Here's hoping that they go with either Evolving Wilds or Exotic Orchard, as that would give space for Urzatron, as well as a 5-card land cycle (Hopefully a partial one, including Grove of the Burnwillows and Horizon Canopy). Other possibilities include a panorama cycle, which would be unexciting to say the least, Invasion UC-duals (Possibly shifted down to common), which is unlikely, given the strictly better Refuges/Khans common lands, or Emeria (Which would make Valakut seem like an inclusion as well).
Probably Evolving Wilds for better limited mana fixing, perhaps Exotic Orchard at uncommon?
They left out the part where Yawgmoth is resurrected,but has been cleansed as Yawgmoth the Redeemed,and now must awaken Chromium so that Karn can fuse with him and create what can only be known as : the ultimate taco.
Are signets and bounce lands still a possibility? Probably more so signets for fixing and metalcraft. I know they (Maro) are terrified of signets feeling the fixing is too good at 2 for standard and/or normal drafts.
They left out the part where Yawgmoth is resurrected,but has been cleansed as Yawgmoth the Redeemed,and now must awaken Chromium so that Karn can fuse with him and create what can only be known as : the ultimate taco.
I don't like being misled, intentionally or otherwise.
To be fair, most of the list of his inclusions were correct. Without knowing more information about them it could be difficult to judge if their errors in list were based upon information that changed and or incomplete information.
Sources of rumors tend to build a track record and overall this was proven to have some slight errors in it but overall many of the cards were proven to be correct. Some of the cards such as Elesh Norn and Iona might be strange guesses so my own assumption was that they likely did have some sort of information as to what was in the product and it possibly changed and or they only got a moment to look at it and was trying to repeat the information they received for us.
Whenever working with rumors there tends to not be 100% certainty involved. Its still extremely valuable information but I think it is being hasty to dismiss the information we received on the basis of some slight modifications. Most of what we have received from this individual has been correct or mostly correct. If this individual were to come with information for another set I would gladly review the information still knowing that the source has still been mostly correct in the past.
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Not a whole lot of good stuff or even arguable stuff.
I'd argue that Linvala is good... yeah, she's dropped down from $48, but she's still at $36, and I've been wanting to pick one up for a while. So I'm hoping it's Linvala, but not holding my breath.
What I am most curious about at this point is what would be a good candidate for a red mythic. Or is it possible that they just don't give red a mythic at all?
There could also be a second multi-color mythic in the set with red in the casting cost (Ajani Vengeant?) that essentially "takes up" a red slot. There is a decent chance this is the case with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and blue since there are 5 colorless mythics confirmed.
Any thoughts on Path to Exile? I know its gonna be a promo this summer but it seems like the MM2 limited game is gonna need it in here.
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Modern GB Rock U Flooding Merfolk RUG Delver Midrange WU Monks UW Tempo Geist GW Bogle GW Liege UR Tron B Vampires
Affinity Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
An upshifted Blood Moon did cross my mind, but there is nothing mythic about it. Although if it was at rare it probably has almost no impact in the limited setting. I would mind seeing Dragonmaster of Urabrask in the slot though. Fun musings. Guess we will find out in the next day or so.
As much as I think this is crazy, I think I would like to see Dragonmaster Outcast downshifted to Rare. I think it's doable with this play environment, considering it's quite weak (still have to see removal and board wipes in the set.
That would help some because people keep stating likely cards between certain cards and 90% are rares. Since we have spoiled approx half of the Mythics and Rares I don't think that we are going to get 2 rares and an uncommon out of 4 open spots between Noble Hierarch and Primeval Titan or two rares or a rare and an uncommon between Rusted Relic and Spellskite.
Sorry for those that used those examples since you didn't suggest those things, but I have seen some pretty weird "magical christmasland" guesses in other places and didn't want people to be too upset when they realize that there are only 30 more "rares" to be shown.
I just think people need to temper their thoughts that we still have 200 cards to see and half of those are commons.
On lands, I would not be surprised to see an asymmetric cycle, with 5 rare lands that are from different cycles, like Future Sight had.
e.g. Grove in RG, Horizon Canopy in WG, Colonade from WU, the Scars fastland from RB, and something for UB (not sure what as Creeping Tar Pit and Colonade can't both fit and CC is more important; might be the UB filter land).
Zen fetches remain possible too. We could have BFZ have the WWK manlands, set 2 have opposing colour manlands, and MM2 have the opposing fetches.
I don't like being misled, intentionally or otherwise.
To be fair, most of the list of his inclusions were correct. Without knowing more information about them it could be difficult to judge if their errors in list were based upon information that changed and or incomplete information.
Sources of rumors tend to build a track record and overall this was proven to have some slight errors in it but overall many of the cards were proven to be correct. Some of the cards such as Elesh Norn and Iona might be strange guesses so my own assumption was that they likely did have some sort of information as to what was in the product and it possibly changed and or they only got a moment to look at it and was trying to repeat the information they received for us.
Whenever working with rumors there tends to not be 100% certainty involved. Its still extremely valuable information but I think it is being hasty to dismiss the information we received on the basis of some slight modifications. Most of what we have received from this individual has been correct or mostly correct. If this individual were to come with information for another set I would gladly review the information still knowing that the source has still been mostly correct in the past.
Guessing the obvious inclusions isn't noteworthy. It's like a parlor trick.
How about this? I have a trusted source at WotC that says enemy fetches will be in Battle for Zendikar.
See how that works? Don't believe everything your'e told.
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I don't think that we are going to get 2 rares and an uncommon out of 4 open spots between Noble Hierarch and Primeval Titan or two rares or a rare and an uncommon between Rusted Relic and Spellskite.
Well, since you used my post to make your point... I listed 16 cards, and only 3 were rares, so I'm hardly in magical Christmasland. But I agree totally with your point that some of those slots will go to commons / draft fodder. The cards I listed are the available cards that see play in at least one format, and which haven't already been reprinted to death. I would be surprised, though, if Ondu Giant and Vault Skirge are not both included. Both are commons, and Ondu Giant seems to be exactly what the ramp strategy wants... and Vault Skirge, of course, is a constructed staple that could use a reprint.
Elfhame Palace, Emeria, the Sky Ruin, Esper Panorama, Evolving Wilds, Exotic Orchard
Here's hoping that they go with either Evolving Wilds or Exotic Orchard, as that would give space for Urzatron, as well as a 5-card land cycle (Hopefully a partial one, including Grove of the Burnwillows and Horizon Canopy). Other possibilities include a panorama cycle, which would be unexciting to say the least, Invasion UC-duals (Possibly shifted down to common), which is unlikely, given the strictly better Refuges/Khans common lands, or Emeria (Which would make Valakut seem like an inclusion as well).
Probably Evolving Wilds for better limited mana fixing, perhaps Exotic Orchard at uncommon?
Light from Within
Lightmine Field
Linvala, Keeper of Silence (Probably the most likely)
Loyal Sentry (Gotta keep those Eldrazi at bay)
Luminarch Ascension
Any of the three white Magi
Mangara of Corondor (Sees fringe play in modern and legacy, wouldn't surprise me)
Mesa Enchantress (Fits with the aura theme)
Commons/Uncommons, limited fodder:
Loam Lion
Lymph Sliver (If slivers are supported)
Mammoth Umbra (Likely with aura support)
Mana Tithe (Would love this)
Martyr of Sands
Master Decoy
Master Splicer (If there's token support in white, or golem support generally)
To be fair, most of the list of his inclusions were correct. Without knowing more information about them it could be difficult to judge if their errors in list were based upon information that changed and or incomplete information.
Sources of rumors tend to build a track record and overall this was proven to have some slight errors in it but overall many of the cards were proven to be correct. Some of the cards such as Elesh Norn and Iona might be strange guesses so my own assumption was that they likely did have some sort of information as to what was in the product and it possibly changed and or they only got a moment to look at it and was trying to repeat the information they received for us.
Whenever working with rumors there tends to not be 100% certainty involved. Its still extremely valuable information but I think it is being hasty to dismiss the information we received on the basis of some slight modifications. Most of what we have received from this individual has been correct or mostly correct. If this individual were to come with information for another set I would gladly review the information still knowing that the source has still been mostly correct in the past.
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I'd argue that Linvala is good... yeah, she's dropped down from $48, but she's still at $36, and I've been wanting to pick one up for a while. So I'm hoping it's Linvala, but not holding my breath.
Kiki but im expecting Koth
There could also be a second multi-color mythic in the set with red in the casting cost (Ajani Vengeant?) that essentially "takes up" a red slot. There is a decent chance this is the case with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and blue since there are 5 colorless mythics confirmed.
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"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
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GB Rock
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GW Bogle
GW Liege
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GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Does seem like it could fit into a B/R aggro strategy too. So it could be an expensive card that just happens to fit into an archytype for drafting.
I would think it is a shoe-in. Great removal that's a staple and still a 6-7 dollar uncommon.
Mythic reds worth some amount of money (but nothing like the other mythics):
Urabrask the Hidden
Kargan Dragonlord (seems unlikely what with level up)
Dragonmaster Outcast
Koth of the Hammer
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker (unlikely with twin being in)
Warren Instigator
I wouldn't put it past them to upshift Blood Moon either.
And if they just feel like trolling us they could always do Inferno Titan or Hero of Oxid Ridge...
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"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
-Vash the Stampede
The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has it limits.
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"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
-Vash the Stampede
The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has it limits.
Doing the lords work, my man. This is my favorite thread on here right now.
As much as I think this is crazy, I think I would like to see Dragonmaster Outcast downshifted to Rare. I think it's doable with this play environment, considering it's quite weak (still have to see removal and board wipes in the set.
Would bet on both Ondu Giant and Oracle for this set... both good ramp cards, and Oracle has never been reprinted.
Can we get a rarity breakdown in the OP?
Mythic = 10/15
Rare = 25/53
Uncommon = 5/80
Common = 3/101
That would help some because people keep stating likely cards between certain cards and 90% are rares. Since we have spoiled approx half of the Mythics and Rares I don't think that we are going to get 2 rares and an uncommon out of 4 open spots between Noble Hierarch and Primeval Titan or two rares or a rare and an uncommon between Rusted Relic and Spellskite.
Sorry for those that used those examples since you didn't suggest those things, but I have seen some pretty weird "magical christmasland" guesses in other places and didn't want people to be too upset when they realize that there are only 30 more "rares" to be shown.
I just think people need to temper their thoughts that we still have 200 cards to see and half of those are commons.
e.g. Grove in RG, Horizon Canopy in WG, Colonade from WU, the Scars fastland from RB, and something for UB (not sure what as Creeping Tar Pit and Colonade can't both fit and CC is more important; might be the UB filter land).
Zen fetches remain possible too. We could have BFZ have the WWK manlands, set 2 have opposing colour manlands, and MM2 have the opposing fetches.
Guessing the obvious inclusions isn't noteworthy. It's like a parlor trick.
How about this? I have a trusted source at WotC that says enemy fetches will be in Battle for Zendikar.
See how that works? Don't believe everything your'e told.
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Well, since you used my post to make your point... I listed 16 cards, and only 3 were rares, so I'm hardly in magical Christmasland. But I agree totally with your point that some of those slots will go to commons / draft fodder. The cards I listed are the available cards that see play in at least one format, and which haven't already been reprinted to death. I would be surprised, though, if Ondu Giant and Vault Skirge are not both included. Both are commons, and Ondu Giant seems to be exactly what the ramp strategy wants... and Vault Skirge, of course, is a constructed staple that could use a reprint.