specific modern deck or save it for Magic Origins/ Battle for Zendikar
This is exactly what i was thinking. I'll pre-order all the best singles from Origins/BfZ as i did FRF/DTK and make out like a bandit in the end.
They think that they won't reprint the fetch lands in BFZ and they might make zebdikar a two block series and print them in the second block. Since wizards is talking about focusing on the story line in one place longer. Also I think preordering rares is bad because 95% of them drop in price when they set comes out not increase. There are thousands of box flipping videos that do that on YouTube. Buy a box. Sell all the money rares on eBay before the prices drop to jank. Don't know where the idea of new rares increasing in price came from. It's like every planes walker gets posted at $35.99 and most drop to $15. Why the hell would you pre order that rare. Even Jace the Mind sculptor dropped from $49.99 to $35 before it jumped up to $60 and later $100.
Hell No! Take that money a put it towards a specific modern deck or save it for Magic Origins/ Battle for Zendikar
This is exactly what i was thinking. I'll pre-order all the best singles from Origins/BfZ as i did FRF/DTK and make out like a bandit in the end.
They think that they won't reprint the fetch lands in BFZ and they might make zebdikar a two block series and print them in the second block. Since wizards is talking about focusing on the story line in one place longer. Also I think preordering rares is bad because 95% of them drop in price when they set comes out not increase. There are thousands of box flipping videos that do that on YouTube. Buy a box. Sell all the money rares on eBay before the prices drop to jank. Don't know where the idea of new rares increasing in price came from. It's like every planes walker gets posted at $35.99 and most drop to $15. Why the hell would you pre order that rare. Even Jace the Mind sculptor dropped from $49.99 to $35 before it jumped up to $60 and later $100.
Lately, Starcity has been very modest with their preorder prices at the start with the prices rising as people buy them. I picked up Nissas for $25 when they were $40 until Khans came out. I think I also picked up Courser for $4 before it became a $12-24 card. You just have to have a sense of what will be better than the rest and take a leap.
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Hell No! Take that money a put it towards a specific modern deck or save it for Magic Origins/ Battle for Zendikar
This is exactly what i was thinking. I'll pre-order all the best singles from Origins/BfZ as i did FRF/DTK and make out like a bandit in the end.
They think that they won't reprint the fetch lands in BFZ and they might make zebdikar a two block series and print them in the second block. Since wizards is talking about focusing on the story line in one place longer. Also I think preordering rares is bad because 95% of them drop in price when they set comes out not increase. There are thousands of box flipping videos that do that on YouTube. Buy a box. Sell all the money rares on eBay before the prices drop to jank. Don't know where the idea of new rares increasing in price came from. It's like every planes walker gets posted at $35.99 and most drop to $15. Why the hell would you pre order that rare. Even Jace the Mind sculptor dropped from $49.99 to $35 before it jumped up to $60 and later $100.
Lately, Starcity has been very modest with their preorder prices at the start with the prices rising as people buy them. I picked up Nissas for $25 when they were $40 until Khans came out. I think I also picked up Courser for $4 before it became a $12-24 card. You just have to have a sense of what will be better than the rest and take a leap.
When I played standard competitively 7 years ago I put in endless hours of study and research so I always knew when to sell out on cards trade out or buy in and it is not worth the effort to be consistent at that game to make a few $ here and there and now with a full time job I am not putting my feet into any standard cards for that reason. And we'll now that I am making a lot of money I also don't care as much as I did as a high schooler and college student.
I have a friend who still does this and he is constantly trading at frank and sons and speculating on forums and collaborating to figure out feature prices and it's so much effort. #notworthyourlife
Was kidding about the SV's. In any case I meant 21.
If you *really* want to invest in a card that will appreciate,
buy up every copy of Gitaxian Probe you can find.
It has the same issues Serum Visions does (plane-specific, odd mechanic that likely won't return soon),
but it costs a fraction of what SV does.
That will not remain the case.
They also do completely different things, aside from replacing themselves. Last time I checked, scrying 2 cards and looking at a player's hand are nowhere near the same effect.
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I wasn't saying G-probe is a "replacement" for SV as you seem to be implying.
I was saying it's likely a better investment if you're looking to make money.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
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Was kidding about the SV's. In any case I meant 21.
If you *really* want to invest in a card that will appreciate,
buy up every copy of Gitaxian Probe you can find.
It has the same issues Serum Visions does (plane-specific, odd mechanic that likely won't return soon),
but it costs a fraction of what SV does.
That will not remain the case.
They also do completely different things, aside from replacing themselves. Last time I checked, scrying 2 cards and looking at a player's hand are nowhere near the same effect.
Ah, sorry...
???
I wasn't saying G-probe is a "replacement" for SV as you seem to be implying.
I was saying it's likely a better investment if you're looking to make money.
The fact that the set has Phyrexian mana and that they didn't reprint Gitaxian Probe is absurd. Unsure of when the next chance for phyrexian mana to make an appearance and so Probe might skyrocket.
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One of these day I have to get myself organizized.
Hell No! Take that money a put it towards a specific modern deck or save it for Magic Origins/ Battle for Zendikar
This is exactly what i was thinking. I'll pre-order all the best singles from Origins/BfZ as i did FRF/DTK and make out like a bandit in the end.
They think that they won't reprint the fetch lands in BFZ and they might make zebdikar a two block series and print them in the second block. Since wizards is talking about focusing on the story line in one place longer. Also I think preordering rares is bad because 95% of them drop in price when they set comes out not increase. There are thousands of box flipping videos that do that on YouTube. Buy a box. Sell all the money rares on eBay before the prices drop to jank. Don't know where the idea of new rares increasing in price came from. It's like every planes walker gets posted at $35.99 and most drop to $15. Why the hell would you pre order that rare. Even Jace the Mind sculptor dropped from $49.99 to $35 before it jumped up to $60 and later $100.
Lately, Starcity has been very modest with their preorder prices at the start with the prices rising as people buy them. I picked up Nissas for $25 when they were $40 until Khans came out. I think I also picked up Courser for $4 before it became a $12-24 card. You just have to have a sense of what will be better than the rest and take a leap.
When I played standard competitively 7 years ago I put in endless hours of study and research so I always knew when to sell out on cards trade out or buy in and it is not worth the effort to be consistent at that game to make a few $ here and there and now with a full time job I am not putting my feet into any standard cards for that reason. And we'll now that I am making a lot of money I also don't care as much as I did as a high schooler and college student.
I have a friend who still does this and he is constantly trading at frank and sons and speculating on forums and collaborating to figure out feature prices and it's so much effort. #notworthyourlife
It's not about making money for me. It's about getting the cards i want at a lower cost before they skyrocket, e.g. Deathmist Raptor/Ojutai/den protector/collected company. I was able to get den protectors at 1$ each, deathmists at 4$ each, and ojutai at 5$ each. Now i wouldn't want to spend the crazy money on them. I know their prices will eventually fall as time goes on and they get shifted out of standard, but at least they'll still be more than/equal to my initial payment.
Which brings me back to sets like this, where it's almost impossible to do that with MM cards and their initial value already pre-determined from being printed previously. For me to build a competitive deck in modern i'd have to spend significantly to get modern staples, which i have none of.
Although, depending on the scope of the set, I may buy a box of the new origins/bfz anyways for some limited play.
Was mm1 filled with this much junk? Or less? I don't recall now. I do know it was much celebrated though. More than mm2015.
Also, current prices cannot be looked to as a determination of jank, because there were plenty of cards that were between $5 and $15 that have gone down in price because of higher print run. That was actually nice, to pull cards then that had some value.
Modern is cheaper then standard. Even if you buy some of the cards you need at a slightly cheaper price you still have to buy cards over and over were I can play the same deck for 5 years and actually turn around a profit if I win $15-40 store credit every other week and it only cost $5 to enter. 99% of the time unless you purchase a modern card for a cheap price it will fall below your initial investment. Because if it's not playable in modern or EDH then it's a dime rare down from a $5 rare.
The fact that the set has Phyrexian mana and that they didn't reprint Gitaxian Probe is absurd. Unsure of when the next chance for phyrexian mana to make an appearance and so Probe might skyrocket.
I can see it now:
"We didn't include Gitaxian Probe in MM17 because Phyrexian Mana wasn't a returning mechanic. But it was an FNM promo like five years ago, so why are you complaining?"
The fact that the set has Phyrexian mana and that they didn't reprint Gitaxian Probe is absurd. Unsure of when the next chance for phyrexian mana to make an appearance and so Probe might skyrocket.
I can see it now:
"We didn't include Gitaxian Probe in MM17 because Phyrexian Mana wasn't a returning mechanic. But it was an FNM promo like five years ago, so why are you complaining?"
Amazing. All MaRo needs to do is copy and paste that quote, and he has a post.
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UUU Merfolk UUU
"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
-Empress Galina
UBR Cruel Control UBR
"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas
This is exactly what i was thinking. I'll pre-order all the best singles from Origins/BfZ as i did FRF/DTK and make out like a bandit in the end.
The EV may not be high, but it does have a lot of appeal as a highly draftable format. If the reviews of the set from a limited perspective come back positive, it could have inflated value in the way of RotE and Innistrad.
There was much less junk. The value was spread out very well, with many good commons and uncommons. Here the values is mostly in the mythics and a few of the rares.
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UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
MM2 has roughly the same value, but that value is more concentrated in the upper rarities with little to none in the commons and uncommons. This means that those decent low rarity cards are not there to help even out the cost of a bad rare (or comet storm). So same mythic/rare gamble but this time there is no safety net you catch you when you pull bad.
Yep, the set is more like a lottery than any magic set I've ever seen. If they were selling packs for $5 people would have given it the benefit of the doubt, but at $10 a pack when there are less than 30 cards worth more than $5, and something like 12 or 14 of them are mythic, it just doesn't distribute the wealth enough for people to be comfortable. With first MM you pay $21 for a draft (if lucky, I guess) and if you get a couple staple uncommons like bolt, path, and a rare like Grand Arbiter you feel happy with it. But with this set you spend $30 to get maybe $3 of cardboard nine times out of ten. Nobody's even going to give the draft format a chance when they can only afford to play it twice and know it's likely going to end up the same as flushing money down the toilet. (And that said, the draft format looks really unintuitive, so maybe it at least takes "masters" in that sense. Props to anyone who makes 5 color elementals work.)
They think that they won't reprint the fetch lands in BFZ and they might make zebdikar a two block series and print them in the second block. Since wizards is talking about focusing on the story line in one place longer. Also I think preordering rares is bad because 95% of them drop in price when they set comes out not increase. There are thousands of box flipping videos that do that on YouTube. Buy a box. Sell all the money rares on eBay before the prices drop to jank. Don't know where the idea of new rares increasing in price came from. It's like every planes walker gets posted at $35.99 and most drop to $15. Why the hell would you pre order that rare. Even Jace the Mind sculptor dropped from $49.99 to $35 before it jumped up to $60 and later $100.
When I played standard competitively 7 years ago I put in endless hours of study and research so I always knew when to sell out on cards trade out or buy in and it is not worth the effort to be consistent at that game to make a few $ here and there and now with a full time job I am not putting my feet into any standard cards for that reason. And we'll now that I am making a lot of money I also don't care as much as I did as a high schooler and college student.
I have a friend who still does this and he is constantly trading at frank and sons and speculating on forums and collaborating to figure out feature prices and it's so much effort. #notworthyourlife
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I wasn't saying G-probe is a "replacement" for SV as you seem to be implying.
I was saying it's likely a better investment if you're looking to make money.
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Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It's not about making money for me. It's about getting the cards i want at a lower cost before they skyrocket, e.g. Deathmist Raptor/Ojutai/den protector/collected company. I was able to get den protectors at 1$ each, deathmists at 4$ each, and ojutai at 5$ each. Now i wouldn't want to spend the crazy money on them. I know their prices will eventually fall as time goes on and they get shifted out of standard, but at least they'll still be more than/equal to my initial payment.
Which brings me back to sets like this, where it's almost impossible to do that with MM cards and their initial value already pre-determined from being printed previously. For me to build a competitive deck in modern i'd have to spend significantly to get modern staples, which i have none of.
Although, depending on the scope of the set, I may buy a box of the new origins/bfz anyways for some limited play.
Also, current prices cannot be looked to as a determination of jank, because there were plenty of cards that were between $5 and $15 that have gone down in price because of higher print run. That was actually nice, to pull cards then that had some value.
I can see it now:
"We didn't include Gitaxian Probe in MM17 because Phyrexian Mana wasn't a returning mechanic. But it was an FNM promo like five years ago, so why are you complaining?"
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