Release Date: May 6, 2015 (This is a Magic Online-only set)
Release Events: Magic Online will be hosting events for the three weeks that Tempest Remastered is on sale, May 6–27, 2015
Official Three-Letter Code: TPR
Twitter Hashtag: #MTGTPR
Initial Concept and Game Design: Adam Prosak (lead) and Dan Emmons
Final Game Design and Development: Ian Duke (lead) Bryan Hawley, Tom LaPille, and Ryan Spain
Original Tempest Block Game Design: Charlie Catman, Mike Elliott, Richard Garfield, William Jockusch, Joel Mick, Bill Rose, Mark Rosewater, and Henry Stern
Original Tempest Block World Development: Anson Maddocks, Jesper Myrfors, Mark Rosewater, Michael G. Ryan, Mark Tedin, Pete Venters, Anthony Waters, and Matthew Wilson
Magic Online Product Manager: Mike Turian
Magic Online Design Team: Ryan Spain (manager), Allison Medwin (editor), and James Sooy
Magic Online Software Engineers: Matt Gregory (lead), Adam Balk, Chris Haukap, Alexis Janson, Stacy Smyth (outside consultant), Ryan Printz, and Pete White
Magic Online Technical Artist: Jesse Raymond
Magic Online Card Set Project Manager: Aaron McLin
Quality Assurance Lead: Eli Shapiro
Quality Assurance SDET: Chris Proehl
Release Language: English-Only (This is a Magic Online-only set)
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
Akki_Akki wonder if you aware of Reserved List. Akki_Akki personally hate Reserved List for reasons on why things like Tempest Remastered can't be paper.
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
Akki_Akki wonder if you aware of Reserved List. Akki_Akki personally hate Reserved List for reasons on why things like Tempest Remastered can't be paper.
The Reserved List would have no impact on Mirrodin: Remastered and/or Zendikar: Remastered. Even with it, a "Tempest: Remastered" paper version would still be possible, though some cards would be off-limits.
Heck, they could even use similar cards to replace Reserve List cards. Survival of the Fittest is on the list, but Fauna Shaman is not, and offers the same effect while still maintaining a flavor-neutral feel.
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
Akki_Akki wonder if you aware of Reserved List. Akki_Akki personally hate Reserved List for reasons on why things like Tempest Remastered can't be paper.
The Reserved List would have no impact on Mirrodin: Remastered and/or Zendikar: Remastered. Even with it, a "Tempest: Remastered" paper version would still be possible, though some cards would be off-limits.
Heck, they could even use similar cards to replace Reserve List cards. Survival of the Fittest is on the list, but Fauna Shaman is not, and offers the same effect while still maintaining a flavor-neutral feel.
Akki_Akki thinks...
From Limited Edition to Urza's Destiny there are cards that cannot be reprinted.
If Tempest did get repriented on paper, it would exclude following:
Akki_Akki is just pointing out that from Limited Edition to Urza's Destiny there are cards that could not be reprinted on paper. Not that they couldn't do Zendikar Remastered but they couldn't do Stronghold Remastered.
They did do something like the all foil alara block packs that were a huge ripoff. I bet they won't do something like a Zendikar remastered or Innistrad remastered because they saw how the alara foil booster didn't sell well, therefore they think something like this won't work, without realizing that people don't like buying $10+ boosters. Which begs the question, Modern Masters 2015?
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
Didn't they try that with Alara and failed?
I wouldn't have failed if it was $3.99, not $11.99. It also didn't have to be all foil.
As for an all foil pack, I would rather pay $3.99 for a 6 card pack rather than $10+ for a 15 card pack.
I bet a $3.99 not all-foil pack containing all the cards from a single block would actually sell than this $11.99 all foil alara pack.
As I said, really only 2 things. Either they remove the all foilness, or they just make it all foil, and cut the packs down to 6 cards.
People would pay $10+ for a booster pack if and only if they wanted it badly. Other than that, the all foil alara pack failed, well $11.99.
Of course what I said was the reason why I never bought these.
It isn't like people really want to do an all foil draft or all foil sealed that badly. If they wanted an all foil draft, they'd gladly pay $36.97 for 3 of those all foil alara packs.
If they did do a paper remastered of an old block, it can't be too old. It depends if it is for modern or standard. If standard, it would consist of the block that is a year old from the new block, meaning that for a 6 set standard, it would consist of the oldest of 3 blocks. If it was for modern, it would be released when the block already rotated out of standard. I guess it could also be released just before the block leaves standard, in such a way that this remastered set is standard legal for half a year.
One example that I could put in release terms is:
Blood released in September 2015
Sweat released in January 2016
Tears released in March 2016
Blood+Sweat remastered released in May 2016
Fears released in July 2016
Lock released in September 2016
Tears+Fears remastered released in November 2016
Stock released in January 2017
Barrel released in March 2017 and Blood + Sweat rotates
Lock+stock remastered released in May 2017
Monkeys released in July 2017
Ham released in September 2017 and Tears + Fears rotates.
To summarize, the large set lasts 8 months before remastered is released. Small set lasts 4 months before remastered released. Remastered version lasts 10 months before rotation.
The cool thing about doing a remastered is that the 3 packs you start with isn't guaranteed to be 30 cards from large set and 15 cards from small set.
If small sets contain 165 cards and large sets contain 249 cards, I am pretty sure drafting experience will be different if the 3 packs came from a single pool of 414 cards. Even if the set was too large, they could trim down the set by removing cards that don't work or aren't good in limited. This way, when they release the actual large set, or small set, they don't have to limit themselves by omitting cards that don't work in limited because they have this remastered reprint set.
They did do something like the all foil alara block packs that were a huge ripoff. I bet they won't do something like a Zendikar remastered or Innistrad remastered because they saw how the alara foil booster didn't sell well, therefore they think something like this won't work, without realizing that people don't like buying $10+ boosters. Which begs the question, Modern Masters 2015?
I don't know. I think that all foil packs of the set with the most expensive fetchlands wouldn't sell well. Of course, it would depend on the MSRP, but I'd bet the packs would sell out when you have a decent chance at foil fetches, along with someothergoodies.
A non-foil version re-release would also definitely sell like hotcakes, as long as the MSPR was normal and the fetchlands don't get reprinted in a normal expansion. But Wizards probably won't do it. MTGO gets all the fun stuff.
They did do something like the all foil alara block packs that were a huge ripoff. I bet they won't do something like a Zendikar remastered or Innistrad remastered because they saw how the alara foil booster didn't sell well, therefore they think something like this won't work, without realizing that people don't like buying $10+ boosters. Which begs the question, Modern Masters 2015?
I don't know. I think that all foil packs of the set with the most expensive fetchlands wouldn't sell well. Of course, it would depend on the MSRP, but I'd bet the packs would sell out when you have a decent chance at foil fetches, along with someothergoodies.
A non-foil version re-release would also definitely sell like hotcakes, as long as the MSPR was normal and the fetchlands don't get reprinted in a normal expansion. But Wizards probably won't do it. MTGO gets all the fun stuff.
I follow MTG, Pokemon, and Yugioh, and for a "insert block here" remastered, Yugioh does it all the time. When they release tins, they include 5 boosters from multiple sets, but the most recent one, rather than release 5 packs from different sets, they released this mega pack that came from the combined and trimmed down cardpool from multiple latest set. Yugioh also tends to reprint things in paper more often than MTG does.
With core sets going the way of the dodo, and standard legal reprint sets going the way of the dodo, doing a reprint remastered set is a great idea, where they reprint the entire block, well maybe some of the block in one set 4 months after the second set would be released.
I also saw arguments in the Magic Origins thread stating how fetching for planeswalkers won't work because of limited. Even if my idea of a remastered set won't contain Magic Origins anyway, if there was a cool flavorful mechanic that can't be done because of limited, with the remastered set, these flavorful mechanic cards can be printed in the main set, but omitted in the remastered set.
The problem with full-block boosters has always been that the pool of cards is so large that with random boosters it's very likely that a certain common will not be opened in majority of drafts. This might not sound too bad, but try drafting Rebels when sudedenly the searchers are twice as rare, or try drafting White Weenies when you cannot know if you ever see an Empyrial Armor. Also balancing common runs with full block would be pretty insane task.
This is why paring the chaff out of the blocks to get a nice drafting environment is a great idea for the older sets, where the draft format has not been fine tuned by R&D already. For newer sets this would be much more akin to old basic sets. In cutting an already balanced draft format to smaller sub-set would propably be drafted for few weeks before actually new cards would be much more impressive.
Naturally WotC could make those boosters sell, by putting all the high value cards into them, but then the value would plummet, as people would be opening them just to sell singles. I think that in the long run it's much betetr for WotC to be patient and slowly reprint cards in Modern Masters and box sets, as this allows the players to believe that their collection will have some further value down the road.
And as for the Alara-block foil packs. I drafted the format three times, and while almost always one would find maybe 15$ worth of value in the drafted cards (and sometimes much more), the format was really bad. The balance of having way too many of some cards show up in the same draft, like 11 Alara Reborn Naya Hushblades in one draft or just never having any Panoramas in another draft, made the experience not too fun. In the last draft all players were aiming for 4-5 colors and format reminded me of basic set drafts with the older basic sets (revised to 6th) where there's usually 2-5 playable cards in a booster and then nothing else. In short each deck felt like we had drafted three or four six card boosters and then made 40 card decks, but had to fill 10 slots by the nearly unplayable Onyx Goblets and Vectis Dominators. Drawing the wrong half of your deck always made playing feel bad, doubly so if your opponent drew the better part of their deck.
Back to OP, I like the Tempest Remastered idea, but I doubt that WotC is willing to do this to newer sets. But if this works, Mirage block will most likely get the same treatment, and maybe WotC will try Urza's block and even more unlikely MAsques-block as remastered environments. I doubt that there's any need to start remastering something like Time Spiral-block.
I am excited. Tempest-block was the time when I was the most active as a Magic player, and I'm thrilled to be able to revisit.
I guess they figured that drafts are a nice way to introduce more old cards to Magic Online, but they also realized that old draft-formats aren't really up to today's standards. To up the number of drafts that would fire they did the whole remastering thing. Sounds correct and clever.
I am hoping that Tempest Remastered does well, so they continue with these. I'd love to be able to both revisit old favourites and explore the blocks I missed during my hiatus.
Fingers and everything else crossed, if the "[block] Remastered" series becomes a thing and they all start selling really well, by the time they get into the non-reserved stuff we could actually see some of these in paper.
Might be fun to see a paper Ravnica Remastered, where they distill the best of both blocks into one set. They'd probably want to wait a couple more years on that, but I could see it coming out in place of Modern Masters 3 or 4. It wouldn't work quite so well with Mirrodin; you either have to chop out the Phyrexian parts entirely, or you have to cut the first block more heavily than the second to make poison draftable. In the long run, if they keep returning to planes every few years, there could be more of these. If they do it by plane instead of by set, they could also throw in some of the core set cards that belong to the plane in question.
Very, VERY curious what cards will be put into the Mythic slot? And let's have some speculation on the "Remastered" part... does this mean new wordings for the cards? Creature type updates? New art? Tokens? New flavor text? A "new" planeswalker that is set appropriate?
I think a paper Mirrodin Remastered (Mirrodin-New Phyrexia) or Ravinca Remastered would be awesome. Put these in place of the outgoing Coreset period, and sell them at normal booster prices. I think we'll have a winner here.
Very, VERY curious what cards will be put into the Mythic slot? And let's have some speculation on the "Remastered" part... does this mean new wordings for the cards? Creature type updates? New art? Tokens? New flavor text? A "new" planeswalker that is set appropriate?
One reason why I mention doing a remastered of fairly new sets was because WOTC just doesn't like to reprint old sets, if you know what I mean. It feels like they cringe at the fact that collectors would cringe when their valuable cards' value plummets.
I also mention the remastered set would be made for limited and is all about limited. The problem with limited is that you can't make certain awesome flavorful mechanics work because of limited. With the remastered set, they can include the flavorful, not work in limited, cards in the main set, and remove these cards in the remastered set. I also said that 414 cards may be too much, so they could trim it down to 250 cards or something.
If not a $3.99 15 card booster, then a $3.99 6 card all foil booster instead.
I love MTGO and think it's a wonderful platform for playing MTG. Having said that, I REALLY dislike these "online-only" sets that won't ever see print. This is so disappointing.
I'm asking Mark Rosewater if something similar is possible in paper. Something like Mirrodin: Remastered or Zendikar: Remastered would make a neat drafting set every other year as opposed to Modern Masters year after year.
Didn't they try that with Alara and failed?
Really expensive, all-foil, not curated. What I suggested is radically different.
Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/announcing-tempest-remastered-2015-02-23
- Main Cube
- No Brains, All Feelings Cube
Akki_Akki wonder if you aware of Reserved List. Akki_Akki personally hate Reserved List for reasons on why things like Tempest Remastered can't be paper.
The Reserved List would have no impact on Mirrodin: Remastered and/or Zendikar: Remastered. Even with it, a "Tempest: Remastered" paper version would still be possible, though some cards would be off-limits.
Heck, they could even use similar cards to replace Reserve List cards. Survival of the Fittest is on the list, but Fauna Shaman is not, and offers the same effect while still maintaining a flavor-neutral feel.
- Main Cube
- No Brains, All Feelings Cube
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
Akki_Akki thinks...
From Limited Edition to Urza's Destiny there are cards that cannot be reprinted.
If Tempest did get repriented on paper, it would exclude following:
Akki_Akki is just pointing out that from Limited Edition to Urza's Destiny there are cards that could not be reprinted on paper. Not that they couldn't do Zendikar Remastered but they couldn't do Stronghold Remastered.
Because reasons? Akki_Akki stumped.
Didn't they try that with Alara and failed?
I wouldn't have failed if it was $3.99, not $11.99. It also didn't have to be all foil.
As for an all foil pack, I would rather pay $3.99 for a 6 card pack rather than $10+ for a 15 card pack.
I bet a $3.99 not all-foil pack containing all the cards from a single block would actually sell than this $11.99 all foil alara pack.
As I said, really only 2 things. Either they remove the all foilness, or they just make it all foil, and cut the packs down to 6 cards.
People would pay $10+ for a booster pack if and only if they wanted it badly. Other than that, the all foil alara pack failed, well $11.99.
Of course what I said was the reason why I never bought these.
It isn't like people really want to do an all foil draft or all foil sealed that badly. If they wanted an all foil draft, they'd gladly pay $36.97 for 3 of those all foil alara packs.
If they did do a paper remastered of an old block, it can't be too old. It depends if it is for modern or standard. If standard, it would consist of the block that is a year old from the new block, meaning that for a 6 set standard, it would consist of the oldest of 3 blocks. If it was for modern, it would be released when the block already rotated out of standard. I guess it could also be released just before the block leaves standard, in such a way that this remastered set is standard legal for half a year.
One example that I could put in release terms is:
Blood released in September 2015
Sweat released in January 2016
Tears released in March 2016
Blood+Sweat remastered released in May 2016
Fears released in July 2016
Lock released in September 2016
Tears+Fears remastered released in November 2016
Stock released in January 2017
Barrel released in March 2017 and Blood + Sweat rotates
Lock+stock remastered released in May 2017
Monkeys released in July 2017
Ham released in September 2017 and Tears + Fears rotates.
To summarize, the large set lasts 8 months before remastered is released. Small set lasts 4 months before remastered released. Remastered version lasts 10 months before rotation.
The cool thing about doing a remastered is that the 3 packs you start with isn't guaranteed to be 30 cards from large set and 15 cards from small set.
If small sets contain 165 cards and large sets contain 249 cards, I am pretty sure drafting experience will be different if the 3 packs came from a single pool of 414 cards. Even if the set was too large, they could trim down the set by removing cards that don't work or aren't good in limited. This way, when they release the actual large set, or small set, they don't have to limit themselves by omitting cards that don't work in limited because they have this remastered reprint set.
I don't know. I think that all foil packs of the set with the most expensive fetchlands wouldn't sell well. Of course, it would depend on the MSRP, but I'd bet the packs would sell out when you have a decent chance at foil fetches, along with some other goodies.
A non-foil version re-release would also definitely sell like hotcakes, as long as the MSPR was normal and the fetchlands don't get reprinted in a normal expansion. But Wizards probably won't do it. MTGO gets all the fun stuff.
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I follow MTG, Pokemon, and Yugioh, and for a "insert block here" remastered, Yugioh does it all the time. When they release tins, they include 5 boosters from multiple sets, but the most recent one, rather than release 5 packs from different sets, they released this mega pack that came from the combined and trimmed down cardpool from multiple latest set. Yugioh also tends to reprint things in paper more often than MTG does.
With core sets going the way of the dodo, and standard legal reprint sets going the way of the dodo, doing a reprint remastered set is a great idea, where they reprint the entire block, well maybe some of the block in one set 4 months after the second set would be released.
I also saw arguments in the Magic Origins thread stating how fetching for planeswalkers won't work because of limited. Even if my idea of a remastered set won't contain Magic Origins anyway, if there was a cool flavorful mechanic that can't be done because of limited, with the remastered set, these flavorful mechanic cards can be printed in the main set, but omitted in the remastered set.
This is why paring the chaff out of the blocks to get a nice drafting environment is a great idea for the older sets, where the draft format has not been fine tuned by R&D already. For newer sets this would be much more akin to old basic sets. In cutting an already balanced draft format to smaller sub-set would propably be drafted for few weeks before actually new cards would be much more impressive.
Naturally WotC could make those boosters sell, by putting all the high value cards into them, but then the value would plummet, as people would be opening them just to sell singles. I think that in the long run it's much betetr for WotC to be patient and slowly reprint cards in Modern Masters and box sets, as this allows the players to believe that their collection will have some further value down the road.
And as for the Alara-block foil packs. I drafted the format three times, and while almost always one would find maybe 15$ worth of value in the drafted cards (and sometimes much more), the format was really bad. The balance of having way too many of some cards show up in the same draft, like 11 Alara Reborn Naya Hushblades in one draft or just never having any Panoramas in another draft, made the experience not too fun. In the last draft all players were aiming for 4-5 colors and format reminded me of basic set drafts with the older basic sets (revised to 6th) where there's usually 2-5 playable cards in a booster and then nothing else. In short each deck felt like we had drafted three or four six card boosters and then made 40 card decks, but had to fill 10 slots by the nearly unplayable Onyx Goblets and Vectis Dominators. Drawing the wrong half of your deck always made playing feel bad, doubly so if your opponent drew the better part of their deck.
Back to OP, I like the Tempest Remastered idea, but I doubt that WotC is willing to do this to newer sets. But if this works, Mirage block will most likely get the same treatment, and maybe WotC will try Urza's block and even more unlikely MAsques-block as remastered environments. I doubt that there's any need to start remastering something like Time Spiral-block.
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I guess they figured that drafts are a nice way to introduce more old cards to Magic Online, but they also realized that old draft-formats aren't really up to today's standards. To up the number of drafts that would fire they did the whole remastering thing. Sounds correct and clever.
I am hoping that Tempest Remastered does well, so they continue with these. I'd love to be able to both revisit old favourites and explore the blocks I missed during my hiatus.
Fingers and everything else crossed, if the "[block] Remastered" series becomes a thing and they all start selling really well, by the time they get into the non-reserved stuff we could actually see some of these in paper.
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Project: Khans of Tarkir Cube (cubetutor)
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
Buyback, Shadow, Flowstone, Slivers are a given. I wonder about Licids and Spikes.
Wondering if Akki-Akki is really Charles Barkley in disguise...
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Nope but that made Akki_Akki chuckle.
As for new Art Akki_Akki is aware that Bottle Gnomes got new artwork.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/announcing-tempest-remastered-2015-02-23
I also mention the remastered set would be made for limited and is all about limited. The problem with limited is that you can't make certain awesome flavorful mechanics work because of limited. With the remastered set, they can include the flavorful, not work in limited, cards in the main set, and remove these cards in the remastered set. I also said that 414 cards may be too much, so they could trim it down to 250 cards or something.
If not a $3.99 15 card booster, then a $3.99 6 card all foil booster instead.
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Project: Khans of Tarkir Cube (cubetutor)
Really expensive, all-foil, not curated. What I suggested is radically different.
- Main Cube
- No Brains, All Feelings Cube