This should be printed in paper, with reserve list cards done in gold border.
I think Mercadian will be next, as it really, really has supply issues online and isn't a good draft format (although MMN is OK, MNP is bad and the collated packs are worse). Best of all, Mercadian Remastered can be printed in paper in full too.
Flavor-wise, I find it interesting to single out Tempest block. It's not the first big block, nor is it the most famous or infamous old block. It's a great block, don't get me wrong, but you'd think if they were starting a "Remastered" series they'd start at Ice Age or at the very least Mirage.
WOTC has a track history of reminding us of elements from the past before returning them. For example:
- Phyrexians were off the radar until Duel Decks: Phyrexia vs. The Coalition brought them back (March 2010). Sure enough, Oct 2010 brought Scars of Mirrodin and the return of (new) Phyrexians.
- Modern Masters chose two Alara planeswalkers, Elspeth and Sarkhan. Guess who the main characters of the next two blocks were? (Theros and Khans)
I'm just saying, necro-ing an old setting randomly like this could hint at a return there.
They specifically said that it was an excuse to get people into Legacy. Wasteland is extremely expensive on MTGO and most Legacy decks require a playset, which makes them, on average, the most expensive card you'll need (since Force is down to $30ish and whatnot, though Daze remains way expensive).
On top of that, this block in particular has several powerful Legacy cards that can't see reprints because of the Reserve List (such as Aluren, Mox Diamond, Hatred and City of Traitors).
So, IMO, with the success of Vintage Masters they decided to pick one of the first blocks really designed with Limited in mind (to make for a fun draft experience) and chock full of powerful Reserved cards (to get them into the MTGO Legacy pool) and decided to remaster that instead of doing an all out Legacy Masters.
To be honest, I kind of like this approach. It makes for a more interesting draft experience and still gets playables out.
It's a great block, don't get me wrong, but you'd think if they were starting a "Remastered" series they'd start at Ice Age or at the very least Mirage.
Ice Age would be a great block to remaster as it's currently a hole in MTGO. There's the really spotty coverage from the Coldsnap theme decks and a few cards in the Masters Editions, but it's mostly been skipped over.
Besides, they can't return to Rath because Rath doesn't exist anymore.
I mean, to be fair, Phyrexia didn't exist anymore. We might not get a return to Rath itself but the return of one of the concepts in Tempest block, who knows. I just imagine there's more than one reason behind this decision than the reprinting of a single card.
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On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
I just wonder if Hasbro shareholders are aware of the Reserved List. Not printing this amazing set seems to me as a huge opportunity going down the drain...
I would love to have a foil Ertai, Mind Over Matter and Aluren...
As someone who couldn't play Vintage Masters due to my job ending around that time, this is going to be the reason I finally pick up MTGO. Plus, I've got a few predictions:
Wasteland will be a Mythic. I'm really hoping for rare (Uncommon is way out) but knowing Wizards, I wouldn't be too surprised. Although they have pleasantly surprised me before (This announcement for example).
It will also have the promo art. Just my personal preference, but they didn't rule out already existing promo arts, so I can believe.
Lotus Petal as a rare. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an uncommon, but it makes more sense as a rare to me for drafting (Can't let those turn 1 or 2 Sliver Queens happen)
It's a great block, don't get me wrong, but you'd think if they were starting a "Remastered" series they'd start at Ice Age or at the very least Mirage.
Ice Age would be a great block to remaster as it's currently a hole in MTGO. There's the really spotty coverage from the Coldsnap theme decks and a few cards in the Masters Editions, but it's mostly been skipped over.
For the curious, there are 191 cards from Ice Age and Alliances that are not available online, plus 15 commons that are not Pauper legal (because they were printed in Masters Editions at higher rarities or Timeshifted or whatever). Obviously they wouldn't all be in Ice Age Remastered (there is a reason they weren't in Masters Edition after all) but it would be a great way to trim that number down.
Besides, they can't return to Rath because Rath doesn't exist anymore.
I mean, to be fair, Phyrexia didn't exist anymore. We might not get a return to Rath itself but the return of one of the concepts in Tempest block, who knows. I just imagine there's more than one reason behind this decision than the reprinting of a single card.
What concepts are you thinking of? I very much doubt there will ever be a "New Rath" the way there's a New Phyrexia; that story has been told already. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek by saying this is all about Wasteland but I do think the choice of Tempest was due to the desirability of cards for Legacy and Vintage in that block. Particularly cards that were not in Vintage Masters, Mirage has Lion's Eye Diamond and Alliances has Force of Will but those are both much cheaper online than they used to be because of VMA. Tempest is a good block to showcase this idea, and they can later up the ante by doing an Ice Age Remastered to bring new cards online or a Mercadia Remasquered that's also printed in paper or whatever.
We might not get a return to Rath itself but the return of one of the concepts in Tempest block, who knows. I just imagine there's more than one reason behind this decision than the reprinting of a single card.
If the MTGO service was free and I could just buy packs/cards when I felt like it and when cool stuff like this is released I wouldn't mind it so much but having to pay a subscription stinks.
Err....
MTGO doesn't have a subscription fee. There is a $10 entry fee, which I believe gets you around $10 in EV, and then it doesn't cost anything except what you decide to pay for specifically.
I did not realize this. Maybe I'll join then. Maybe I just overlooked it but considering subscriptions are so popular they might want to bluntly state that the fee is a one-time-only deal to start playing
Unlike in paper, there aren't enough money cards in this to make it worthwhile. It's like Master's Edition 1, where FOW was worth something, and the rest of the set was worthless. Here you'll have Wasteland worth a lot, city of traitors worth a lot, and a bunch of cards worth not a lot.
I don't see the point of promoting cards to Mythic, especially in a block with so many awful cards.
As long as there are 15 Mythic-quality cards I don't see how the number of awful cards is relevant. The whole point of remastering it is to remove as many awful cards as possible. They're trying to build a modern-style set and that means it has Mythics.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Flavor-wise, I find it interesting to single out Tempest block. It's not the first big block, nor is it the most famous or infamous old block. It's a great block, don't get me wrong, but you'd think if they were starting a "Remastered" series they'd start at Ice Age or at the very least Mirage.
WOTC has a track history of reminding us of elements from the past before returning them. For example:
- Phyrexians were off the radar until Duel Decks: Phyrexia vs. The Coalition brought them back (March 2010). Sure enough, Oct 2010 brought Scars of Mirrodin and the return of (new) Phyrexians.
- Modern Masters chose two Alara planeswalkers, Elspeth and Sarkhan. Guess who the main characters of the next two blocks were? (Theros and Khans)
I'm just saying, necro-ing an old setting randomly like this could hint at a return there.
Weatherlight wasn't mechanically coherent with Mirage and Visions, so Tempest was the first "big block" as we think of blocks today.
Yeah I'm just worried things like Intuition and Wasteland will be mythics for absolutely no reason.
I could maaaaaaaybe see them bumping Intuition up to Mythic, but I doubt it.
It's really good, but not so good it ruins drafts-
it's much better in Constructed compared to Limited.
Wasteland is practically guaranteed to be a Rare (or maybe even an Uncommon like it originally was),
but they would not make that Mythic since it's one of the main reasons for releasing the set at all.
Another shoe-in Mythic I forgot earlier is Aluren.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I just wonder if Hasbro shareholders are aware of the Reserved List. Not printing this amazing set seems to me as a huge opportunity going down the drain...
I would love to have a foil Ertai, Mind Over Matter and Aluren...
It'll happen at some point, problem some relatively near point. WOTC's always had an easy out on the RL list. All they have to do is print the "Reserved cards" as full art cards without text. They can even modify the rules to then permit proxies so long as they're officially printed, have no text, and have the correct casting cost. Reserved list bypassed, cards reprinted, and they're tournament legal. The reserve list only covers reprinting cards, there's no guarantees that WOTC won't print "Proxies".
Full-art cards would in no way circumvent the reserved list. As long as the card has the same name, all other characteristics of the cards follow.
It's not as if the full art version of Lightning Bolt can't be countered by Dispel just because it doesn't say "Instant" anywhere on the card:-)
But of course, if you are talkin "modifying" the reserved list, then they can do whatever they please of course. I'm still of the opinion that Modern and Magic Online are the nails in the coffin for reserved list repeal. They hava a non-rotating format they can support in paper without violating the reserved list, and they have an online platform where people can experience playing with reserved list cards.
Very disappointed that this isn't paper, but maybe it's just not possible to milk Tempest block for enough non-RL rares / mythics to make a paper version of the block viable.
However, if Tempest Remastered is successful online, I think that everything including and after Masques block could get the paper treatment. A Mirrodin / SoM block combo set would be an amazing way to lead into Mirrodin 3, and a Ravnica / RtR block combo set would be an amazing way to lead into Ravnica 3. Invasion Remastered would also be awesome.
People are overlooking the "We are redesigning this for limited" aspect of it. The reason to update rarities and how they are choosing cards is all for the best limited environments. They aren't making cards mythics "just as a cash grab".
People are overlooking the "We are redesigning this for limited" aspect of it. The reason to update rarities and how they are choosing cards is all for the best limited environments. They aren't making cards mythics "just as a cash grab".
um, now rumor section is humor section
mythic has nothing to do with magic, and was first in other games (who have no limited play aspect), dont fool yourself, mythic is a cash grab thing, that also happen to have some positive things (mainly limited balance)
I think Mercadian will be next, as it really, really has supply issues online and isn't a good draft format (although MMN is OK, MNP is bad and the collated packs are worse). Best of all, Mercadian Remastered can be printed in paper in full too.
They specifically said that it was an excuse to get people into Legacy. Wasteland is extremely expensive on MTGO and most Legacy decks require a playset, which makes them, on average, the most expensive card you'll need (since Force is down to $30ish and whatnot, though Daze remains way expensive).
On top of that, this block in particular has several powerful Legacy cards that can't see reprints because of the Reserve List (such as Aluren, Mox Diamond, Hatred and City of Traitors).
So, IMO, with the success of Vintage Masters they decided to pick one of the first blocks really designed with Limited in mind (to make for a fun draft experience) and chock full of powerful Reserved cards (to get them into the MTGO Legacy pool) and decided to remaster that instead of doing an all out Legacy Masters.
To be honest, I kind of like this approach. It makes for a more interesting draft experience and still gets playables out.
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
Ice Age would be a great block to remaster as it's currently a hole in MTGO. There's the really spotty coverage from the Coldsnap theme decks and a few cards in the Masters Editions, but it's mostly been skipped over.
I mean, to be fair, Phyrexia didn't exist anymore. We might not get a return to Rath itself but the return of one of the concepts in Tempest block, who knows. I just imagine there's more than one reason behind this decision than the reprinting of a single card.
On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
I would love to have a foil Ertai, Mind Over Matter and Aluren...
Wasteland will be a Mythic. I'm really hoping for rare (Uncommon is way out) but knowing Wizards, I wouldn't be too surprised. Although they have pleasantly surprised me before (This announcement for example).
It will also have the promo art. Just my personal preference, but they didn't rule out already existing promo arts, so I can believe.
Lotus Petal as a rare. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an uncommon, but it makes more sense as a rare to me for drafting (Can't let those turn 1 or 2 Sliver Queens happen)
Jund
Kiki Chord
EDH:
Maelstrom Wanderer
Pauper:
Kuldotha Jeskai
For the curious, there are 191 cards from Ice Age and Alliances that are not available online, plus 15 commons that are not Pauper legal (because they were printed in Masters Editions at higher rarities or Timeshifted or whatever). Obviously they wouldn't all be in Ice Age Remastered (there is a reason they weren't in Masters Edition after all) but it would be a great way to trim that number down.
What concepts are you thinking of? I very much doubt there will ever be a "New Rath" the way there's a New Phyrexia; that story has been told already. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek by saying this is all about Wasteland but I do think the choice of Tempest was due to the desirability of cards for Legacy and Vintage in that block. Particularly cards that were not in Vintage Masters, Mirage has Lion's Eye Diamond and Alliances has Force of Will but those are both much cheaper online than they used to be because of VMA. Tempest is a good block to showcase this idea, and they can later up the ante by doing an Ice Age Remastered to bring new cards online or a Mercadia Remasquered that's also printed in paper or whatever.
Shadow , Buyback, Licids?
I did not realize this. Maybe I'll join then. Maybe I just overlooked it but considering subscriptions are so popular they might want to bluntly state that the fee is a one-time-only deal to start playing
And while I have personally enjoyed MTGO quite a bit, I should note that playing in moderation may turn out to be harder than you'd expect.
Interested in Custom Card Creation.
My Cube:Cardinal Custom Cube
A custom version of a third modern masters: MM2019
(filter->rarity to see in set rarity).
As long as there are 15 Mythic-quality cards I don't see how the number of awful cards is relevant. The whole point of remastering it is to remove as many awful cards as possible. They're trying to build a modern-style set and that means it has Mythics.
Those are safe bets, as are Mox Diamond, Sliver Queen, Volrath's Stronghold, and maybe Survival of the Fittest and Dream Halls.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Weatherlight wasn't mechanically coherent with Mirage and Visions, so Tempest was the first "big block" as we think of blocks today.
Yeah I'm just worried things like Intuition and Wasteland will be mythics for absolutely no reason.
I could maaaaaaaybe see them bumping Intuition up to Mythic, but I doubt it.
It's really good, but not so good it ruins drafts-
it's much better in Constructed compared to Limited.
Wasteland is practically guaranteed to be a Rare (or maybe even an Uncommon like it originally was),
but they would not make that Mythic since it's one of the main reasons for releasing the set at all.
Another shoe-in Mythic I forgot earlier is Aluren.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
It'll happen at some point, problem some relatively near point. WOTC's always had an easy out on the RL list. All they have to do is print the "Reserved cards" as full art cards without text. They can even modify the rules to then permit proxies so long as they're officially printed, have no text, and have the correct casting cost. Reserved list bypassed, cards reprinted, and they're tournament legal. The reserve list only covers reprinting cards, there's no guarantees that WOTC won't print "Proxies".
It's not as if the full art version of Lightning Bolt can't be countered by Dispel just because it doesn't say "Instant" anywhere on the card:-)
But of course, if you are talkin "modifying" the reserved list, then they can do whatever they please of course. I'm still of the opinion that Modern and Magic Online are the nails in the coffin for reserved list repeal. They hava a non-rotating format they can support in paper without violating the reserved list, and they have an online platform where people can experience playing with reserved list cards.
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However, if Tempest Remastered is successful online, I think that everything including and after Masques block could get the paper treatment. A Mirrodin / SoM block combo set would be an amazing way to lead into Mirrodin 3, and a Ravnica / RtR block combo set would be an amazing way to lead into Ravnica 3. Invasion Remastered would also be awesome.
um, now rumor section is humor section
mythic has nothing to do with magic, and was first in other games (who have no limited play aspect), dont fool yourself, mythic is a cash grab thing, that also happen to have some positive things (mainly limited balance)