I guess this is how wizards will do tribal lands for now on. Reminds me of sliver hive, where you can produce any mana, but only for a sole creature type, plus an extra ability relevant to that tribe, or in the case of Haven of the Spirit Dragon, story and flavor.
Doesn't this put the final nail in the coffin for those still hoping for a fetch reprint?
I think we are probably past the point of enemy fetches being likely, but there is still a very slim chance. Since none of the names of fetches fall between these land names (Evolving and Haven), they could have only 10 basics and 1 land before Evolving wilds (Arid Mesa) if Vial ends up being number 246 instead of the assumed number 247.
It is a very outside chance, but until we get the number of basics or the collector number for Vial of Dragonfire, we won't know for sure.
My personal opinion is that the current assumptions of numbers and quantity of basics is probably correct, but we won't really know for sure until the end of the week.
The way it is worded, it almost sounds like we might get an Ugin Liberated card, new version for a new timeline. idk how the name/number thing works but there looks to be room in colorless. or maybe 5 color. has there ever been 2 of the same walker in a block? possible or just wishful thinking? because I love the first one
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All we've sadly confirmed is that The Allied fetches are for sure out. No new versions.
What I'm hoping is with this land finally spoiled (and there's been a prediction for a third spirit dragon land for a while now) is they they will finally give us the basics and or any other lands.
The way it is worded, it almost sounds like we might get an Ugin Liberated card, new version for a new timeline. idk how the name/number thing works but there looks to be room in colorless. or maybe 5 color. has there ever been 2 of the same walker in a block? possible or just wishful thinking? because I love the first one
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Doesn't this put the final nail in the coffin for those still hoping for a fetch reprint?
I think we are probably past the point of enemy fetches being likely, but there is still a very slim chance. Since none of the names of fetches fall between these land names (Evolving and Haven), they could have only 10 basics and 1 land before Evolving wilds (Arid Mesa) if Vial ends up being number 246 instead of the assumed number 247.
It is a very outside chance, but until we get the number of basics or the collector number for Vial of Dragonfire, we won't know for sure.
My personal opinion is that the current assumptions of numbers and quantity of basics is probably correct, but we won't really know for sure until the end of the week.
I thought it was pretty much a given that there will be no enemy fetches in DTK ever since they announced Battle for Zendikar, it makes a whole lot more sense to reprint them in a Zendikar set.
didn't forget him, I meant outside of this block, that was the reasoning for it, if this block is the first time it would be a cool precedent, a new way to show story
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It's powerful and flavourful/cool at the same time.
A little bit too powerful perhaps, but I can see why they'd want to do that. Looks like a Ugin deck was put together for players to buy, and it's going to cost a LOT. But it'll actually be competitive, looks like. Not to mention the card is perfect in any Dragon deck, as-is.
Kinda makes you wonder why Treva even needed those Ruins at all!
EDIT: As an Elf, I must say, we Elves should have a land like this. Most of us are green anyway, but come on, we're the mana-fixers in this game, we should at least have an Elf land that fixes mana as well as the Slivers, Elementals, and Dragons do! Don't make us get our arrows!!
This should somehow be abusable in modern with Life from the Loam. Maybe a nice finisher for an Assault-Loam variant. Or maybe some UG tron variant that also utilizes Academy Ruins to get back Wurmcoil.
Well, I was GOING to go either Abzan Hardened Scales or Temur Aggro post-rotation, but then they spoiled this card and rooted me into either Jund or Naya Dragons. Congrats WotC, you made this set absolutely correctly.
Edit: As for all of this hype about dragons anyways....this seems likely to be a 6 month wonderdeck in the end, doesn't it? Since BFZ is likely to not have all too many dragons in it, it sort of means that the dragon deck from DTK won't likely stick around once standard flips around. Most other decks likely will be able to stick around and get new tricks....I guess that's the risk with tribal decks, you likely won't get much more support once that tribal set/block is done.
I'm just glad this isn't Legendary! Four-of in Dragon Tribal! It's just a shame they opted to design a world without low CMC dragons. At least there's a few nice ones for EDH.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
I think this card is a player in control decks. It gives UB resilience to having their hexproof dragon dealt with, and provides recursion for an expensive sweeper. I'm excited to see the types of control that emerge from the new set with this card. UW could be quite strong, or maybe an esper build. They will want to increase slightly the amount of dragons they play so that new blue counterspell works well for them...
It's powerful and flavourful/cool at the same time.
A little bit too powerful perhaps, but I can see why they'd want to do that. Looks like a Ugin deck was put together for players to buy, and it's going to cost a LOT. But it'll actually be competitive, looks like. Not to mention the card is perfect in any Dragon deck, as-is.
Kinda makes you wonder why Treva even needed those Ruins at all!
EDIT: As an Elf, I must say, we Elves should have a land like this. Most of us are green anyway, but come on, we're the mana-fixers in this game, we should at least have an Elf land that fixes mana as well as the Slivers, Elementals, and Dragons do! Don't make us get our arrows!!
I don't understand... an Ugin deck? I don't think "Dragugins" will be a player in standard... though dragon cards for EDH have been skyrocketing.
Also, elves do have a Elf-land, it's called place where all the elves live and can be cast from. If you're worried about neat effects, Gaea's Cradle and Pendlehaven have that locked up pretty tightly. Temple Garden basically casts every elf anyways, as the elvish race lie primarily in the Green and White slice of the color pie. There are a few exceptions, but because the whole color pie belongs to the races you mentioned I highly doubt that they would ever print an elf-specific land like you describe.
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points to anyone who gets all 3 ugin lands out and ugin (cause he crosses all time). The ugin theme deck just got a little better (cause dragon spells). Love the art.
Got that Michael Bay camera angle going on the artwork.
The only thing I like about this card is the flavor...
Now how about a surprise modern-times Ugin pw card in DTK?
How freaking amazing would that be? It would be so jaw droppingly awesome, that I'm sure Wizards could not possibly be involved with something so cool. Nobody is that cool...
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
They still wasted a lot of cardboard with the last one.
I think we are probably past the point of enemy fetches being likely, but there is still a very slim chance. Since none of the names of fetches fall between these land names (Evolving and Haven), they could have only 10 basics and 1 land before Evolving wilds (Arid Mesa) if Vial ends up being number 246 instead of the assumed number 247.
It is a very outside chance, but until we get the number of basics or the collector number for Vial of Dragonfire, we won't know for sure.
My personal opinion is that the current assumptions of numbers and quantity of basics is probably correct, but we won't really know for sure until the end of the week.
I got two of those spit trays from packs, but I really do forgive them for this beauty.
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What I'm hoping is with this land finally spoiled (and there's been a prediction for a third spirit dragon land for a while now) is they they will finally give us the basics and or any other lands.
Here's a larger version of the art
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We just got Sarkhan...... But no there is no more room for planeswalkers in this set.
However Ugin might just be needed on Zendikar. It'd be slightly weird for him to be in two blocks in a row, but it certainly makes sense
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I thought it was pretty much a given that there will be no enemy fetches in DTK ever since they announced Battle for Zendikar, it makes a whole lot more sense to reprint them in a Zendikar set.
It will certainly help that the blocks are two sets only and will proceed faster than how they do now.
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didn't forget him, I meant outside of this block, that was the reasoning for it, if this block is the first time it would be a cool precedent, a new way to show story
A little bit too powerful perhaps, but I can see why they'd want to do that. Looks like a Ugin deck was put together for players to buy, and it's going to cost a LOT. But it'll actually be competitive, looks like. Not to mention the card is perfect in any Dragon deck, as-is.
Kinda makes you wonder why Treva even needed those Ruins at all!
EDIT: As an Elf, I must say, we Elves should have a land like this. Most of us are green anyway, but come on, we're the mana-fixers in this game, we should at least have an Elf land that fixes mana as well as the Slivers, Elementals, and Dragons do! Don't make us get our arrows!!
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Edit: As for all of this hype about dragons anyways....this seems likely to be a 6 month wonderdeck in the end, doesn't it? Since BFZ is likely to not have all too many dragons in it, it sort of means that the dragon deck from DTK won't likely stick around once standard flips around. Most other decks likely will be able to stick around and get new tricks....I guess that's the risk with tribal decks, you likely won't get much more support once that tribal set/block is done.
I don't understand... an Ugin deck? I don't think "Dragugins" will be a player in standard... though dragon cards for EDH have been skyrocketing.
Also, elves do have a Elf-land, it's called place where all the elves live and can be cast from. If you're worried about neat effects, Gaea's Cradle and Pendlehaven have that locked up pretty tightly. Temple Garden basically casts every elf anyways, as the elvish race lie primarily in the Green and White slice of the color pie. There are a few exceptions, but because the whole color pie belongs to the races you mentioned I highly doubt that they would ever print an elf-specific land like you describe.
The only thing I like about this card is the flavor...
Now how about a surprise modern-times Ugin pw card in DTK?
How freaking amazing would that be? It would be so jaw droppingly awesome, that I'm sure Wizards could not possibly be involved with something so cool. Nobody is that cool...
Feel free to tell me yours!