So, the first time I read this card I thought it bolted when it was targeted. I just saw that it's "Dragons you control". That is quite literally, the nuts.
Unless if Dragon tribal becomes a thing, I still think that Ashcloud Phoenix will be better in Standard. This is still awesome though.
Agreed, as long as stoke is a played card in the format, ashcloud seems better. If for some reason stoke falls out of favor and we start seeing more abzan charms/other exiling effects, then this guy will be better (aka post rotation). He's good just not quite there right now.
Eh. If they stoke him you still get some damage out of the deal and get the stoke out of their hand for when you play stormbreath next turn.
Not to mention that ashcloud "dies" to nearly every removal spell in the format. Ash cloud might be better against agressive decks as you are more likely to get a chance to block but if you are an aggressive deck then 3 direct damage in the late game is often better than a 2/2.
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This is one of the best 4 drops I have seen since Rhino. $10-15 rare.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
People dont remember Desecreation Demon? this its worse
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This is one of the best 4 drops I have seen since Rhino. $10-15 rare.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
If its good in standard and is on high demand, wouldn't price rise? Consider Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Was worth over $24 before DD reprint and she doesn't really have a home outside standard and EDH.
This is one of the best 4 drops I have seen since Rhino. $10-15 rare.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
If its good in standard and is on high demand, wouldn't price rise? Consider Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Was worth over $24 before DD reprint and she doesn't really have a home outside standard and EDH.
but elspeth is a mythic, and a planeswalker.
this dragons wont be bulk i guess. but 10-15$ are not realistic. not even siege rhino is that high, and we all know how much plays he sees not only in standard.
its pretty hard for a non-land rare to get over 5€ in a big standard legal set.
This is one of the best 4 drops I have seen since Rhino. $10-15 rare.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
People dont remember Desecreation Demon? this its worse
the difference is that this is a dragon, = more casual appeal, and this is mono-colored not multicolored. so he can get higher than butcher. but not over 10$ even if he sees good play.
This is one of the best 4 drops I have seen since Rhino. $10-15 rare.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
If its good in standard and is on high demand, wouldn't price rise? Consider Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Was worth over $24 before DD reprint and she doesn't really have a home outside standard and EDH.
but elspeth is a mythic, and a planeswalker.
this dragons wont be bulk i guess. but 10-15$ are not realistic. not even siege rhino is that high, and we all know how much plays he sees not only in standard.
its pretty hard for a non-land rare to get over 5€ in a big standard legal set.
Last time Akki_Akki checked, Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker is $10. His price will rise temporary due to dragon support until KTK and FRF rotate out.
Akki_Akki agree this new 4-mana dragon wouldn't reach too high of a price but $1 bin rare is an underestimate Akki_Akki thinks.
Just need a 2 drop (Dragon Hatchling) and a 3 drop dragon (Dragon Egg) in black or red then I will be complete
So close so close to dragon tribal
Don't forget crux of fate! I do hope the uncommon red or black dragon(s) are 2-3 cmc. Even a dragon Welkin tern would be amazing and probably a 4-of for dragon tempest insanity.
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I like this card a lot. It's good for dragon tribal and it's honestly pretty solid on it's own. Maybe it'll help make RUG midrange in standard a reality.
of course. would be unrealistic to get as high as tasigur.
there are mainly 2 reasons for that:
1. he wont see legacy and modern play
2. he is from a set which will get opened much more than fate reforged i guess.
so even if he sees as much standard play as rhino or tasigur, he will never be able to reach that high. if he gets a home in standard i expect him to be between 3$ and 5$
And Dragonmaster Outcast would be nice to have too, but wotc would probably consider him a flavor fail due to being a dragon master, and an outcast. Lol
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You know, I want to have a bunch of token copies of this guy on the field and I want someone to target one of them with a kill spell only for someone else to radiate the kill spell. That would be the best self destruct.
He might get that high for his life in standard, with a home, but long term he isn't gonna be much more than a buck. The obligatory bolt for target in is nice but unfortunately that will usually be the extent of the damage he gets through.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
And once again it's proven that lightning makes for better (read playable) dragons. Bananas in limited, could make it into standard too, I think. Disgusting if you have two or even more in play. downfall one of them? sure, take 6.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Hey, Kolaghan is amazing! He just wins games out of nowhere. An example from last FNM: turn 4, just 2 tokens in play. Opponent attacks, no blocks, cast Raise the Alarm at the end of turn. Untap, drop a land, Kolaghan for 13 (which would have been 9 with an empty board).
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Not to mention that ashcloud "dies" to nearly every removal spell in the format. Ash cloud might be better against agressive decks as you are more likely to get a chance to block but if you are an aggressive deck then 3 direct damage in the late game is often better than a 2/2.
WTF?? this a bulk rare of 1$, good in standard like butcher of the horde, and thats all
People dont remember Desecreation Demon? this its worse
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
If its good in standard and is on high demand, wouldn't price rise? Consider Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Was worth over $24 before DD reprint and she doesn't really have a home outside standard and EDH.
but elspeth is a mythic, and a planeswalker.
this dragons wont be bulk i guess. but 10-15$ are not realistic. not even siege rhino is that high, and we all know how much plays he sees not only in standard.
its pretty hard for a non-land rare to get over 5€ in a big standard legal set.
the difference is that this is a dragon, = more casual appeal, and this is mono-colored not multicolored. so he can get higher than butcher. but not over 10$ even if he sees good play.
This card should be good enough for standard but not Modern. Obvious chaff in eternal formats.
Edit: Not a money card either; decks will not play 4 of it often. Not a dollar rare, but not a $10 rare. Expect a price point in the $4-6 range.
Last time Akki_Akki checked, Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker is $10. His price will rise temporary due to dragon support until KTK and FRF rotate out.
Akki_Akki agree this new 4-mana dragon wouldn't reach too high of a price but $1 bin rare is an underestimate Akki_Akki thinks.
Don't forget crux of fate! I do hope the uncommon red or black dragon(s) are 2-3 cmc. Even a dragon Welkin tern would be amazing and probably a 4-of for dragon tempest insanity.
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there are mainly 2 reasons for that:
1. he wont see legacy and modern play
2. he is from a set which will get opened much more than fate reforged i guess.
so even if he sees as much standard play as rhino or tasigur, he will never be able to reach that high. if he gets a home in standard i expect him to be between 3$ and 5$
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WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
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Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
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GBW Ghave
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Before we had Lightning Dragon which made you pay twice.
No firebreathing but who cares. IT DOESN'T COST 5!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs around naked in the streets*
Tribal was dropped by R&D when doing innistrad. I doubt it will be back.
Nice card, should see some play, be it in mono red or in some new dragon deck. That red enchantment spoiled yesterday surely helps.
Hey, Kolaghan is amazing! He just wins games out of nowhere. An example from last FNM: turn 4, just 2 tokens in play. Opponent attacks, no blocks, cast Raise the Alarm at the end of turn. Untap, drop a land, Kolaghan for 13 (which would have been 9 with an empty board).