I recall getting whacked by chimeric mass back when that was a card. This just seems generally better in its deck. I like the card. It didn't need the first activated ability, but we'll take it, lol.
Yeah, this is like a Chimeric Mass that pays its X cost through other spells over time... I love C.M. in my casual artifact deck and this one will be nice in my Jeskai Ascendancy deck.
I remember standard when Glint Hawk Idol was a card, and that card was irritatingly strong in some matchups. Some control players used it as a creature that survived wraths. Some aggro players used it as a frequent 2 damage that survives wraths. People criticized that card for dying to the artifact hate and the creature hate.
This card is certainly different, but it's scaleable and flexible. I think this card could enable some archetypes, and fit into others. This will fit into standard and it will see play in a few decks. Dies to removal is always such an ignorant argument. This is an afterthought for a while, but must eventually be dealt with. The hard part is going to be thinking about when to kill the enchantment vs killing an outpost siege or other powerful enchantment. It's a bad draw when you're dead, but if you slam this lategame on an empty board with mana to spare, it is a win condition.
Don't let the naysayers get to you on this one, it's playable and people will try it in control, tempo and other archetypes.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." -Albert Einstein
This card oozes flavour and is another really nice wrath-dodger for control and equipment voltron decks. Also very telegraphed, but as has been said they're welcome to kill a one-mana enchantment if they want to.
You know its bad when Myth Realized and Assault Formation alone make for more interesting enchantments than most of what Theros block had to offer. Most people remember Bestow and the Enchantment Gods. Not much else.
I understand they didn't want to break standard with enchantments yet they might as well have went all in with it to make it more memorable and interesting.
I can't believe people were literally *****ting their pants over Monastery Mentor but now go "Meh..." over this card. I will be running this 3-4 x in jeskia firworks. If played turn one it can easily become the biggest threat on the field with little to no mana investment. once it starts becoming a 4/4 or bigger that 1 mana investment per turn really isn't a big deal and the reach it gives is pretty absurd for a 1 drop. Triggering other prowess cards is what makes this stand out in my mind. As for the people saying it could be a finisher in control I have my doubts but it does get grabbed by narset. I for one will be happy to have an opener of of 4 copies of this card and 2 white sources. I don't think I could say that about many other cards.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Check out my Sales 50% OFF everything for the next 48 hours.
Besides the obvious post-wrath swing, this fella is sweet with being able to dump mana end of turn so you don't have to waste spells just for counters. Awesome design. Plus, shu yun loves cheap, cheap prowess. Also pretty neat with scroll of the masters out (sweet curve potential too), as your "measly" 5 counters can swing for much more paired with scroll. Definitely warrants removal, but with counterspell protection, it gets even bigger!
You know its bad when Myth Realized and Assault Formation alone make for more interesting enchantments than most of what Theros block had to offer.
Not to mention Sage's Reverie, Lotus-Eye Mystics, etc. Although you can usually count on some thematic support in subsequent sets so it's not completely surprising.
So it dies to removal then? All that work to make it big (before which it does nothing to impact the game) and then it dies to removal like any other vanilla creature
The activation cost is only W. That means allllll of the rest of your mana is available for counterspells. In fact, I'd say this would probably be one of the more easily defendable creatures in new Standard. The real killer for me, is more the lack of Evasion.
That is why the deck it is most likely to see play in is a in a deck with 8+ wraths. It's hard for them to block when you just wiped the board. It's a one mana wincon that just sits there being a mana dump till you are ready to use it. The first, and subsequent, attack doesn't have to be lethal. Turn 1-2 you play this. Turn 6-7, you wrath, activate for one white and attack for 5-8. Three or four turns later you do it again. Repeat ad nauseam.
Terrible top deck? Sure. A potential solid role-player in a control deck? I think so.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
However, I continue to try and I continue, indefatigably, to reach out. There’s no way I can single-handedly save the world or, perhaps, even make a perceptible difference - but how ashamed I would be to let a day pass without making one more effort. -- Isaac Asimov
If your deck is built right, you won't do anything out of your way to make this good. Seems good in the type of 8 creature prowess deck I could see being a thing, with 4 soulfire grandmaster 4 monastery mentor. the fact that this triggers prowess itself makes it quite nice. A very good card in both the prowess and control decks of the format.
This card is boring and a horrible late draw, but because it's so cheap, it has functions. I would like to see it in modern RW burn...T1 Myth, T2 go off storm/blecher-style, swing for 5 while still playing Empty the Warrens and getting 10 goblins...a reasonable t3 kill.
I'm surprised. This thread went all the way to post #16 before we got a "dies to removal" post. That being said, this is the kind of low investment card a deck like Mardu or Jeskai tokens can really get behind. I approve.
It's horrible late game because you can just spend 3 mana to give it counters? Yeah, I hate it when my cards have a built in mana sink so they aren't totally blank in the late game.
I could honestly see a new prowess archtype springing up around this card, probably in U/W or like jeskai or something. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I see a lot of potential. The fact that you can cast this early game and it having value at basically any point in the game is what makes it good, in my eyes. I honestly wish it was a different color tbh, like blue or something, but oh well.
I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
With the printing of Dromoka's command coupled with the plethora of removal that has already been spoiled, it seems unlikely to be that ground breaking. Besides that it has zero evasion. Neat design idea though.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern GB Rock U Flooding Merfolk RUG Delver Midrange WU Monks UW Tempo Geist GW Bogle GW Liege UR Tron B Vampires
Affinity Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
This card looks like a very powerful tool for control. It's cheap, does it's thing while you just play the game, can be used as mana sink and it can be found with narsets + effect. One of the few cards of this set that truly spark my interest.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I look forward to building this into a Mono White Devotion/control deck containing skybind, Heliod, God of the Sun and other fun things as well. (Still trying to live the Skybind dream folks!)
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTG Junky... First packs being a starter of each 4th Edition and Ice Age. Good Grief, I've been playing since 1995? Where does the time go!
Quote from Xcric »
this is mtgs, where occam's razor is so blunt it can't cut jello any more.
No ones gonna say it? DODGES AND IS BUFFED BY PORPHYRY NODES. This is the sorta card that could make modern enchantment prison decks a thing. For standard, this plays beautifully with commune with the gods and blossom. I'll take 20, this is what a multi format card looks like.
No ones gonna say it? DODGES AND IS BUFFED BY PORPHYRY NODES. This is the sorta card that could make modern enchantment prison decks a thing. For standard, this plays beautifully with commune with the gods and blossom. I'll take 20, this is what a multi format card looks like.
Ahh so the White mage likes his pushed White cards I see
But yeah I agree with you. This one of the top cards in the set for me
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: UW Control
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Yeah, this is like a Chimeric Mass that pays its X cost through other spells over time... I love C.M. in my casual artifact deck and this one will be nice in my Jeskai Ascendancy deck.
This card is certainly different, but it's scaleable and flexible. I think this card could enable some archetypes, and fit into others. This will fit into standard and it will see play in a few decks. Dies to removal is always such an ignorant argument. This is an afterthought for a while, but must eventually be dealt with. The hard part is going to be thinking about when to kill the enchantment vs killing an outpost siege or other powerful enchantment. It's a bad draw when you're dead, but if you slam this lategame on an empty board with mana to spare, it is a win condition.
Don't let the naysayers get to you on this one, it's playable and people will try it in control, tempo and other archetypes.
Playtesting | Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Narset, Enlightened Master | Ephara, God of the Polis
Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty
I understand they didn't want to break standard with enchantments yet they might as well have went all in with it to make it more memorable and interesting.
R Feldon of the Third Path EDH R
X Kozilek, the Great Distortion EDH X
B Sidisi Ad Nauseam Combo EDH B
Not to mention Sage's Reverie, Lotus-Eye Mystics, etc. Although you can usually count on some thematic support in subsequent sets so it's not completely surprising.
Playtesting | Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Narset, Enlightened Master | Ephara, God of the Polis
Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty
Standard: BG Golgari Midrange
Modern: U Merfolk GWUBR 5 Color Humans UBW Esper Gifts GW Bogles
Thats so obvisious that some thought the Eldrazi would be real allready in the last set of Khans.
Eldrazi are colorless anyway, the Spawn tokens are and if they dont go for a "colorless" theme somethings totally wrong with them !
WUBRG#BlackLotusMatterWUBRG
👮👮👮 #BlueLivesMatter 👮👮👮
Terrible top deck? Sure. A potential solid role-player in a control deck? I think so.
10th at SCG: Syracuse (2014), GP:NJ Last-Chance Grinder Winner (2014):: Former Legacy Mod
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Ahh so the White mage likes his pushed White cards I see
But yeah I agree with you. This one of the top cards in the set for me