There is no "new" Sarkhan, he was never born.
Old Sarkhan was transported back to where he begun his time travel
Cite this please, last uncharted realms leaves him flaking into dust and us clueless, as far as i'm aware. I do agree with you that Bolas is a very likely DTK walker, though.
I don't think we need another RG walker for the third block in a row (plus Sarkhan himself from Alara). I'd be fine with either a Temur or a Mardu Sarkhan. 5-color is a dream, but I feel it is a bit unlikely. Though it could fit the "Great Khan" or the "Dragonlord" flavor.
Second Walker could be an UW Narset or a random known Walker that showed up on Tarkir instead of Sorin because reasons
Sarkhan Vol disappeared into the time streams, swept away to an uncertain fate.
Why wouldnt sarkhan exist in a time altered future ? He can still hang out with the Mardu in the future. Still have some sort of a fight then head up the mountain and hang out with the temur shaman guys for abit.
He wouldnt get a spark to become a planeswalker.
He either wins the fight vs zurgo and becomes some sort of khan of the mardu or he has fully taken on the shamanism of the temur and potentially is lead the temur.
Im leaning towards he is the khan of temur though because Ainok Tracker (not sure how I can link the alt art version) Surrak is no longer Surrak Dragonclaw on this card
Thats just my take on it
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For people saying he doesn't do things the same way...
It was already confimed in a tumblr (or twitter?) that he, or someone that calls themselves Sarkhan, does. That he still goes to Alara, pledges himself to Bolas and ends up on Zendikar and has a hand with releasing the Eldrazi.
So, how cool an idea would it be if the Planeswalker rule did not apply to this Sarkhan? Is it even possible to make a rule (without using way too many words) which allows THIS Sarkhan to share the battlefield with another one, but only in that case? Perhaps:
"If you control Sarkhan, Unbroken, and one other Sarkhan Planeswalker not named Sarkhan, Unbroken, the Planeswalker Rule does not apply to these Sarkhan Planeswalkers."
It would be a lot easier to just make a newer Sarkhan have the subtype "Vol" instead of "Sarkhan." Why go to all the trouble of bending the rules and writing a bunch of unnecessary lines of text when there is already a simple, elegant solution in the rules? Not to mention, it would be fitting seeing as the name "Sarkhan" was a nickname given to him in jest by Bolas. They might not go with it, but I could certainly see them saying he is now just Vol, denouncing the nickname.
We have been told there will be no wedge cards in Dragons so WBR Sarkhan, RWU Narset and URG Sarkhan/Ramaz are off the table.
Personaly I hope we do G walker (not really keen for another Sarkhan I just want their to be more mono-green walkers since all we got atm is Nissa) and U Narset. That way I'd feel better about Sorin being BW...again.
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Also I dout Ramaz will be in the set. Only tie he has is he played a URG deck in DotP and that doesn't mean anything. Nissa was BG deck when we first met her.
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I belive that this sarkhan will be in fact the sarkhan that saved ugin, he will be a paradox: never born, but still exist. Since he existed outside of Tarkir, this might be the reason he still exist on the new timeline.
Chianul knows Sarkhan. He's aware of him. He was aware of the alternate timeline. According to the Guide to Tarkir he thought he needed to meet Sarkhan, but Narset ended up doing that and we never encountered him.
So, if Chianul thought he was gonna meet Sarkhan, and he knew about the alternate timeline, could it be that he was muddling the timelines in his visions? So, the "needed to meet Sarkhan" is only true now, after FRF. So he could show up as a Legendary character perhaps, and he may be helping Sarkhan sort out his mess in DTK.
His own words at the start of the KTK trailer: "I was never even born", as he finds himself back in a changed Tarkir.
Sarkhan is whom he has always been, a memory of himself happened in the multiverse but in Tarkir he never was, until he gets backlashed back in time.
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The scales and eyes makes me wonder if he's a half-dragon. Like, maybe this Sarkhan Vol was somehow engineered by Ugin to ensure his survival. Upon emerging from the Hedron stasis chamber with the help of Chekov's Sorin Markov, Ugin makes the storms spawn a human but the storm only gets it kinda right but close enough for Ugin anyway. Or something.
Assuming that each plane follows its own "many worlds" interpretation of quantum physics wherein one timeline is treated as the "alpha timeline," it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Khans of Tarkir was the initial alpha timeline and that Sarkhan had traveled to Alara and Zendikar beforehand. However, Sarkhan's journey into Tarkir's past rewrote its history and formed a "neo-alpha timeline" in the form of Dragons of Tarkir, while causing Khans to become a doomed offshoot timeline. That doesn't explain the temporal forces whisking him away upon saving Ugin, though.
But if we assume that fifth-dimensional travel is impossible and that temporal events are unchangeable, well... then absolutely nothing makes any sense at all.
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We have been told there will be no wedge cards in Dragons so WBR Sarkhan, RWU Narset and URG Sarkhan/Ramaz are off the table.
Personaly I hope we do G walker (not really keen for another Sarkhan I just want their to be more mono-green walkers since all we got atm is Nissa) and U Narset. That way I'd feel better about Sorin being BW...again.
EDIT:
Also I dout Ramaz will be in the set. Only tie he has is he played a URG deck in DotP and that doesn't mean anything. Nissa was BG deck when we first met her.
We have been told there will be no wedge cards in Dragons so WBR Sarkhan, RWU Narset and URG Sarkhan/Ramaz are off the table.
Personaly I hope we do G walker (not really keen for another Sarkhan I just want their to be more mono-green walkers since all we got atm is Nissa) and U Narset. That way I'd feel better about Sorin being BW...again.
EDIT:
Also I dout Ramaz will be in the set. Only tie he has is he played a URG deck in DotP and that doesn't mean anything. Nissa was BG deck when we first met her.
Actually, we were told that dragons wasn't a wedge set. That doesn't mean there won't be any wedge cards...
We have been told there will be no wedge cards in Dragons so WBR Sarkhan, RWU Narset and URG Sarkhan/Ramaz are off the table.
Personaly I hope we do G walker (not really keen for another Sarkhan I just want their to be more mono-green walkers since all we got atm is Nissa) and U Narset. That way I'd feel better about Sorin being BW...again.
EDIT:
Also I dout Ramaz will be in the set. Only tie he has is he played a URG deck in DotP and that doesn't mean anything. Nissa was BG deck when we first met her.
Yeah, but he said that *before* the one that I posted.
Indeed.
I would eat my hat if he is not Temur colored . There blue streak is so prominent, he is supposed to be sane now (blue being the color of knowledge, sanity, clarity), even his attire looks Temur-ish. And he has a common history with Temur in the Khan-Tarkir, and with Yasova in the Old Tarkir...
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I'm curious if he considers the mono-colored creatures with hybrid off-color activated abilities (e.g. Tasigur, Monastery Mentor, etc) to be "wedge" cards in any way. Strictly speaking, they aren't, but they are for, say, Commander purposes.
In any case, I don't think that a single wedge-colored planeswalker card at Mythic rarity would in any way disqualify DTK from "not being a wedge set". I'm just not so sure that Sarkhan is going to be that wedge-colored planeswalker (more because the storyline side of me doesn't really think it makes a ton of sense for Sarkhan to just come back willy-nilly as planeswalker who's just a little different from before). If Ugin does some spirit-dragon-y magic to pull Sarkhan from the lost time stream and reconstitute him in the current reality, that'd make a bit more sense -- and that may be what happens, seeing has Ugin seems to have a special connection to Sarkhan and that they've never actually had a proper interaction. If nothing else, they need to do something new with Sarkhan, whether it's making him into a new planeswalker or a legendary creature that gets him to have an actual conversation with Ugin and find out what the heck happened and how Ugin was reaching out to Sarkhan across time and death.
Khans block IS an LSL block, so it it possible that as a large set, that DTK will have 2 Walkers. Declaring that Narset has a spark is a Chekhov's gun. Not making her a Walker wouldn't make a lot of sense now.
I'd say having two walkers in DTK is not only possible, but assured. Blocks have always had five Walkers (even Lorwyn/Shadowmoor as a whole).
So, how cool an idea would it be if the Planeswalker rule did not apply to this Sarkhan? Is it even possible to make a rule (without using way too many words) which allows THIS Sarkhan to share the battlefield with another one, but only in that case? Perhaps:
"If you control Sarkhan, Unbroken, and one other Sarkhan Planeswalker not named Sarkhan, Unbroken, the Planeswalker Rule does not apply to these Sarkhan Planeswalkers."
I guess the simplest way to make this ruling work is to have the new Sarkhan not say "Planeswalker - Sarkhan" and instead give him a new name in that line. That way you can have only one of the new one, and an existing one at the same time.
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I'm curious if he considers the mono-colored creatures with hybrid off-color activated abilities (e.g. Tasigur, Monastery Mentor, etc) to be "wedge" cards in any way. Strictly speaking, they aren't, but they are for, say, Commander purposes.
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Khans block IS an LSL block, so it it possible that as a large set, that DTK will have 2 Walkers. Declaring that Narset has a spark is a Chekhov's gun. Not making her a Walker wouldn't make a lot of sense now.
I'd say having two walkers in DTK is not only possible, but assured. Blocks have always had five Walkers (even Lorwyn/Shadowmoor as a whole).
So, how cool an idea would it be if the Planeswalker rule did not apply to this Sarkhan? Is it even possible to make a rule (without using way too many words) which allows THIS Sarkhan to share the battlefield with another one, but only in that case? Perhaps:
"If you control Sarkhan, Unbroken, and one other Sarkhan Planeswalker not named Sarkhan, Unbroken, the Planeswalker Rule does not apply to these Sarkhan Planeswalkers."
I guess the simplest way to make this ruling work is to have the new Sarkhan not say "Planeswalker - Sarkhan" and instead give him a new name in that line. That way you can have only one of the new one, and an existing one at the same time.
In defense to MaRo, his video game analogy was probably just meant to primarily address the asker's last comment about rare cycles. That and the fact that most askers wanted a wedge block instead of a single wedge set.
On topic, I believe there will be some form of Sarkhan in DTK and I wouldn't be surprised to see him as RUG but when someone undergoes that much change... Any combination of R U G is possible. I welcome the thought of a Planeswalker in one of my favorite Wedges though.
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I'm curious if he considers the mono-colored creatures with hybrid off-color activated abilities (e.g. Tasigur, Monastery Mentor, etc) to be "wedge" cards in any way. Strictly speaking, they aren't, but they are for, say, Commander purposes.
In any case, I don't think that a single wedge-colored planeswalker card at Mythic rarity would in any way disqualify DTK from "not being a wedge set".
Except there were people moaning that Worldwake was "too much multicolor" when all it had was Wrexial, Novablast Wurm, the manlands, and the Loam Lion cycle as the only remotely multicolored cards in the set. I'm pretty sure those same people raised a stink when Sarkhan the Mad was spoiled as the only multicolored card in Rise of the Eldrazi, as well.
You bring up some good points, thank you for clearing that up.
Cite this please, last uncharted realms leaves him flaking into dust and us clueless, as far as i'm aware. I do agree with you that Bolas is a very likely DTK walker, though.
Second Walker could be an UW Narset or a random known Walker that showed up on Tarkir instead of Sorin because reasons
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Why wouldnt sarkhan exist in a time altered future ? He can still hang out with the Mardu in the future. Still have some sort of a fight then head up the mountain and hang out with the temur shaman guys for abit.
He wouldnt get a spark to become a planeswalker.
He either wins the fight vs zurgo and becomes some sort of khan of the mardu or he has fully taken on the shamanism of the temur and potentially is lead the temur.
Im leaning towards he is the khan of temur though because
Ainok Tracker (not sure how I can link the alt art version) Surrak is no longer Surrak Dragonclaw on this card
Thats just my take on it
edit: picture nath'ed
It was already confimed in a tumblr (or twitter?) that he, or someone that calls themselves Sarkhan, does. That he still goes to Alara, pledges himself to Bolas and ends up on Zendikar and has a hand with releasing the Eldrazi.
It would be a lot easier to just make a newer Sarkhan have the subtype "Vol" instead of "Sarkhan." Why go to all the trouble of bending the rules and writing a bunch of unnecessary lines of text when there is already a simple, elegant solution in the rules? Not to mention, it would be fitting seeing as the name "Sarkhan" was a nickname given to him in jest by Bolas. They might not go with it, but I could certainly see them saying he is now just Vol, denouncing the nickname.
Personaly I hope we do G walker (not really keen for another Sarkhan I just want their to be more mono-green walkers since all we got atm is Nissa) and U Narset. That way I'd feel better about Sorin being BW...again.
EDIT:
Also I dout Ramaz will be in the set. Only tie he has is he played a URG deck in DotP and that doesn't mean anything. Nissa was BG deck when we first met her.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
So, if Chianul thought he was gonna meet Sarkhan, and he knew about the alternate timeline, could it be that he was muddling the timelines in his visions? So, the "needed to meet Sarkhan" is only true now, after FRF. So he could show up as a Legendary character perhaps, and he may be helping Sarkhan sort out his mess in DTK.
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Sarkhan is whom he has always been, a memory of himself happened in the multiverse but in Tarkir he never was, until he gets backlashed back in time.
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But if we assume that fifth-dimensional travel is impossible and that temporal events are unchangeable, well... then absolutely nothing makes any sense at all.
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Actually, we were told that dragons wasn't a wedge set. That doesn't mean there won't be any wedge cards...
But he also said this:
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I would eat my hat if he is not Temur colored . There blue streak is so prominent, he is supposed to be sane now (blue being the color of knowledge, sanity, clarity), even his attire looks Temur-ish. And he has a common history with Temur in the Khan-Tarkir, and with Yasova in the Old Tarkir...
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In any case, I don't think that a single wedge-colored planeswalker card at Mythic rarity would in any way disqualify DTK from "not being a wedge set". I'm just not so sure that Sarkhan is going to be that wedge-colored planeswalker (more because the storyline side of me doesn't really think it makes a ton of sense for Sarkhan to just come back willy-nilly as planeswalker who's just a little different from before). If Ugin does some spirit-dragon-y magic to pull Sarkhan from the lost time stream and reconstitute him in the current reality, that'd make a bit more sense -- and that may be what happens, seeing has Ugin seems to have a special connection to Sarkhan and that they've never actually had a proper interaction. If nothing else, they need to do something new with Sarkhan, whether it's making him into a new planeswalker or a legendary creature that gets him to have an actual conversation with Ugin and find out what the heck happened and how Ugin was reaching out to Sarkhan across time and death.
I guess the simplest way to make this ruling work is to have the new Sarkhan not say "Planeswalker - Sarkhan" and instead give him a new name in that line. That way you can have only one of the new one, and an existing one at the same time.
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I could see a few cards like Shaman of the Great Hunt or Mardu Runemark.
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On topic, I believe there will be some form of Sarkhan in DTK and I wouldn't be surprised to see him as RUG but when someone undergoes that much change... Any combination of R U G is possible. I welcome the thought of a Planeswalker in one of my favorite Wedges though.
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Except there were people moaning that Worldwake was "too much multicolor" when all it had was Wrexial, Novablast Wurm, the manlands, and the Loam Lion cycle as the only remotely multicolored cards in the set. I'm pretty sure those same people raised a stink when Sarkhan the Mad was spoiled as the only multicolored card in Rise of the Eldrazi, as well.
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