Well this will be a tough product to purchase at this point. I can imagine some stores charging $100+ on it. I'm hoping for Angel of Finality or Angel of the Dire Hour as a possibility for 4-5. EDH angels with no foil printing!
How much do people think that Iona is gonna end up costing? I want one for my gifts deck (which means I'll need a foil Elesh Norn/terrastadon too!)
That entirely depends on what is still in this product. If we assume that everything that is left is just filler crud... I would say we are looking at a $70.00 low end product just given the values of the current confirmed cards plus the fact that we have several good new arts.
If we get much of anything else good I think we can expect prices to be at $100.00 for this but it would surprise me if it really went beyond that. I sort of feel like its going to end up in the $80-$120 range just given how wizards has made these products in the past.
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How much do people think that Iona is gonna end up costing? I want one for my gifts deck (which means I'll need a foil Elesh Norn/terrastadon too!)
That entirely depends on what is still in this product. If we assume that everything that is left is just filler crud... I would say we are looking at a $70.00 low end product just given the values of the current confirmed cards plus the fact that we have several good new arts.
If we get much of anything else good I think we can expect prices to be at $100.00 for this but it would surprise me if it really went beyond that. I sort of feel like its going to end up in the $80-$120 range just given how wizards has made these products in the past.
Idk, foil Avacyn right now is already $100. Her inclusion will beef this up for sure.
Idk, foil Avacyn right now is already $100. Her inclusion will beef this up for sure.
FTV foils generally go for about the price of a non foil print. The FTV foils are almost never more than a non foil original.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor FTV20 goes for $10 or so less than the original in most cases as an example. These things are almost never the price of a non foil copy.
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I have officially moved to MTGNexus. I just wanted to let people know as my response time to salvation decks being bumped is very hit or miss.
How much do people think that Iona is gonna end up costing? I want one for my gifts deck (which means I'll need a foil Elesh Norn/terrastadon too!)
That entirely depends on what is still in this product. If we assume that everything that is left is just filler crud... I would say we are looking at a $70.00 low end product just given the values of the current confirmed cards plus the fact that we have several good new arts.
If we get much of anything else good I think we can expect prices to be at $100.00 for this but it would surprise me if it really went beyond that. I sort of feel like its going to end up in the $80-$120 range just given how wizards has made these products in the past.
Idk, foil Avacyn right now is already $100. Her inclusion will beef this up for sure.
Traditionally, FTV foils are typically pegged close to original printing nonfoils. There's nothing special about these foils - it's not a 1-in-6-packs kind of thing - they're guaranteed. So look for that to guess pricing. Alt-arts sometimes add a slight premium, but nothing close to a multiplier. Look for FTV Avacyn to hit closer to $30 than $100 - and by that I mean probably $35, to start.
That said, Avacyn is a very popular card, so her inclusion in any playable form is great for the prospects of this set.
Edit: @Bathickey - Terastodon is one of the most-foiled cards in recent memory. You should probably have accidentally acquired one without noticing it. If you haven't, they're about a dollar. Elesh Norn, you're on your own.
I like your list, and it seems reasonable. However I really hope they can fit in Sigarda, Host of Herons! Get rid of Fallen Angel, it really doesn't fit despite being an Angel, it's unusual and in no way archetypal of Angels. I'd also like something like Entreat the Angels... maybe get rid of Serra Angel (I'm sure it'll be in just because it's iconic, but it's really quite a useless card to reprint at this point, there are already like 20 printings, including an average of more than 1 printing per year every year for the past 6 years) or Twilight Shepherd?
As much as you and I know Serra Angel "sucks", it's perhaps the second most iconic Magic card after Black Lotus. Odds are it's in there. Plus I'm keeping my hopes up for original Alpha art foil, or some new Serra art. Twilight Shepherd is mentioned because the announcement artwork almost assuredly is that card. There may be one or two other cards it could be, but they are a stretch when compared to Twilight Shepherd.
My spec list is just creatures, and you know I'm with you with the hope some non-creature Angel flavor cards are included. Angelic Destiny, Entreat the Angels, and other such cards would be crazy good... and I don't think we're going to get the value of FTV: Relics or Exiled again.
Why change Jenara to Iridescent? Because why not! Gotta value shift the product down a peg if we're getting Entreat and Destiny. Still keeping my hopes up but Linvala may realistically be swapped for something stupid like Angel's Grace or sorta value like Maelstrom Archangel.
How I wish we could get these at MSRP. If only there was some rule.
Oh well. I love the new Iona and the new artwork on whatever angel that turns out to be. No doubt I'll love even more things from this set as I admire Angels as one of my favorite creature types. But I'm going to be patient this time. I spent $130 on FTV and I knew people who got lucky and got them at MSRP, which stung pretty bad. It's just exhausting to see stuff like this that people who want to turn a profit taint for genuine fans of the game. But what can I say... Perhaps when the hype settles a little I can get a few singles. I already love my Avacyn and I actually hate the foil of the FTV sets, I only want the new art after all. So let's hope things settle a bit with these and I can get the angels I admire from it with enough of my organs left.
I'd kill for these at MSRP. I would have pre-ordered without knowing a single card in the set given that Angels are my favorite creature type. Cheapest I have found them is $75 bucks.
I'd be willing to bet my house on the unknown promo art being Twilight Shepherd.
I am also hoping that Jenara is in the set and that she has new art. I would LOVE her to have a new art so I could get one for my EDH list.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Totally just browsing to see what might fit between Akroma and Avacyn based on cards I think they would actually consider to reprint. I came up with the following list:
Angel of Despair it has seen play across multiple formats as I know I have seen someone it used as defense vs Show and Tell at one point (I don't know how much of a jank answer that was to be honest). Its a good solid card and it fits the theme plus its not that expensive of a card so packing its not really concerning from wizards perspective. Its only reprint was the first commander product which was severely under printed and several years back now.
Angel of Glory's Rise at one point it was a standard reanimator deck chalked full of humans. I think the probability is low but it did see some play at one point and it would be a chaff option include.
Angel of Jubilation its sort of cool, not too expensive, and has no reprints.
Archangel I think we all assume Serra Angel will be in this product. In my mind, this is trash add #2 right behind Serra Angel.
Archangel of Thune I think its wishful thinking. Its a mythic from a low print set so there is some desirability for a reprint of it. I honestly think the chances of seeing it yet are very small given that we have seen a few big bomb mythics already.
Aurelia, the Warleader her price isnt so bad and there would be a demand for nice foils.
In my mind, I honestly have to make the random guess that we are looking at Angel of Despair / Archangel in those remaining two spots. I think any of the ones I mentioned "could" fill those slots as well though. There were other angels as well but I pulled out the ones I felt were the most likely.
I'm still kinda hoping for Luminarch Ascension as one of the cards, which not many people are mentioning. It's a decent win-con for turbo-fog decks, and would be a nice choice for a decent non-creature card related to angels and non-aura enchantment, especially since they reprinted Sigil of the Empty Throne in Origins and Angelic Accord isn't that great and was just an uncommon, so doesn't have _any_ price pressure on it, nor is iconic enough to justify a fancy new art mode like Serra Angel could. I'd also of course want Angelic Destiny, Moonsilver Spear and Entreat the Angels (or maybe Decree of Justice instead of Entreat, although that was lower rarity and has reprints).
People will pay through the roof for these. I don't like it but that's how it is. People do go gaga over angels. And Wizards has a habit of making a comeback from lacklustre products (like FTV Annihilation).
If we have Akroma's Memorial plus Avacyn's Powerpuff girls I'll be extremely happy. I don't want Basandra, please...
One of my local shops is pre-ordering at $40. I put down my pre-order yesterday. It is a little on the smaller side, so I am not sure they will even go through the 30 they are getting. I might go back for a second one.
I'd still love to see the DvD Luminous Angel in here along with Tariel, Reckoner of Souls. I don't think either of these cards have ever been foiled, this might be as good of a place as any to put them in foil versions.
It's pretty unlikely that I will find these at one of my local game stores at all, much less at MSRP. I see that they are up for pre-order on eBay for only $75. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I am pretty tempted to just snatch one up that way to assure I get my hands on it. Think it'll be worth it ultimately?
It's pretty unlikely that I will find these at one of my local game stores at all, much less at MSRP. I see that they are up for pre-order on eBay for only $75. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I am pretty tempted to just snatch one up that way to assure I get my hands on it. Think it'll be worth it ultimately?
Paying the online going rate is really only worth it if you are a collector. If you are looking to own an extra copy of Avacyn like me then there is no reason to buy this product outside of finding it for MSRP. Order the singles once its out assuming you cant find it at MSRP because the online going price is often the cost of buying every single which its very unlikely that you need a copy of everything from these products.
I've already pre-ordered one and I'm considering a second. Although that's coming from a guy that collects foil angels and has an Angel based Kaalia EDH deck.
I'm still kinda hoping for Luminarch Ascension as one of the cards, which not many people are mentioning. It's a decent win-con for turbo-fog decks, and would be a nice choice for a decent non-creature card related to angels and non-aura enchantment, especially since they reprinted Sigil of the Empty Throne in Origins and Angelic Accord isn't that great and was just an uncommon, so doesn't have _any_ price pressure on it, nor is iconic enough to justify a fancy new art mode like Serra Angel could. I'd also of course want Angelic Destiny, Moonsilver Spear and Entreat the Angels (or maybe Decree of Justice instead of Entreat, although that was lower rarity and has reprints).
I honestly don't want any noncreature spells except for possibly Entreat the Angels. There are just so many good angels that they could reprint and it would be a shame for them not to get in.
Commander Decks:
WRadiant, ArchangelW
WBRKaalia of the VastWBR
GUPrime Speaker ZeganaGU
WUBZur the EnchanterWUB
WUBSydri, Galvanic GeniusWUB
BGSkullbriar, the Walking GraveBG
WBTeysa, Envoy of GhostsWB
BIname, Death AspectB
GFreyalise, Llanowar's FuryG
WGSigarda, Host of HeronsWG
WURNarset, Enlightened MasterWUR
That entirely depends on what is still in this product. If we assume that everything that is left is just filler crud... I would say we are looking at a $70.00 low end product just given the values of the current confirmed cards plus the fact that we have several good new arts.
If we get much of anything else good I think we can expect prices to be at $100.00 for this but it would surprise me if it really went beyond that. I sort of feel like its going to end up in the $80-$120 range just given how wizards has made these products in the past.
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I also hope the last new art goes to Radiant, Archangel. And that if there needs to be an angel of each color, the remaining 3 are Iridescent Angel, Desolation Angel and Sigarda, Host of Herons.
Good choices. Unfortunately Radiant is reserved. That card is so cool too.
Feel free to tell me yours!
Idk, foil Avacyn right now is already $100. Her inclusion will beef this up for sure.
FTV foils generally go for about the price of a non foil print. The FTV foils are almost never more than a non foil original.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor FTV20 goes for $10 or so less than the original in most cases as an example. These things are almost never the price of a non foil copy.
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Traditionally, FTV foils are typically pegged close to original printing nonfoils. There's nothing special about these foils - it's not a 1-in-6-packs kind of thing - they're guaranteed. So look for that to guess pricing. Alt-arts sometimes add a slight premium, but nothing close to a multiplier. Look for FTV Avacyn to hit closer to $30 than $100 - and by that I mean probably $35, to start.
That said, Avacyn is a very popular card, so her inclusion in any playable form is great for the prospects of this set.
Edit: @Bathickey - Terastodon is one of the most-foiled cards in recent memory. You should probably have accidentally acquired one without noticing it. If you haven't, they're about a dollar. Elesh Norn, you're on your own.
As much as you and I know Serra Angel "sucks", it's perhaps the second most iconic Magic card after Black Lotus. Odds are it's in there. Plus I'm keeping my hopes up for original Alpha art foil, or some new Serra art. Twilight Shepherd is mentioned because the announcement artwork almost assuredly is that card. There may be one or two other cards it could be, but they are a stretch when compared to Twilight Shepherd.
My spec list is just creatures, and you know I'm with you with the hope some non-creature Angel flavor cards are included. Angelic Destiny, Entreat the Angels, and other such cards would be crazy good... and I don't think we're going to get the value of FTV: Relics or Exiled again.
Altnerate spec list of mine which allows non-creature cards:
Akroma, Angel of Fury; Akroma, Angel of Wrath; Angel of Despair; Angelic Destiny; Avacyn, Angel of Hope; Baneslayer Angel; Entreat the Angels; Fallen Angel; Iona, Shield of Emeria; Iridescent Angel; Linvala, Keeper of Silence; Platinum Angel; Serra Angel; Twilight Shepherd; Vault of the Archangel.
Why change Jenara to Iridescent? Because why not! Gotta value shift the product down a peg if we're getting Entreat and Destiny. Still keeping my hopes up but Linvala may realistically be swapped for something stupid like Angel's Grace or sorta value like Maelstrom Archangel.
Oh well. I love the new Iona and the new artwork on whatever angel that turns out to be. No doubt I'll love even more things from this set as I admire Angels as one of my favorite creature types. But I'm going to be patient this time. I spent $130 on FTV and I knew people who got lucky and got them at MSRP, which stung pretty bad. It's just exhausting to see stuff like this that people who want to turn a profit taint for genuine fans of the game. But what can I say... Perhaps when the hype settles a little I can get a few singles. I already love my Avacyn and I actually hate the foil of the FTV sets, I only want the new art after all. So let's hope things settle a bit with these and I can get the angels I admire from it with enough of my organs left.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
I'd be willing to bet my house on the unknown promo art being Twilight Shepherd.
I am also hoping that Jenara is in the set and that she has new art. I would LOVE her to have a new art so I could get one for my EDH list.
EDH:
G[cEDH] Selvala, Heart of the StormG
URW[cEDH] Narset, the Last AirmericanURW
GWUSt. Jenara, the ArchangelGWU
UBGrimgrin, Chaos MarineUB
GOmnath, Mana BaronG
URWNarset, Justice League AmericaURW
GWUBAtraxa, Countess of CountersGWUB
GWUEstrid, Enbantress PrimeGWU
Weird.
And that art looks like the original art from a different angle.
Oh well, I'm glad I can finally own a foil Avacyn that I will actually play!
Also guys- don't pay absurd prices for these.
Even FtV:20 was available for $60 eventually.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
RRRAshling, the PilgrimRRR
UUUThadda Adel, AcquisitorUUU
Angel of Glory's Rise still sees some legacy play In the "Oops, all spells" deck http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/1359
If we have Akroma's Memorial plus Avacyn's Powerpuff girls I'll be extremely happy. I don't want Basandra, please...
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Playtesting | Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Narset, Enlightened Master | Ephara, God of the Polis
Established | Gahiji, Honored One | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker | Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo | Rubinia Soulsinger
Retired | Medomai the Ageless | Diaochan, Artful Beauty
Paying the online going rate is really only worth it if you are a collector. If you are looking to own an extra copy of Avacyn like me then there is no reason to buy this product outside of finding it for MSRP. Order the singles once its out assuming you cant find it at MSRP because the online going price is often the cost of buying every single which its very unlikely that you need a copy of everything from these products.
Tariel is a she BTW. The art does sort of look more manly at a glance but if you blow it up its a lot more obvious.
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I guess I must eat my hat. thanks
I honestly don't want any noncreature spells except for possibly Entreat the Angels. There are just so many good angels that they could reprint and it would be a shame for them not to get in.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.