I dunno why you'd want walkers to be more creature based. Creature based strategies are already abundent, I like walkers that support other stratergies.
Oh, I hope this isn't real. Chandra deserves better. But let's say it is. Alright, let's look at-who am I kidding, this card is bad. Granted, I may be overlooking something, but man. Her +1 couldn't be a Shock? In any case, I wanna say she has a home somewhere, but I'm just gonna hope she's not real. Who knows.
Well, I'm starting to think she is not THAT bad. I mean, her second ability looks really weak (we've had both Ral Zarek that Bolts on minus and Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker that uses Mizzium Mortars on minus). But it is quite easy to flip her (I didn't realize she could flip by attacking or blocking) and she quickly builds up damage. She might be playable in either Monored or UR decks with lots of cantrips.
My hope is that they make them narrow for specific strategies and or shift them to aggro tactics. Walker control is not fun to play against so I would be happy if the creature based walkers are more geared for creature strategies.
I also assume that most of these will be terrible for EDH considering they have conditions to turn into walkers and that walkers usually are not amazing in commander.
Yeah. Chandra looks like turd driving a chariot right now, but Liliana seems reasonable as one of the 99. I play plenty of sac engines in black decks. Although, when you are limited to 99 cards you cut a lot of very strong playable cards for each and every one of those 99. Does this Lili beat out the other Lilianas? Fleshbag Marauder? Necropotence? Some other random 3 drop I can't think of?
These legendary flip planeswalkers seem made more for tiny Leaders than EDH.
These legendary flip planeswalkers seem made more for tiny Leaders than EDH.
Except the two we've seen so far are nowhere near good enough. These are way too slow and compared to all the other cards available to Tiny Leaders (like that's even a thing outside small pockets), they aren't strong enough for the competitive nature of the format.
While Liliana seems very strong, Chandra doesn't seem great. I also hope that we won't be getting a cycle of 3 mana walkers. I want Gideon to be 4 mana so he doesn't die to Abrupt Decay in Modern and might have more than 4 toughness to dodge Bolt.
What happens if I give Fire of Kaladesh first strike, block a 6/6 with her, then ping and flip her before the 6/6 can deal damage? "Chandra" is still alive with full loyalty counters, and the 6/6 creature is still effectively blocked, correct?
What happens if I give Fire of Kaladesh first strike, block a 6/6 with her, then ping and flip her before the 6/6 can deal damage? "Chandra" is still alive with full loyalty counters, and the 6/6 creature is still effectively blocked, correct?
What if this 6/6 creature had trample?
The creature will still be blocked and won't deal damage, unless it has trample.
While Liliana seems very strong, Chandra doesn't seem great. I also hope that we won't be getting a cycle of 3 mana walkers. I want Gideon to be 4 mana so he doesn't die to Abrupt Decay in Modern and might have more than 4 toughness to dodge Bolt.
He would still be vulnerable to Abrupt Decay the second he flipped-
I'm not sure how much CMC4+ would help you there.
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While Liliana seems very strong, Chandra doesn't seem great. I also hope that we won't be getting a cycle of 3 mana walkers. I want Gideon to be 4 mana so he doesn't die to Abrupt Decay in Modern and might have more than 4 toughness to dodge Bolt.
He would still be vulnerable to Abrupt Decay the second he flipped-
I'm not sure how much CMC4+ would help you there.
Good point. I guess unless if they print some strong removal or card-draw in this set I'm probably out.
Chandra -7: ... "at the beginning of your upkeep, this Emblem deals 1 damage to you".
Since Emblems are NOT on the Battlefield, they can not deal damage.
Emblems are in the command zone and only give a global untargeting effect.
Red magic is "dealing damage" which allways can be tried to be prevented, so there is also no real chance to get a red-magic emblem that would say "you lose 1 life", which would be the better and right wording for this type of burn effect.
The planechase card "Naar Isle" is in the Command Zone and deals damage to you, so your first argument is invalid. (i.e an effect outside of the battlefield can actually deal damage to you)
Chandras' (supposed) emblem doesn't target. Also, Venser, the Sojourner have an emblem that says "Whenever you cast a spell, exile target permanent". So your second argument is also invalid.
Your third argument is just your opinion and in no way a proof that the card is fake. My opinion is that the wording is absolutely fine, especially considering that "Naar Isle" exists...
My guess is that 3 of them are crap, 1 is OK/EDH worthy, and 1 is broken.
Come on, let's hope for Titan Cycle quality: 1 is crap, 3 are EDH-worthy, and 1 is broken.
I think you are thinking of the Souls, except none of them were broken.
Why would you think that? that actually sounds like a fair breakdown of the Titans.Frost was crap and Prime Time is very close to busted with the other 3 doing very little outside of EDH. I don't know about the Souls in EDH, but they certainly aren't playable in Modern
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She is perfect! deal damage to flip! then ping for 2 then ultimate some turn later for for 6 dmg plus 3 dmg on every opp upkeep?!!! yes please! also she is crap on modern an standard! so maybe she wont spike for too long after release.
Hm, I guess there's a use for that foil Pyromancer's Gauntlet I have lying around in her EDH deck. I kinda wish baby Chandra had haste and could target creatures, buy I really hope this isn't the card.
If the do this crap to Chandra, they better make Jace have 3 Mill abilities.
My guess is that 3 of them are crap, 1 is OK/EDH worthy, and 1 is broken.
Come on, let's hope for Titan Cycle quality: 1 is crap, 3 are EDH-worthy, and 1 is broken.
I think you are thinking of the Souls, except none of them were broken.
Why would you think that? that actually sounds like a fair breakdown of the Titans.Frost was crap and Prime Time is very close to busted with the other 3 doing very little outside of EDH. I don't know about the Souls in EDH, but they certainly aren't playable in Modern
The other titans were all still great in Standard (especially Inferno Titan), Grave Titan sees some Legacy play, and Inferno Titan is Modern-playable.
She's not hard to flip in an aggro deck with burn. (And growth effect in a RG deck.) From then on, a turn-4, 5-loyalty PW that gives you a free, uncounterable shock every turn is a RDW wet dream.
Is there a reason why Chandra refers to her full name multiple times despite her being a legendary creature?
The card seems pretty lovely if real. Attack. Cast a red spell. Ping. Et voilà, three damage. Kolaghan's Command is on-colour too, and allows you to recur your Chandra / Liliana in a pinch. I'm quite a fan actually.
My guess would be due to each effect being a separate item. She's referred to as just "Chandra" the second time in the second effect on her creature side.
Chandra -7: ... "at the beginning of your upkeep, this Emblem deals 1 damage to you".
Since Emblems are NOT on the Battlefield, they can not deal damage.
Emblems are in the command zone and only give a global untargeting effect.
Red magic is "dealing damage" which allways can be tried to be prevented, so there is also no real chance to get a red-magic emblem that would say "you lose 1 life", which would be the better and right wording for this type of burn effect.
I am sure Red decks are heartbroken to find out damage can only be dealt from the battlefield, as it means that Lightning Bolt can't exist, as the stack isn't on the battlefield.
My being obnoxious aside, cards/emblems in the Command Zone have ownership, and due to the templating on how they want Chandra's emblem to work, you have to give possession of each emblem to each opponent. If this is the real card, I'm calling that a Will-o-Wisp emblem.
She's not hard to flip in an aggro deck with burn. (And growth effect in a RG deck.) From then on, a turn-4, 5-loyalty PW that gives you a free, uncounterable shock every turn is a RDW wet dream.
That "4" on Fire of Kaladesh does almost look like a 5. It reminds me of when Shadowborn Apostle was first leaked and people couldn't decide whether that was a or a .
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These legendary flip planeswalkers seem made more for tiny Leaders than EDH.
Except the two we've seen so far are nowhere near good enough. These are way too slow and compared to all the other cards available to Tiny Leaders (like that's even a thing outside small pockets), they aren't strong enough for the competitive nature of the format.
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I think you are thinking of the Souls, except none of them were broken.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
As long as your opponent has the means and the willingnes to attack unprofitably into your fierce 2/2.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
What happens if I give Fire of Kaladesh first strike, block a 6/6 with her, then ping and flip her before the 6/6 can deal damage? "Chandra" is still alive with full loyalty counters, and the 6/6 creature is still effectively blocked, correct?
What if this 6/6 creature had trample?
The creature will still be blocked and won't deal damage, unless it has trample.
He would still be vulnerable to Abrupt Decay the second he flipped-
I'm not sure how much CMC4+ would help you there.
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Good point. I guess unless if they print some strong removal or card-draw in this set I'm probably out.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The planechase card "Naar Isle" is in the Command Zone and deals damage to you, so your first argument is invalid. (i.e an effect outside of the battlefield can actually deal damage to you)
Chandras' (supposed) emblem doesn't target. Also, Venser, the Sojourner have an emblem that says "Whenever you cast a spell, exile target permanent". So your second argument is also invalid.
Your third argument is just your opinion and in no way a proof that the card is fake. My opinion is that the wording is absolutely fine, especially considering that "Naar Isle" exists...
Why would you think that? that actually sounds like a fair breakdown of the Titans.Frost was crap and Prime Time is very close to busted with the other 3 doing very little outside of EDH. I don't know about the Souls in EDH, but they certainly aren't playable in Modern
If the do this crap to Chandra, they better make Jace have 3 Mill abilities.
The other titans were all still great in Standard (especially Inferno Titan), Grave Titan sees some Legacy play, and Inferno Titan is Modern-playable.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Once Theros rotates, we lose hero's downfall, courser of kruphix and siege rhino. There may be replacements, but I doubt as efficient and widely played.
She's quite OK, not over-powered, simply balanced for the kind of deck she fits into in standard.
I am sure Red decks are heartbroken to find out damage can only be dealt from the battlefield, as it means that Lightning Bolt can't exist, as the stack isn't on the battlefield.
My being obnoxious aside, cards/emblems in the Command Zone have ownership, and due to the templating on how they want Chandra's emblem to work, you have to give possession of each emblem to each opponent. If this is the real card, I'm calling that a Will-o-Wisp emblem.
Do you mean Sylvan Caryatid? Siege Rhino is in KTK, so it won't be rotating with Theros block.
I'd be surprised if there isn't a Hero's Downfall equivalent printed in BFZ or Origins. It may just be a straight up reprint.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.